Just out of curiosity among those that are still lurking the forum - is anyone filing? If so, can you outline how you've gone about it (assuming of course that we're not talking about a standard 'sheep' return where you operate under the presumption of full liability).
Sabo,Originally Posted by Sabo
I have not filed since 2008. I filed 2004-8 with a CTC zero return, corrected forms, 4852, etc. Since my wife is now being robbed of over half her income, I am no sure how I am going to file for 2009 - 11. I suspect I still need to rebut the information returns. But, then again, the Agency sees me as an "employee" working for "wages" for an "employer" and anything I say that doesn't coincide with that seems to be met with all the Friv and nonsense penalties they can come up with. My wife and I have filed for those years jointly and they have come after her using her former married last name and not her present. I don't know how that happened, but it sure is confusing. Still not sure how we will approach unfiled years. I know that we will start applying the Suitors remedy when the next paychecks come around. Hopefully that will start something new.
I suspect ... well I won't say what I suspect. I think it's becoming fairly obvious. Anyway, guys I've got just the form for you. It's been somewhat hidden but very popular this year - Form 4G0N.
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Last edited by David Merrill; 04-05-12 at 01:51 AM.
You've been saying that a lot lately. Unfortunately, there's no strong evidence from any credible source that suggests that.
Inaction is probably not the best thing to do, so I'm asking what people are doing (as far as filing is concerned). That way, if nothing like what you've been suggesting happens (which is where I'm hedging my bets, to be perfectly honest with you), I don't continue to be in the bad situation that I'm already in.
..anyway, more constructive feedback from others would be greatly appreciated. shikamaru? Treefarmer? freedave? (I don't remember which ones have been able to avoid the gaze of the IRS' All-Seeing Eye..)
IMHO, inaction is definitely not the way to go, as it will only delay the fight and may make it nastier when it does arrive.
DH and I have been fighting it out with the IRS for about two years now, and we have learned that the IRS plays totally unpredictable and irrational for the most part, but they can make sense if they want to. That's a big IF though.
IF they have any kind of a policy, they are not letting on.
We filed HENDRICKSON style for 5 years, but they only took offense at three of those years. One of them was 2009, the year after the big housing crash (we were in the construction business) and we only had one W-2 form that year and it was for under $4,000.00. We file married, jointly, and if we had filed conventionally for '09 we would have gotten all FICA and Medicare withholdings back, plus EIC. But to be consistent with previous years and because we didn't know any better, we filed HENDRICKSON style.
The IRS sent us a refund check and then informed us that we took a "frivolous" stance and if we didn't submit a non-frivolous return they would fine us 2 times $5,000.00.
I refused 4 cause and then submitted 2 more versions of form 1040 EZ for '09, one in zero income style claiming lawful money, and one conventional filing claiming EIC. I wrote a cover letter asking them to choose whichever version they liked better.
That was about 9 months ago and we've not heard back from them about this yet.
We built our LoR around years '07 and '08. For those years we had initially hired a CPA to do our taxes, back when we had an LLC. The CPA had obviously screwed up, so I had taken matters into my own hands and filed 1040X forms HENDRICKSON style. First we got full refunds and about a year later $20,000.00 worth of "frivolous" penalties, at which point we R4C'd and filed the LoR.
Then they sent us tax bills for those years, which mutated over the course of some correspondence and R4C and got smaller. At no point did the IRS's tax bills resemble the numbers which the CPA had figured, nor did they resemble any amount I could have figured out by any method that I'm aware of. The frivolous penalty appears to have got cut in half, according to some fairly recent bill which we R4C'd.
I recently sent the IRS a NOTICE of REVOCATION, apologizing for my ignorant and "frivolous" filings and REVOKING them. I have not heard back about that either.
I have filed a 1040EZ for 2011, where we only had one W-2 for under $4,000.00 again, as well as a full record of lawful money redemption. I wrote a cover letter informing the IRS of our demand for lawful money and I included a copy of a non-endorsed paycheck, front and back. I wrote "EIC" on line 8a and asked them to figure the EIC, if applicable.
This week I got a letter from them informing me that they "corrected a mistake" on my 1040EZ, that is they calculated the EIC for me. It resulted in a refund for us, which they kept, as payment for the taxes which they figured we still owed for '07.
Apparently they considered the amount from the W-2 to be taxable "income", lawful money demand not withstanding.
We have learned this:
1) The IRS only seems interested in "income", whatever that may be, if it is reported to them by a "PAYER" or "EMPLOYER" on some form of theirs, like W-2 or 1099.
2) So far in their dealings with us they have avoided sending us any correspondence which could be construed as being their "official position" on the demand for lawful money redemption. They appear to obfuscate this matter intentionally.
3) Dealing in Lawful Money in the form of cash (FRNs) is a good and honest way to do business.
$) We still don't have a clue what "income" is.
While this is all completely anecdotal, I hope that it will help some people here in their decision making process.
Shalom
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I suggest you pay the taxes you owe. I haven't filed since Tax Year 2008. I make lawful money not "gross income."
Sure, but I've only started redeeming Lawful Money this year. It's last year most of us have to deal with.
Are you attempting to purport that anything I made prior to that is unequivocally taxable? I feel that may be a bit short-sighted and misleading.
Besides, even if you are making Lawful Money, do you work for a place of business that pays you on a weekly/bi-weekly basis? Is it via 1099 or do you get a 1040 that you ignore or rebut? Maybe you've explained your remuneration situation in other threads, but I'm just trying to get a sense of where else our situations differ. I'm certain we aren't in the same working situation, so please understand that not everyone can instantly do exactly as you have at this very moment.
I have been pretty busy lately and involved in a wonderful conversation on the brain trust about Grantor's Right of Novation. Sabo, you simply calculate from the first paycheck that you consistently started redeeming lawful money. We have a suitor who is working through how to calculate redemption of lawful money on the 1099 Form, apparently it is a little more difficult that we have examples here for the 1040 Form.
I only started redeeming Lawful Money this year.
I thought I would have to wait until next year to make anything known about my Lawful Money redemption?
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