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    is there any proven way to take yourself out of the 14th amendment citizen status?

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    Quote Originally Posted by idotudot View Post
    is there any proven way to take yourself out of the 14th amendment citizen status?
    There are about 30 agreements including the 14th Amendment status you'll need to back out of.
    The 14th Amendment is a political status.

    Once out though, I wouldn't count on the U.S. Constitution at all. Go the natural rights/natural law route.
    The U.S. Constitution is merely a private corporate charter for a corporation titled government of the United States. Signatories to the Constitution are States ..... not people.

    To answer your question, yes, there are a number of ways.
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    Are you out ? If so can you prove it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shikamaru View Post

    To answer your question, yes, there are a number of ways.
    To whom is this question addressed?
    That would be you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    That would be you.
    Exiting out of a political system is something that you prepare for.

    I am not out as of yet. Much ground work has to be laid before one takes the leap.
    It is a radical change in lifestyle.

    It is possible to get out. I know too many people who have done it.

    It begins easy enough with closing accounts along with creating one's official evidentiary.

    One should worry first about all the commercial and insurance contracts their wrapped up in first before tackling 14th Amendment political status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shikamaru View Post

    It is possible to get out. I know too many people who have done it.
    - What form of currency do they use ?

    - How do they avoid taxes at the store counter?

    - Do they receive benefit of a postal service delivering to a house address?

    I ask these questions because it seems quite impossible to " get completely out of the political system ". It might be that getting out is just an illusion, or that we were never in it to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    - What form of currency do they use ?
    Some use gold and silver coin. Others continue to use FRNs.

    Quote Originally Posted by motla68
    How do they avoid taxes at the store counter?
    If you produce your own stuff for your consumption, what tax is there to pay?

    Taxation, in many instances, is assessed against income. Avoid income.
    In many instances, you'll just pay the tax. I, personally, have no objections to this form of taxation.

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    Do they receive benefit of a postal service delivering to a house address?
    This I am not sure. I will have to follow up with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by motla68
    I ask these questions because it seems quite impossible to " get completely out of the political system ". It might be that getting out is just an illusion, or that we were never in it to begin with.
    A very fair statement.

    Avoidance is always a right.
    To attempt to drag you into a forum by coercion and fraud is unjust.

    I would skew towards treating government at "arm's length" at all times.

    I would think they would leave you alone at some point because the administrative and opportunity costs will exceed whatever revenue they could extract from you.

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    There are alot of steps one must take. Un-registaring as a voter, taking over power of attorney of your SSA, copyrighting your strawman. All of these steps are important but I beleive taking this path without knowledge of the commercial law they administer and the law by which you are chosing to live is suicide. You would be better off staying in the system, rather than feeling its unmerciful wrath. I have started by redeeming lawful money with the proper restricted endorsment. This remedy is actualy written into their own laws.

    By the way I'm sure the reason he asked about the postal address and delivery of mail is because some say having your mail delivered to your address and using a zip code puts you under the martial law that the usps operates under and puts under D.C. territoral jurisdiction. Some might argue that the mail box infront of your house is merely just a stop on the route. I do know you can recieve mail by general delivery and pick it up at the post office

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