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    Noah
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    COINS - the other lawful money

    I imagine we're all in agreement here that U.S. coins are lawful money. They don't say "Federal Reserve" on them. But coins don't get much attention these days. Probably because of their low face value, and that the coins issued for circulation are intrinsically about worthless. Coinflation has a United States Circulating Coinage Intrinsic Value Table showing that, in terms of metal, circulating coinage contains as little as 6.64% of its face value (the dollar coin).

    While I do collect coins, I don't bother much with those circulating copper sandwich "clads" or slugs. I prefer the silver and gold coins.

    And while I do redeem checks into lawful money (thank you David Merrill), both cash and circulating coinage suffer loss along with FRNs from something known as INFLATION. It's becoming widely known that the official BLS inflation numbers (CPI) are bogus. John Williams of ShadowStats shows that using the government's own 1980 formula, the inflation rate last year was 10.7 percent. And with all the recent borrowing & printing, I dare say that's likely to get worse, possibly even reaching hyperinflation levels.

    And here is Ron Paul on 2/29 telling Bernanke he's destroyed the value of paper money:
    http://survivalandprosperity.com/201...f-paper-money/

    "I have a silver ounce here," said Paul, holding up a silver coin. "This ounce of silver back in 2006 would buy over four gallons of gasoline. Today it'll buy almost eleven gallons of gasoline. That's preservation of value." Paul added that inflation amounted to "stealing wealth". "If you loaned me a hundred Dollars and two years from now I gave you ninety back you'd be pretty upset," Paul told Bernanke. "It's theft. If I don't give you your full hundred dollars back...I'm stealing ten dollars from you. Somebody's stealing wealth, and this is very upsetting."

    Americans on fixed incomes, Paul said, are "really hurting" as a result of rising prices. "Their inflation rate is very much higher than the government tries to tell them," he said. "This argument that prices are going up about 2%, nobody believes it." Silver, Paul said, "is what the market has always said should be money", rather than so-called fiat currencies such as the Dollar. "What you've done in the last six years is destroy the value of paper money," Paul told Bernanke. "At the same time real money is preserved."

    Paul has long advocated precious metals playing a role in the monetary system, having served on the US Gold Commission which reported in 1982. His minority report arguing for a return to gold was later published as The Case for Gold.

    In questioning Bernanke this week, Paul went on to ask whether the government should allow different currencies "to run parallel" in the United States. "They do around the world...Why wouldn't we legalize competing currencies?" asked Paul. "Why can't people put this in a mattress?" he asked, holding up a silver coin, "and get four, five times as much of the value in a few years?"

    "Nobody prevents you from holding silver or gold if you want to," Bernanke replied. "It's perfectly legal to do that. It's also perfectly fine to hold other currencies."

    Paul however replied that this is "nothing near real money", since there are hurdles to the ownership of silver coins. "That's not money when you pay taxes to buy a coin or you have capital gains tax," Paul said. "If you have to settle a lawsuit it's always settled in depreciating Federal Reserve notes, it's never settled in the real contract."
    U.S. silver & gold coins of 90% or more fineness, don't suffer this inflation loss. These coins were our nation's first money, Constitutional money. Furthermore they meet the full definition of money - a medium of exchange AND a store of value. That's why I consider them real money. Although that should be qualified - as long as you're trading with someone recognizing the FULL metal value of the coin, not the face value.
    Last edited by Noah; 03-02-12 at 09:02 PM.

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