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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by walter View Post
    sorry, i am out of time to review "this paper"
    will check it out when i get back,

    but if you check my last post on the "A Brief History on Birth certificates" thread,
    i think it will answer your question,

    should be back around monday or so,

    yee haa
    of hunting moose for a week,
    happy trails campers,


    Thank you Walter. I hope you have a clean kill and a freezer-full!

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Thank you Walter. I hope you have a clean kill and a freezer-full!
    I certainly hope the Moose did not get Walter.

  3. #83
    Me too! Walter?

    Could somebody please PM Mr. MOOSE?

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Me too! Walter?

    Could somebody please PM Mr. MOOSE?
    Mr. Moose claims he has not seen Mr. Walter.

    Mr. Moose has reserved all unalienable rights and refuses to consent to a search of his freezer.

    Hopefully Mr. Walter will return and finish this discussion.

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    No moose got me yet.
    And I hope they never do.
    What part do you want to discuss LearnTheLaw?
    Who would have thought that a NAME could get so complicated in red tap?

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by walter View Post
    No moose got me yet.
    And I hope they never do.
    What part do you want to discuss LearnTheLaw?
    Who would have thought that a NAME could get so complicated in red tap?
    Glad to hear that you're not hanging out in some moose's freezer, can't say the same for the moose though...LOL

    I was curious about the answers to the questions below when I posted earlier [still am if you can].

    the holder (government) refuses (can not by mandate) to give it (original solb) to us when requested,

    i will put this to the test soon this winter when i have more time,




    But then I re-read your post and I saw this

    but if you check my last post on the "A Brief History on Birth certificates" thread,
    i think it will answer your question,


    so off I go to read that thread.

    Thanks

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Thanks! I was trying to fit it into Certificate of Live Birth (COLB).


    P.S. Can you please describe where the COLB/SOLB is tied into a Torrens - based system of registration and publication? I am also supposing that this paper describes the Torrens system fairly accurately.

    I tried the link, but it doesn't seem to be working

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    Quote Originally Posted by LearnTheLaw View Post

    I was curious about the answers to the questions below when I posted earlier [still am if you can].

    the holder (government) refuses (can not by mandate) to give it (original solb) to us when requested,

    i will put this to the test soon this winter when i have more time,

    Only originals can be recorded.
    That's why a cop will never give you the original ticket to you when you ask for it, he gives you a carbon copy.

    Same as courts. They only record original documents.

    The SOLB is ON file. Not IN file.

    One mandate of vital stats agents is to file and secure the originals.
    So they can only issue and delivery certified copies.

    The SOLB is a "certified true copy of a registration document".

    The BC is a "certified extract from the registration of birth".

    So with out the registration document (SOLB) there can be no BC.

    Do you see why they can never give you the original SOLB?

    It is the foundation document. All government documents like the BC, DL, passport, etc is built on the SOLB foundation.
    If the foundation is removed the house falls down.

    The SOLB is not a registration of the NAME or PERSON. It is a registration of the event of the birth.

    It is the closest document we have that can be used to identify our body's deed.
    It is the closest document we have that says we are alive.

    BUT have we claimed it as such?

    On New Year day I remember that the tv would always show the movie Ben Hur.
    Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ is an 1880 novel by American general and author Lew Wallace.

    What sticks in my head is the 1959 version when Charlton Heston is going to commit suicide but first frees his slaves.
    He has them all lined up and one after the other they come to him and he hands each one a scroll of paper and says "your free".

    What did he hand them that can do that?

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by walter View Post
    The SOLB is not a registration of the NAME or PERSON. It is a registration of the event of the birth.
    It doesn't even really register the event of the birth.
    It is the date the registration was made which may be different than one's true date of birth.

    To register, according to William Thornton, is to bring something foreign into a jurisdiction.
    If someone or something is internal to the jurisdiction, enrollment is what is requested.

    Furthermore, no one alive knows their date of birth. Only third parties could testify to such an event.
    When you give a data of birth, you are giving a confession or declaration, not first hand knowledge.
    Last edited by shikamaru; 12-30-12 at 10:09 PM.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by shikamaru View Post
    It doesn't even really register the event of the birth.
    It is the date the registration was made which may be different than one's true date of birth.

    To register, according to William Thornton, is to bring something foreign into a jurisdiction.
    If someone or something is internal to the jurisdiction, enrollment is what is requested.

    Furthermore, no one alive knows their date of birth. Only third parties could testify to such an event.
    When you give a data of birth, you are giving a confession or declaration, not first hand knowledge.
    Interesting application of a mental model.

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