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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick Burrell View Post
    Tree farmer.

    I would more concern on if you have the water rights to your property, if you own it or if the landlord does if you rent.

    I have been reading, that in many places across the US they are putting meters on peoples wells and even going so far as to criminalize the catching and using of rain water. If you can believe that. Sorry no links but if required I can find them. I would just play it on the down low, perhaps they will never be aware of your spring. fB
    I'm scanning and sanitizing all my documents and will probably make a new thread for that study.
    I bought land with cash years ago and have been living on it ever since (15 years now).
    In the buying process I believe I got attorned somehow.
    Not sure what the water rights are.
    I'm planning a trip to the County Records office to poke around and see what I can find.

    Buying this land way out in the woods was part of my quest for freedom, which I've been seeking most of my life.
    It's been a rewarding battle, and the fight continues.

    I'll link to the docs as soon as I've got the uploaded (not sure where yet).

    Thank you for your interest.
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    That is the sort of sharing that really makes StSC a wonderful place to visit for a good read; a place to learn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Treefarmer View Post
    Yes, springs turn into creeks (streams), which flow into rivers, which eventually flow into the ocean.
    I don't think that the Clean Water Restoration Act in its current form is a problem yet, because it only extends to "navigable waters".
    If the term navigable gets exchanged for "all water anywhere" (except under ground) then even the smallest seep, spring, or water hole would be threatened by oppressive federal government bureaucracies.

    I'm keeping my eyes wide open.
    Thank you David Merrill.

    You are welcome, Treefarmer.


    P.S. I think we can agree with fB in that your usage of your land really establishes the water rights as your property. You hold the highest title and paper, like recordation at the county or even Congress's uniform laws are illusory. The top of this page may be helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treefarmer View Post
    I'm scanning and sanitizing all my documents and will probably make a new thread for that study.
    I bought land with cash years ago and have been living on it ever since (15 years now).
    In the buying process I believe I got attorned somehow.
    Not sure what the water rights are.
    I'm planning a trip to the County Records office to poke around and see what I can find.

    Buying this land way out in the woods was part of my quest for freedom, which I've been seeking most of my life.
    It's been a rewarding battle, and the fight continues.

    I'll link to the docs as soon as I've got the uploaded (not sure where yet).

    Thank you for your interest.
    Sounds great Treefarmer. I bought a place like yours in hawaii about 12 years ago. Nice retreat. Now I'm in thailand on a few acres. Enjoy your solitude. fB

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post

    P.S. I think we can agree with fB in that your usage of your land really establishes the water rights as your property. You hold the highest title and paper, like recordation at the county or even Congress's uniform laws are illusory. The top of this page may be helpful.
    I'm dense when it comes to the legal stuff.
    Would you explain how uniform laws and Uniform Federal Lien Registration Act figure into land and water rights please?

    Thank you in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick Burrell View Post
    Sounds great Treefarmer. I bought a place like yours in hawaii about 12 years ago. Nice retreat. Now I'm in thailand on a few acres. Enjoy your solitude. fB
    Thailand?
    Sounds exotic.
    I have a friend who's a local yoga and fitness instructor, who went there on vacation a couple years ago.
    She brought back photos of herself doing handstands and yoga poses in front of cultural monuments and around some surprised/laughing locals.
    They seemed to like her because she is under 5 feet tall.
    Thailand looked like a nice place in the pictures.

    Do you speak Thai?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treefarmer View Post
    Thailand?
    Sounds exotic.
    I have a friend who's a local yoga and fitness instructor, who went there on vacation a couple years ago.
    She brought back photos of herself doing handstands and yoga poses in front of cultural monuments and around some surprised/laughing locals.
    They seemed to like her because she is under 5 feet tall.
    Thailand looked like a nice place in the pictures.

    Do you speak Thai?

    Nit noi, a little bit. But it is not required and you can get by not speaking the language pretty well, as many Thai speak english.

    Also no property taxes, once you pay the initial tax at purchase. Tax can be paid by purchaser or seller or split. Thailand is a great place with many freedoms we don't have in the US, also lacking in some freedoms, but the day to day life is basically free from government intervention. You can pretty much build what you want, no permits or inspections, from a bamboo hut to a mansion. But it is changing rapidly. One thing that puzzles me is the fact that in almost any town you can buy gold. In the US I understand it is hard to come by. fB

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    Looks like this attempt at water grab is ongoing.
    I just came across this update.

    Tomorrow I'll research this further and try to figure out a way to R4C this power-grab over water rights.
    I welcome any suggestions anyone may have on how I could accomplish this.
    I think anyone who owns some land with any water on it should be interested in this, even if you only have a small well.
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    Federal Register is like "notice" of their "law". I suspect that one can r4c anything published in the Federal Register by simply sending notice to a US District Attorney, filling the R4C at the county or the USDC level, sending notice of the filed R4C to the U.S. Secretary of State. BTW, members of the U.S. Congress take an oath of office..afaik.
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