Bingo! What matters is who issues the "money". The treasury of the US or A private bank. Lawful money of the U.S. (coin or US currency notes) or Bank credit (Lawful money).Originally Posted by Michael Joseph
Bingo! What matters is who issues the "money". The treasury of the US or A private bank. Lawful money of the U.S. (coin or US currency notes) or Bank credit (Lawful money).
Notes, bills, and coins issued by the U.S. Treasury (actually .... the Department of the Treasury) is lawful money.
Notes and bills issued by the FRB is legal tender.
US Treasury bills and notes are used as a reserve currency, but not a circulating one.
Also, don't you find it strange that the article 'the' is in the official title?
Strangely enough, I've heard that postal money orders are lawful money.
Last edited by shikamaru; 12-22-12 at 07:07 PM.
Shik, re-read pages 6 and 7 of this doc: Lawful Money
I think there may be a distinction between "lawful money" and "lawful money of the U.S." That distinction being who issues it. Both may be lawful (authorized by law) but one is issued by a private bank and the other by the Treasury. I don't know for sure, but it seems to fit. At any rate does adding "of the U.S." make it any less effective?
What's interesting is how some folks just can't seem to remember a simple demand. "Redeemed Lawful Money pursuant to 12 USC 411" Eight words. Not saying your demand won't work but user "freedave" here also had lotsa trouble with this (just like BAMAJiPS). Kept rearranging and adding new words into the demand before disappearing about a year ago. Or was it just feigned trouble and ignorance?
Look at the Seals on the Note. If you are on the LEFT hand side you have a Federal Reserve Note - see the FRS seal. But we are told to fish out of the RIGHT SIDE of the Boat - see the U.S. Seal - look closely at the date. See if you can tell me the date and then see if you can tell me the significance of that date. You can do it.
Ah heck, I will do it for you: Date 1789. Why is this significant? Hint September 24, 1789. What was done prior to establishing the Districts in 1790? What I am discussing IS THE CRUX of this Site.
Speaking historically, the districts, formed in 1790 for handling the financial obligations of the United States could not come into existence until after formal expression of remedy in the 'saving to suitors' clause (1789) quoted below and codified at Title 28 U.S.C.A. §1333:
"...the United States, ... within their respective districts, as well as upon the high seas; (a) saving to suitors, in all cases, the right of a common law remedy, where the common law is competent to give it; and shall also have exclusive original cognizance of all seizures on land,..." The First Judiciary Act; September 24, 1789; Chapter 20, page 77. The Constitution of the United States of America, Revised and Annotated - Analysis and Interpretation - 1982; Article III, §2, Cl. 1 Diversity of Citizenship, U.S. Government Printing Office document 99-16, p. 741. (emphasis added)
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Regarding Postal Money Orders they are issued "PAY TO" they lack the language of negotiability which is "PAY TO THE ORDER OF". This means that a Postal Money Order is non-assignable.
Why get so wrapped up in semantics, the answer is simple : how to get lawful money : THEY SHALL BE REDEEMED IN LAWFUL MONEY ON DEMAND.....AT ANY FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.
Now then anyone making a use of Federal Reserve Notes is by default is involved in Federal Reserve Banking. So dear reader, Walmart, Wells Fargo, Best Buy are all Federal Reserve Banks.
On my side of the counter - "Demand is made for lawful money per 12USC411" is my administrative lawful process. I don't give a crap what is actually happening on the other side of the counter. If I make a use for the benefit of the Public, then the Public gets the benefit. And it is known that HE WHO IS WITH THE BENEFIT IS WITH THE OBLIGATION. So then, I allow the Trustee to perform and I hope to never trespass his office.
Shalom,
Michael Joseph
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What were the "respective districts" within the United States in 1789 prior to the formation in 1790?
Excellent Question: Consider the following word groupings:..
In the United States District Court
for the District of North Carolina
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Excellent answer.
To make it more clear...
The States United, within their respective districts, as opposed to, The United States Districts.
I still think it better, plainer, to say the city of Washington (overlaid fiction upon) in the State. Put this way it expresses a municipal jurisdiction that has been imposed upon the states for revenue purposes.
Further to clarify, the Act of 1790 was what obligated the State(s) through the imposed district(s) to collect revenue toward the debts of the city of Washington - the United States (one of the three USSC-acceptable definitions). However if you were to look into the Judiciary Act of 1789 you would likely find as according to Dr. Dale LIVINGSTON Esq. that was actually when the districts were formed.
Listen to the 8:00 Minute Mark there and get to the center of the delusion. The US government was never formed on a territorial jurisdiction; but rather a municipal jurisdiction of New York City. LIVINGSTON has organized this setting in his mind as based on a fraud but then again his ancestor NY Chief Justice Robert LIVINGSTON (Grand Master) was involved. He goes on to the 12:00 Minute Mark though to describe NY as the only state that did not want to get involved by sending its delegates to ratify. Then two minutes later (14:00) we find Alexander HAMILTON (the central banking advocate) is the only delegate for NY being two more delegates short. The 16:45 Minute Mark reveals that the Grand Master of the Masons swore in WASHINGTON, and that was done on the porch of the Lodge!
In modern times the same exercise of the Masons as Priests is expressed through municipal home rule:
The priests' dominions are the cities and their suburbs - look at I Chronicles chapter 6. It takes quite a while to discover how clear and simple this all is. But well worth the journey for me especially being a Patroon and descended from the Patroon who built that wall around his estate on Manhattan that became Wall Street - where WASHINGTON was sworn in! Here is the Van Pelt Milestone as found today:
Notice with whom it sets in the Brooklyn Historical Society Museum. When destiny and heritage are coherent, there is peace.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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