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    Interesting, I thought the original dollar sign (the one with two vertical lines) was a derivative of U S laid over itself with the bottom of the U cut off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOntheLand View Post
    I am not sure if "money" is actually defined anywhere in U.S. law other than by giving examples, but "dollar" is certainly defined in U.S. law.

    FRN's use the term "dollar" on them, yet since FRN's became no longer redeemable in gold, the Federal Reserve has zero connection to the public law definition of "dollar". The Federal Reserve is clearly operating under a different definition of the term "dollar" (private law or fiction of law definition).

    This private law definition of "dollar" seems to be "one dollar United States note", since this seems to be all you are entitled to get from the Fed in exchange for a dollar FRN.

    FRN's can no longer be redeemed for gold as of 1933, but the dollar itself continues to this day to be defined in public law as a given weight in gold. Therefore we have currency, we have lawful money, we have legal tender, we have notes, we even have coins, but none of them can be "dollars" according to the law of the land unless they are redeemable for a given weight of gold. Making it clear that Federal reserve Notes cannot possibly be lawful money according to public law.

    The 1792 Coinage Act (amended in 1900 and still in effect today), states that a dollar is 25.8 grains or 1/20 of an oz of gold. The closest you could come to getting a dollar from Fed is to receive a U.S. Note, making it pretty clear that this is their private law definition of a "dollar".
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    Oh, The Onion is a hoot. As for the origin of the US dollar sign, I believe the most accepted view is that it derives from the Spanish coat of arms found on the reverse of colonial Spanish silver coins. The 8 Reale "Real de a Ocho" (piece of eight) was the basis of the US silver dollar; same size & weight 1. The Spanish coat of arms features two columns (||), which represent the Pillars of Hercules and an "S"-shaped ribbon around each, with the motto "Non Plus Ultra" originally, and later "Plus Ultra."

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    Meanwhile, if you'd like some real news ... 580 Tons Of Gold Purchased In Just 7 Days. Seems those who know what real money is (gold & silver) are grabbing all they can while the banksters manipulate the metals (paper) price down. Perhaps they sense this debt-as-money Ponzi scheme is about to tip over.
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    Thanks Noah;

    I like that coin!

    Debt as money is a rediculous conundrum indeed. It is amazing that it has survived so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Thanks Noah;

    I like that coin!

    Debt as money is a rediculous conundrum indeed. It is amazing that it has survived so long.
    Read and re-read.....

    If the PLAINTIFF is considered a DEBTOR to the King [State], then the Court is seen as a CREDITOR because the PLAINTIFF is seeking remedy from a DEFENDANT who has failed to keep his promises. Therefore the PLAINTIFF is considered to be bringing Suit against the DEFENDANT so that the Plaintiff can recover from the Defendant. If the Plaintiff is given judgment, then the Plaintiff is considered to receive Judgment in order to repay the King [State].

    THEREFORE the State is CREDITOR to both the Plaintiff and the Defendant.

    This is indeed the UNITED STATES EMPIRE.

    The purpose is manifest, to establish through the whole jurisdiction of the United States ONE PEOPLE, and that every member of the empire shall understand and appreciate the fact that his privileges and immunities cannot be abridged by State authority; that State laws must be so framed as to secure life, liberty, property from arbitrary violation and secure protection of law to all. Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1872)

    The foregoing sounds so good to those who cannot read the TERMS. But what was really said is that an EMPIRE state has been erected as Sovereign. Now this Sovereign has Subjects, Citizens and Slaves. Therefore at once there is two classes: Superior and Inferior.

    If the United States is a creditor of any citizen, or of any one else on whom process can be served, the usual, the only legal mode of enforcing payment of the debt is by a resort to a court of justice. … officers have been appointed to prosecute the pleas of the government in these courts. …The Court of Exchequer of
    England was originally organized solely to entertain suits of the king against the debtors of the crown. But after a while, when the other courts of Westminster Hall become overcrowded with business, and it became desirable to open the Court of Exchequer to the general administration of justice, a party was allowed to bring any commonlaw action in that court, on an allegation that the plaintiff was debtor to the king, and the recovery in the action would enable him to respond to the king's debt. After a while the court refused to allow this allegation to be controverted, and so, by this fiction, the court came from a very limited to be one of general jurisdiction. Such an enlargement of jurisdiction would not now be tolerated in England, and it is hoped not in this country of written constitutions and laws. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 193 (1880)

    "A more perfect Union" = [the] UNITED STATES EMPIRE. A people who operate in common law have peace officers however we see that an EMPIRE requires force to enact its ENDLESS infractions and statutes [bills].

    Since the PERSON is at once a creation of the STATE EMPIRE, at once it is subject to obligations and rights. And therefore anyone representing the PERSON is at once subject to the obligations. Therefore to argue any statute is CONTEMPT because the PERSON is a slave and has only those rights, privileges or obligations granted to IT. Therefore for IT's representative to argue the PERSON does not have to comply is a BREACH OF PROMISE. And since God cannot lie, the man/woman who argues is failing to keep the Promise.

    Therefore at ONCE the money is always DEBT MONEY because the PERSONS are at once DEBTORS wholly SLAVES, SUBJECTS AND CITIZENS of the EMPIRE.

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    That is one of the most comprehensive posts arguing for redemption of lawful money around!

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    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/20871555.cms

    US Federal Reserve to vote on Basel bank capital rules

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    What I recall is that the dollar sign came from the word "peso" being abbreviated as "PS", with the S overlaid on the P. When the US first specified the value of its dollar, the standard was that of the peso, or "Spanish Milled Dollar" (since the coin was commonly referred to a dollar due to its similarity in size and weight to the thalers, talers etc of Europe). Eventually, the bottom of the S disappeared; and thus we have our dollar sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walter View Post
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/20871555.cms

    US Federal Reserve to vote on Basel bank capital rules

    Thank you for refreshing Basel III around here - good Bump!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    That is one of the most comprehensive posts arguing for redemption of lawful money around!
    It is great that you all can see the Empire. Most people get stuck back in the 1700-1860 and cannot see that the government was revised. Legally speaking a conquer took over after the civil war but even with that contemplation the people were not willing to accept a sovereign government. So then the people were conquered COMMERCIALLY in what I believe to be a "setup" economic disaster. Said disaster occurred in late 1929. After a few years the people were only to ready to accept whatever offer was made to them.

    Alas the common law of the Republic was replaced IN FORM ONLY by the CIVIL LAW and POSITIVE LAW of the Democracy. Now then since a Municipality gets its charter [very existence] from a grant of the Empire, then the Municipality can be modeled as a vassal sovereign. But it is the Municipality that now shares in the Sovereignty.

    This model of mine was reinforced yesterday upon filing for a new LLC. The Sec. of State called me and said we cannot GRANT approval unless the REGISTERED AGENT is already registered in our system. That bell rang loud because it tells me the so called "ruling State" has made a claim in the NAMES it created and/or the names that are Registered [by consent] into their rolls?

    The Empire has rights, titles and interest in the NAMES it created. You got a Birth Certificate - whose seal is atop it? So now at once you see the Empire has Jurisdiction to hear ANY matter in The NAME. As I have tried to propound, the Settlor is sovereign to his/her/its creation.

    See now how POSITIVE LAW is used to control a people who VOLUNTARILY represent the interests in a Registered NAME. And said POSITIVE LAW is then coupled [you engineers should like that word] to EQUITY or MORAL LAW this way. God cannot lie. If man is made in the image of God, then it is a crime for man to lie. Therefore if man consents to operate and represent the Registered NAME, then man is at once the Subject or Trustee or Citizen or Slave = all synonymous to the one who CREATED the USE.

    So to argue the Registered NAME is not a taxpayer is to be in Contempt of Court. Because OF COURSE the NAME is a taxpayer. Now the question remains is there any Tax to be paid? Meaning how are you OPERATING [its all about commerce] the NAME? Is your use consistent with the bylaws [yes its all about Trust] of the Empire or are you making a use for private gain? If you think to ALIENATE [transfer] property without the Empire then you will be sadly mistaken.

    Now then, one who is intelligent will say but where is choice under force? To that end, I ask you - how was El Elyon able to summon all the hosts of heaven to His Court? When you answer that one in your mind then you will see the Settlor/Creator is Sovereign.

    Now then did the State create men and women? Yes and no. TERMS are important. Did the State create living souls? Absolutely NOT. Can a living soul bind himself in Contract? Absolutely.

    Now therefore there is a new class of Slaves. But they are Fictions that can only be real if you believe the illusion - fiction of law. Else there is the common law of God. One law is civil applying to the fictions at law created and to those who occupy in the office of Trustee; the latter is organic law issued by God for those who again would serve each other in love.

    This will naturally lead one into the term Resident - which is a two fold term. Res = Trust Corpus; property; Ident = Identity. Now I ask you is a slave not property of another? Even the Scripture says so. So then the RESIDENT is the NAME.

    Now for one to go and argue anything in that NAME is considered a BREACH OF PROMISE or Breach of Contract. Now do you see how POSITIVE LAW [civil law] was coupled to MORAL LAW? The man at the bench is wearing a Black Robe? Why? Who determines Moral Issues? - a priest?

    There exists all at once TWO governments. One that is servant to the people - and the other that is Sovereign to the PEOPLE. Every law, code, statute and ordinance applies to the PEOPLE but none of it applies to the people UNLESS there is consent OR a manifest harm or injury.

    Since you are considered to be operator or trustee for YOU, if a court concern is claimed in YOU then you might be given an opportunity to represent yourself. See at once how this is possible. Think sets and sub-sets.

    Subset = YOU by and thru its trustee you = Yourself
    Attorney to represent Yourself subset: you

    Attorney's are Licensed by the State to handle matters in the NAMES.

    See now the fictions at law regarding CAPACITY. If you have engaged as trustee for YOU then you are bound to abide by the bylaws governing YOU. Do you agree or not? If so, then great, if not, then don't ever make a use of YOU - ever - UNLESS you intend to return all property, titles and interest in YOU to its Owner - the United States Empire.

    This is what 12USC411 does. you get the Use but the titles remain in the United States. This of course is in perfect accord with 12USC95a

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    Has anybody put together what the "little horn" is? See that for this system to work there must be a pyramidal system of Sovereignty but at the top there must be a few men who run the entire show who then give their power to ONE. See now how repugnant this is to God's Law. For under man's "Laws of Nations", the sovereign is NOT subject to his own laws. Remember the movie Camelot - the idea is that the kingdom would be one of laws and NOONE not even the king is above the law. But we see at once that man's nation-states are indeed above the law as they give the law. And so we see a Superior class and at once an Inferior class. The inferior class is its Citizen - Slaves. And while slavery is not moral it is indeed permitted under POSITIVE LAW because if one VOLUNTEERS to be a slave then Positive Law permits.

    Notice two that He too donned the flesh just as the elohims were made to. BTW see how all of this was erected in the name of PEACE. But it is just whitewash. There can be no peace unless the hearts of man change. For no sovereign no matter how strong can make any man do anything. And as long as ideas abound in Liberty as in the "perfect Law of Liberty" men will always strive to be totally free. No half-way substitute will satisfy the thirst for freedom/liberty. But see now how the young are being brainwashed to see the State as mommy and daddy.



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