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[Chex]

Can we get down to brass tacks what FICA is? It is an excise tax, plain and simple.

Where is that written from shikamaru ?

FICA is nothing more than the tax provisions of the Social Security Act, as they appear in the Internal Revenue Code.

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answ...eaning-of-fica

Excise taxes are taxes paid when purchases are made on a specific good, such as gasoline. Excise taxes are often included in the price of the product. There are also excise taxes on activities, such as on wagering or on highway usage by trucks. Excise Tax has several general excise tax programs. One of the major components of the excise program is motor fuel. http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-...yed/Excise-Tax

[Brian]

Can we get down to brass tacks what FICA is? It is an excise tax, plain and simple.

Where is that written from shikamaru ?

FICA is nothing more than the tax provisions of the Social Security Act, as they appear in the Internal Revenue Code.

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answ...eaning-of-fica

Excise taxes are taxes paid when purchases are made on a specific good, such as gasoline. Excise taxes are often included in the price of the product. There are also excise taxes on activities, such as on wagering or on highway usage by trucks. Excise Tax has several general excise tax programs. One of the major components of the excise program is motor fuel. http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-...yed/Excise-Tax

The Social Security "contribution" from wages received by an employee was really not a savings plan, but rather, in the Supreme Court's words, "a special income tax . . . measured by wages:" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvering_v._Davis

The words "measured by" are a tip-off that a government privilege is being extended because those were the same words used to describe the corporate income tax in Flint v. Stone Tracy (1911), where the extent of the government-bestowed corporate privilege is "measured by" the corporation's net income: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_v._Stone_Tracy_Co.

The Social Security tax is two part. 1. A tax on employers for having employees (employer/employee relationship) 2. A "Special income tax" on employees as measured by wages. Half the tax is on the employer and the other half on the employee.

So what makes it so "special"? The court did not say...but the "measured by" part gives a clue.

Also in A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corp. v. U.S., 295 U.S. 495 (1935) Justice Roberts statements essentially lay out the path to government intrusion. "We have held in . . . Schechter Poultry . . . that Congress has no power to regulate wages and hours of labor in a local business. If the [government] is right [in Butler], this very end may be accomplished by appropriating money to be paid to employers from the federal treasury under contracts whereby they agree to comply with certain standards fixed by federal law or by contract."

Using money substitutes other then those emitted directly by the Treasury under their exclusive money powers could certainly in my view be a taxable excised activity.

[David Merrill]

The Social Security "contribution" from wages received by an employee was really not a savings plan, but rather, in the Supreme Court's words, "a special income tax . . . measured by wages:" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvering_v._Davis

The words "measured by" are a tip-off that a government privilege is being extended because those were the same words used to describe the corporate income tax in Flint v. Stone Tracy (1911), where the extent of the government-bestowed corporate privilege is "measured by" the corporation's net income: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_v._Stone_Tracy_Co.

The Social Security tax is two part. 1. A tax on employers for having employees (employer/employee relationship) 2. A "Special income tax" on employees as measured by wages. Half the tax is on the employer and the other half on the employee.

So what makes it so "special"? The court did not say...but the "measured by" part gives a clue.

Also in A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corp. v. U.S., 295 U.S. 495 (1935) Justice Roberts statements essentially lay out the path to government intrusion. "We have held in . . . Schechter Poultry . . . that Congress has no power to regulate wages and hours of labor in a local business. If the [government] is right [in Butler], this very end may be accomplished by appropriating money to be paid to employers from the federal treasury under contracts whereby they agree to comply with certain standards fixed by federal law or by contract."

Using money substitutes other then those emitted directly by the Treasury under their exclusive money powers could certainly in my view be a taxable excised activity.

Great post Brian!

[shikamaru]

Where is that written from shikamaru ?

Here.

Also, how about this?

Helvering v. Davis (1937)

In Steward Machine Co. v. Davis, decided this day, ante, p. 548, we have upheld the validity of Title IX of the act, imposing an excise upon employers of eight or more. In this case, Titles VIII and II are the subject of attack. Title VIII lays another excise upon employers in addition to the one imposed by Title IX (though with different exemptions). It lays a special income tax upon employees to be deducted from their wages and paid by the employers. Title II provides for the payment of Old Age Benefits, and supplies the motive and occasion, in the view of the assailants of the statute, for [p*635] the levy of the taxes imposed by Title VIII. The plan of the two titles will now be summarized more fully.

Title VIII, as we have said, lays two different types of tax, an "income tax on employees" and "an excise tax on employers." The income tax on employees is measured by wages paid during the calendar year. ' 801. The excise tax on the employer is to be paid "with respect to having individuals in his employ," and, like the tax on employees, is measured by wages. ' 804. Neither tax is applicable to certain types of employment, such as agricultural labor, domestic service, service for the national or state governments, and service performed by persons who have attained the age of 65 years. ' 811(b). The two taxes are at the same rate. '' 801, 804. For the years 1937 to 1939, inclusive, the rate for each tax is fixed at one percent. Thereafter the rate increases 1/2 of 1 percent every three years, until, after December 31, 1948, the rate for each tax reaches 3 percent. Ibid. In the computation of wages, all remuneration is to be included except so much as is in excess of $3,000 during the calendar year affected. ' 811(a). The income tax on employees is to be collected by the employer, who is to deduct the amount from the wages "as and when paid." ' 80a(a). He is indemnified against claims and demands of any person by reason of such payment. Ibid. The proceeds of both taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like internal revenue taxes generally, and are not earmarked in any way. ' 807(a). There are penalties for nonpayment. ' 807(c).

If you continue to read that Supreme Court case, you'll see the term excise pop up over and over again.
This is the Supreme Court case that upheld Social Security as constitutional.

[allodial]

Its important to understand that the plenary power of Congress might have over "territories of the United States (all of them not just one of them)" is distinct from the power of the Congress in the States. Also, consider the mailing address on the stub a SS card is attached to. Territory does not necessarily mean physical land it can refer to something more abstract. You could say that regulating coin is "Congress'" territory. If the SS card and account are associated with regulating the balance/weight of currency..then there ya go.

[Chex]

Who gives a flying fish what the tax is ............. its all fiat currency.

As far as I am concerned all of these and I am sure I missed a couple the

Accounts Receivable Tax, ,Building Permit Tax, Capital Gains Tax, CDL license Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Court Fines (indirect taxes), Dog License Tax,Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel permit tax Gasoline Tax Hunting License Tax Inheritance Tax Interest expense Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax) Liquor Tax Local Income Tax Luxury Taxes Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Property Tax Real Estate Tax Septic Permit Tax Service Charge Taxes Social Security Tax Road Usage Taxes (Truckers) Sales Taxes Recreational Vehicle Tax Road Toll Booth Taxes School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA) Telephone federal excise tax Telephone federal universal service fee tax Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax Telephone state and local tax Telephone usage charge tax Toll Bridge Taxes Toll Tunnel Taxes Traffic Fines (indirect taxation) Trailer Registration Tax Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Watercraft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax Inheritance tax, estate tax, and death tax Ad valorem Capital gains tax Carbon tax Carucage Consumption tax Corporate tax Excess profits tax, Windfall profits tax Corvée Custom Danegeld Development Impact Tax Direct tax Duty Excise (e.g. fuel excise, use tax, blank media tax, natural resources consumption tax) FairTax FICA tax Franchise tax Gabel Impost Income Tax Indirect tax Inflation tax Inheritance tax (cf Allodial, Pigovian tax, Estate tax (United States), Inheritance Tax (United Kingdom).) Land value tax Payment in lieu of taxes Payroll tax Poll tax Property tax Sales tax Scutage Seigniorage Sin tax Stamp Duty Subsidy Tallage Tariff Tax Farming Tithe Tobin tax Toll bridge Toll road Toll tunnel Transfer tax Tribute Value added tax Vehicle excise duty Wealth tax Workers Compensation Tax

It is a all a fee for using private credit.

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and only one parent had to work to support the family and North America was a boooooming industrial nation and now look at us all we do is eat and watch tv.

This country is all about getting you to pay taxes coupled with high usury fees for private credit.

Until congress gets their $hit together and starts doing what our constitution says to do and drive the international bankers off this North American Continent it will continue to be a burden laid upon the people who love this country to suffer the consequences daily. I have not seen any proof that the BC gives the state a pledge to our labor to pay for this private credit either.

Congress, on the other hand, has access to unlimited funding without having to tell the voters their taxes are being raised through the process of inflation. If you understand this paragraph, you understand the federal reserve system.

I am concerned we (all of them not just one of them) are toooo laid back. People are broke and their tired of the free rides and dont have a clue why this is happening.

We all need to get into court and file the petition the judge knows why your here, he/she knows this because the judge is protecting the bankruptcy for the family http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=24489 for the Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin, Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris, Israel Moses Sieff, Banks of Italy, Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam Lehman Brothers Bank of New York, Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York Chase Manhattan Bank of New York, Goldman Sachs Bank of New York using the Mandrake Mechanism the entire function of this machine is to convert debt into money. It's just that simple.

According to Black's Law Dictionary, a tax is a "pecuniary burden laid upon individuals or property owners to support the government [...] a payment exacted by legislative authority."

It "is not a voluntary payment or donation, but an enforced contribution, exacted pursuant to legislative authority" and is "any contribution imposed by government [...] whether under the name of toll, tribute, tallage, gabel, impost, duty, custom, excise, subsidy, aid, supply, or other name.

When the federal reserve bank seeks to expand its influence in new areas it must find some basis in the Constitution to justify its action.

Obviously, Constitutionality of Social Security Act: http://www.ssa.gov/history/court.html

[allodial]

Money/credit tends to be private in source. In the realm of practicality, it probably morseo comes down to whether you are a source or not.

[shikamaru]

.... had absolutely no national debt, ....

Not true. In all the years of existence of the political corporation titled government of the United States, it had only one year it was out of debt (1834 - 35).

All the other years, it was in debt. In fact, that was one of its primary purposes of formation: to hold the war debts of the States.

It really began to take off after the Civil War.
You could say it, government of the United States, was a holding company.

You could say that the benefits offered by the political corporation is a way to attract constitutors .......

[allodial]

Not true. In all the years of existence of the political corporation titled government of the United States, it had only one year it was out of debt (1834 - 35).

All the other years, it was in debt. In fact, that was one of its primary purposes of formation: to hold the war debts of the States.

It really began to take off after the Civil War.
You could say it, government of the United States, was a holding company.

You could say that the benefits offered by the political corporation is a way to attract constitutors .......

Its called "prosecution of war" (ala U.S. Department of Justice).

[David Merrill]

Its called "prosecution of war" (ala U.S. Department of Justice).

The departure from justice?


The Constitution is suspended in the actual theater of war.



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