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  1. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Publius commented:




    We have plenty of evidence but there is an element that prevents enough details for a proof over cyberspace. A comprehensive evidence package is not available. There are suitors who are tax preparers and even bankers/licensed tax preparers but they like to filter their experiences sanitized, even with other suitors. If a suitor broadcasts details, fine; that is why we call it a brain trust. We trust each other. If a suitor sends something interesting to me though, I will sanitize it and broadcast it with my commentary. If it is a success story about the IRS though, I will send the sanitized rendition and comment back to the suitor alone for approval before I broadcast it to the brain trust.

    We do not have a lot of sanitized success stories because I just do not bother with the sanitizing process unless a better example comes along and since they are sanitized, they cannot be verified and you will just have to believe me... So it gets so no better success stories come along until somebody is willing to give their address and SSN over the Internet.

    One of my favorites is this one where NY (METRO's Finest) pondered the state tax return carefully enough to add on the $125 School Tax Credit but did not flag that there are thousands of $$$ of withholdings on zero taxable income!





    If you want to look at those figures awhile, you might be able to convince yourself I am not lying.

    However on Quatloos I am moderated and forbidden to show examples like this because, If you are going to show examples boasting that you can break the law, they have to be verifiable!

    I worked carefully with the suitor and have shown you exactly what he is comfortable with me showing you.
    This is helpful.

    On the other hand, Pete Hendrickson has lots of refunds posted on his site.

    From what I understand, many times refunds are given, but many times years later the IRS takes actions against the person.

    I know one such person personally whose success appeared on Pete's site -- he wound up filing conventionally rather than deal with the repercussions.

    Can you give us an idea of approximately how many people have applied this remedy, for how long, and what is the degree of adverse consequences, if any, experienced by those people?
    Last edited by freedave; 02-05-12 at 02:59 AM.

  2. #112
    Notes to two people follow:

    Note to David Merrill, In regard to your post #108, Thank you for posting that document. I do believe I had seen it elsewhere on the site.

    Also, I offer my appologize to you if you felt that I was challenging the veracity of any claim you had made or evidence you had proffered relative to the claims of others. Your use of the word "lying" disturbed me. It is because of your presentations on the sui juris site and the occasional poor behavior of others on that site in response to your writings that I participate in this forum. I respect your opinions and value the extraordinary efforts you have made to provide us information and evidence that we may consider in arriving at our own decisions. Thank you for trusting us, essentially anonymous people, to know your thoughts and share in your discoveries. We are enriched by one anothers' sharing.

    My calling for evidence was not a challenge to flush out liars, it was just a call for those who are holding bricks to came forth and offer them for us all to use to build a strong house. I believe that the very existence of this site and its sustained use indicates that not one of us can solve the challenges alone and that the concept and function of a brain trust, brain bank, brainstorming is fundamental to our success. Whether one labels it as a brotherhood or just a bunch of independents hollering into the valley doesn't really matter. The important matter is that we share what we find when it is known to us, by our best ability to determine, that it is truthful. Each is at his own risk to decides what he will depend on.

    Note to Freedave, Regarding post#109; I have heard the name Winston Shrout but I know nothing more about him. I am aware of but have not studied Tim Turner's program either.
    I have been using the "Deposited for credit on account or exchanged for non-negotiable FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES of face value" for three or more years. I have used it since whenever it was that I first became aware of it by way of D.M.'s posts elsewhere. And now I am close to changing what I stamp because of the refinements I have found on this site.

    Regarding your post #110, If one can posture themselves so to not interact with the taxing entitles, I think is far superior to giving them something and then looking for a way to get it back. That "they" seem to be able to do, or simply go ahead and do, whatever they wish, makes them so corrupt that one cannot comfortably act in good faith with them. My father lost a nice home to "them" despite an excellent attempt at defense. I witnessed their lying and denial of good sound defenses. Their actions are plain old theft.

    And, yes, it could seem as if some process "worked" now, only to find in a year or some years later that "they" then consider the relied upon process as improper, frivilous, protest. . . (and any other of the many villainizing prejudices they apply) and they move against you in a big way. Anything and all things which are connected with an SSN are at risk, whether you play by the rules or not (my belief). It is the SSN and all the regulations adherent to its use which entangle us in their revenue farming process. Best to stay off the farm if you don't wan't to be milked and brought to slaughter. or some, that means a great change in lifestyle. The outcome of their occupation of our halls of govermnent, institution of banking and schools is that America has become, functionally, a conquered nation.

    So, do we recognize an enemy and attempt to fight, or do we recognize an enemy and lick its boots in the hopes of staying in its good graces ?
    One's conscience and concern for our future generations might be the brightest guiding light. The cost of the fight, for many, outweighs any cost they might have coughed up to "them" in voluntary compliance. So, it must be that a greater prize is sought by those involved.

    The occasional back bighting and bickering disturbs me. It is destructive beyond the intended target. I am pleased to have seen little of that on this site.

  3. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    Notes to two people follow:

    Note to David Merrill, In regard to your post #108, Thank you for posting that document. I do believe I had seen it elsewhere on the site.

    Also, I offer my appologize to you if you felt that I was challenging the veracity of any claim you had made or evidence you had proffered relative to the claims of others. Your use of the word "lying" disturbed me. It is because of your presentations on the sui juris site and the occasional poor behavior of others on that site in response to your writings that I participate in this forum. I respect your opinions and value the extraordinary efforts you have made to provide us information and evidence that we may consider in arriving at our own decisions. Thank you for trusting us, essentially anonymous people, to know your thoughts and share in your discoveries. We are enriched by one anothers' sharing.

    My calling for evidence was not a challenge to flush out liars, it was just a call for those who are holding bricks to came forth and offer them for us all to use to build a strong house. I believe that the very existence of this site and its sustained use indicates that not one of us can solve the challenges alone and that the concept and function of a brain trust, brain bank, brainstorming is fundamental to our success. Whether one labels it as a brotherhood or just a bunch of independents hollering into the valley doesn't really matter. The important matter is that we share what we find when it is known to us, by our best ability to determine, that it is truthful. Each is at his own risk to decides what he will depend on.

    Note to Freedave, Regarding post#109; I have heard the name Winston Shrout but I know nothing more about him. I am aware of but have not studied Tim Turner's program either.
    I have been using the "Deposited for credit on account or exchanged for non-negotiable FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES of face value" for three or more years. I have used it since whenever it was that I first became aware of it by way of D.M.'s posts elsewhere. And now I am close to changing what I stamp because of the refinements I have found on this site.

    Regarding your post #110, If one can posture themselves so to not interact with the taxing entitles, I think is far superior to giving them something and then looking for a way to get it back. That "they" seem to be able to do, or simply go ahead and do, whatever they wish, makes them so corrupt that one cannot comfortably act in good faith with them. My father lost a nice home to "them" despite an excellent attempt at defense. I witnessed their lying and denial of good sound defenses. Their actions are plain old theft.

    And, yes, it could seem as if some process "worked" now, only to find in a year or some years later that "they" then consider the relied upon process as improper, frivilous, protest. . . (and any other of the many villainizing prejudices they apply) and they move against you in a big way. Anything and all things which are connected with an SSN are at risk, whether you play by the rules or not (my belief). It is the SSN and all the regulations adherent to its use which entangle us in their revenue farming process. Best to stay off the farm if you don't wan't to be milked and brought to slaughter. or some, that means a great change in lifestyle. The outcome of their occupation of our halls of govermnent, institution of banking and schools is that America has become, functionally, a conquered nation.

    So, do we recognize an enemy and attempt to fight, or do we recognize an enemy and lick its boots in the hopes of staying in its good graces ?
    One's conscience and concern for our future generations might be the brightest guiding light. The cost of the fight, for many, outweighs any cost they might have coughed up to "them" in voluntary compliance. So, it must be that a greater prize is sought by those involved.

    The occasional back bighting and bickering disturbs me. It is destructive beyond the intended target. I am pleased to have seen little of that on this site.
    Thank you, Publius, for your responses to my posts and for all the very relevant points you made.

    Yes, I agree that posturing oneself so as to not interact with the taxing entitles is a much better way to go.

    Have you encountered any difficulties in using what you have been stamping?

  4. #114
    I guess "lying" is a strong word. I think my sentiment is that you should not readily believe even me. What you should do is just what you are doing. Understand it by doing it. You are very likely to become a success story.

    To reveal how many people would be to reveal other things I don't wish to reveal on a chat room.

  5. #115
    FYI, just for clarification on a side note: the account at the SSA is separate from the account at the IRS. A connection between the SSN and the IRS is made by filing a W4, filing a 1040..things like that. It could be that a "social security account number" and a "social security number" might be different enough to warrant attention to detail.
    Last edited by allodial; 02-06-12 at 09:54 PM.
    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

  6. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    I guess "lying" is a strong word. I think my sentiment is that you should not readily believe even me. What you should do is just what you are doing. Understand it by doing it. You are very likely to become a success story.

    To reveal how many people would be to reveal other things I don't wish to reveal on a chat room.
    OK, how does this look?

    Deposited for credit on account #XXXXXXX
    to be redeemed in lawful money by demand
    USCA12 section 411
    John Doe (signed)

  7. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    FYI, just for clarification on a side note: the account at the SSA is separate from the account at the IRS. A connection between the SSN and the IRS is made by filing a W4, filing a 1040..things like that. It could be that a "social security account number" and a "social security number" might be different enough to warrant attention to detail.
    I was thinking about this the other day.

    The SSN is to identify an account and while it is never to be used for identification purposes the IRS calls it a Taxpayer Identification Number.


    Quote Originally Posted by freedave View Post
    OK, how does this look?

    Deposited for credit on account #XXXXXXX
    to be redeemed in lawful money by demand
    USCA12 section 411
    John Doe (signed)
    You are still talking about the check to the broker? I told you I have little experience with that. But it looks like a good demand; like you understand many aspects of paychecks that have been pointed out on this site.

  8. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    The SSN is to identify an account and while it is never to be used for identification purposes the IRS calls it a Taxpayer Identification Number.
    Yep. AFAIK the IRS does not 'see' "social security accounts numbers" they 'see' "tax ID numbers". My study of the IRS specifications for e-filing or the like revealed lack of any computational distinction between an "EIN" or an "SSN" entered on a form or into a database. Since a year or two such may have changed for some reason or another. The IRS, a bureau of the U.S. Department of the Treasury, does appear to maintain some kind of link between the IRS and SSA for verifying whether an SSAN exists. AFAIK, the IRS and the US Department of the Treasury are wholly separate from the U.S. Social Security Administration. While the digits of the SSAN might generally be the same as that of a US tax ID or account # established with the IRS, they are not at all the same accounts and there is no inherent link between the two accounts. The IRS account would likely never, ever exist if a SS-4, 1040, W2 or W4 was never filed.
    Last edited by allodial; 02-07-12 at 01:40 AM.
    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

  9. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    You are still talking about the check to the broker? I told you I have little experience with that. But it looks like a good demand; like you understand many aspects of paychecks that have been pointed out on this site.
    Yes, I am still talking about the check to the brokerage firm.

    Thank you, David, for your validation of my demand -- I think I may use it.
    Last edited by freedave; 02-08-12 at 03:13 AM.

  10. #120
    Is the validity of this remedy supported by anything more than the one sentence from the statute?

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