PCGS & Redeeming Lawful Money

[JohnnyCash]

Hey, I discovered where David's been recently. PCGS has a bunch of forums for collectors, coins & currency mainly. On August 15th a RevDrBlimber started a thread Redeeming Lawful Money where he equates lawful money to only metal & US notes, and that it's impossible to get lawful money anymore. He mentions David and 12 USC 411 and says the law is "anachronistic."

David helpfully steps in on Aug 20th to describe remedy in America. It then becomes clear RevDrBlimber has been swallowing too much of the Quatloser koolaid nearly parroting back quatloosian disinfo (maybe TheMostVeryRevDr is a quatloser). Anyway, most of the collectors are having none of it and the cry for the "ban hammer" is heard. Then yesterday, after 9 pages of talk, the PCGS president steps in to say he's "all for free speech" yet issues a warning that no one should be replying to the thread!

[Brian]

It is interesting to also note a couple trolls appeared on the GLP thread dealing with this subject recently. Went from 80 to 84 pages fairly quickly.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...ge1304915/pg80

[David Merrill]

Thanks Brian and Johnny Cash;


That is one interesting excursion after another!


P.S. Here is the thread that got me banished.

[JohnnyCash]

[shakes head] No doubt there's a network of these trolls/ minions.

As for that coin & currency site, you'd think the collectors there would be a little more receptive. I mean ... the items they collect describe the progression of money in America - from real money to fiat. Collectors of gold/silver coins know that store of wealth is stable or rising, not subject to the ravages of fiat oversupply (silver was up $1.02 Friday, about 3%). They know our nation started out with gold & silver coins as money. Constitutional money. And then paper checks, notes, & securities. A method of transmitting metal money but not money itself; a placeholder, if you will. It's right there on the note "WILL PAY TO THE BEARER ON DEMAND TWENTY DOLLARS" And then culminating in the unbacked Federal Reserve Note. The fraud, the dishonesty, the scam is laid out for all to see.

Makes you wonder if the RevDrBlimber thread was a preemptive strike. "Let us say this lawful money stuff is hogwash before the PCGS folks here get a notion to actually redeem lawful money themselves."

[David Merrill]

First I want to express that I was a little rattled about you linking readers here there. I have no respect for RevDrBlimber and his promoting slurs on American Remedy. But when the members there began behaving like such brats I began to get reckless about my explanations and resorted to the basis in mathematics in the lawful overlay. Meaning I began resorting to the Golden Mean and that is infuriating to the uninitiated mind. Their behavior caused me not to care, in fact to enjoy aggrevating them. I did not expect it to catch up to me here. I am embarrassed about how emotionally I responded there.

What I can say in my defense is that I was expecting the same from such a gathering - that they would comprehend the value of demanding lawful money much more readily.

You might note if you read over there that my presumption that there was no fiat currency in America between 1789 and 1861 was false. Now that is something that turned out logical to that forum! Somebody showed me the Emergency in America actually began with the War of 1812 and showed me an 1815 Treasury Note. Learning that, for me was worth all the agitation! That value ties to both the Original Thirteenth Amendment (1861 for Colorado) and also - 1815 was Delovio v. Boit, an alarmingly revealing expose on Admiralty jurisdiction in America. I receive confirmation that the War of 1812 was mainly to redact the effects of the 1811 proposal Thirteenth Amendment. Notes have always been insurance policies and I enjoy confirmations that the Libel of Review is fundamentally remedy to common law.


P.S. Thank you for getting the symbols back - I missed my ?! [Oops! It's not repaired yet?] I am not sure how many of you realize the talent and work that goes into having such an enjoyable medium to communicate.

[JohnnyCash]

Nice to know you're teachable yet; even at your advanced age. Heh, just kidding; I'm nearly as old as you.

To be fair, there were a few posters there on your side. Silverpop seemed to know what you were talking of. And another wanted you to please tell more. But their voices were drowned out by those in favor of ... well, central banking, in my estimation. I can't help but think it was a coordinated attack against REDEEMING LAWFUL MONEY. I know several quatlosers are coin collectors (Pottapauq for one) so who's to say it wasn't a planned ambush? As Treefarmer points out, the Bad Guys are very good at the COINTELPRO game on the internet and I see several techniques on display there.

Their extreme reaction, culminating in the PCGS president coming downstairs for a stern lecture, tells me something is going on here. Where there's smoke there's fire. It tells me that David is correct on this issue. After all, those of us redeeming lawful money threaten a scam raking in at least a trillion annually.

Can't you just imagine the Federal Reserve bank owners drooling over this 1914 FRN?: http://jesse2012.com/1914FRN_back.jpg (here's the front: http://jesse2012.com/1914FRN_front.jpg )


"A portion of all that farming & industry will be ours without lifting a finger! We have only to hoodwink the Americans into using our new FR notes!!"

[David Merrill]

VK DURHAM got a stir out of me this morning with:

THERE IS A SAFETY NET if anyone is interested. SAFETY NET for the Victims of this Financial Fraud Farce and the American People.

Durham (Intl. Ltd Holding Trust, Tias 12087 is the Duly Constituted, Duly Authorized, Grandfathered, Lawful Creditor of the United States of America and All Debtor Nations who have borrowed money from the U.S.A. since 1905-06 assumption of LATIN AMERICAN DEBT by U.S. pursuant to Corollory Monroe Doctrine. A Debt the Federal Reserve Banking System has "not been willing or prepared to pay" since 1913 and 1919.

SEE: The Foreign Banking Act, Dec. 24, 1919. Sec. 43 & Sec. 25. Abuse of Powers by The Federal Reserve Banking System "Trust", empowered by said Act of Congress...

I told her my BoE is bigger than her claim and she got into a tizzy threatening to report me to the DoJ as a terrorist and like that.

[Goldi]

"Durham (Intl. Ltd Holding Trust, Tias 12087 is the Duly Constituted, Duly Authorized, Grandfathered, Lawful Creditor of the United States of America and All Debtor Nations who have borrowed money from the U.S.A. since 1905-06 assumption of LATIN AMERICAN DEBT by U.S. pursuant to Corollory Monroe Doctrine. A Debt the Federal Reserve Banking System has "not been willing or prepared to pay" since 1913 and 1919." ***********************
My question is, when you have researched creditor/debtor law, trust law and bailment law, why would anyone be FOOLISH enough to claim to be a CREDITOR? It's worse than the worst position when you are dealing with the concept of right, title and interest - with regard to legal relations.

[David Merrill]

This seems to be roosting near NESARA, The Dove of Oneness, White Knights and so on. - All on a haunt called Rumor Mill News.

Former RMN Agent "watcher51445": Vina Katherine Durham died today - 5 Sept of heart failure. More details later . . . .

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...gi?read=251835

Posted By: Bob [Send E-Mail]
Date: Friday, 7-Sep-2012 02:46:21

So that makes me wonder how long sensationalist authors have been cranking out this stuff in VK's name? As far as I know she might have died before 2003 when three mysterious men wanted me to help them cash out her gold bond.




Your point about wanting to be the fiduciary responsible for all the debt makes some sense within a certain scope only. But I am a strong advocate of radical responsibility as you read above!

[JohnnyCash]

Well it's official. PCGS Currency president Jason W. BRADFORD bans discussion of LAWFUL MONEY:


http://forums.collectors.com/message...44&STARTPAGE=9