Results 1 to 10 of 357

Thread: endorsing and SS.......a big question!

Threaded View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #11
    jesse james
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    " The constitution was ordained and established by the people of the United States for themselves, for their own government, and not for the government of the individual states. Each state established a constitution for itself, and in that constitution, provided such limitations and restrictions on the powers of its particular government, as its judgment dictated. The people of the United States framed such a government for the United States as they supposed best adapted to their situation and best calculated to promote their interests. The powers they conferred on this government were to be exercised by itself; and the limitations on power, if expressed in general terms, are naturally, and, we think, necessarily, applicable to the government created by the instrument. They are limitations of power granted in the instrument itself; not of distinct governments, framed by different persons and for different purposes. "
    (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)
    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...l=32&invol=243

    Next?
    And the problem with this premise is that there is a legal difference between "The People", who established government for themselves, and the "US citizens".
    The pecking order goes like this:
    1. The People (above their created government)
    2. Federal government (to deal with international affairs, below the People )
    3. US citizens (below government or jurisdictional, 14th amendment, being of 2nd class to the People)

    You should really try and see why the courts say the things they say Motla68. Take these cites and let them sink in!

    “We have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of it’s own...”
    United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

    “...he was not a citizen of the United States, he was a citizen and voter of the State,...” “One may be a citizen of a State an yet not a citizen of the United States”.
    McDonel v. The State, 90 Ind. 320 (1883)

    “That there is a citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a state,...”
    Tashiro v. Jordan, 201 Cal. 236 (1927)

    "A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
    Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383


    “The governments of the United States and of each state of the several states are distinct from one another. The rights of a citizen under one may be quite different from those which he has under the other”.
    Colgate v. Harvey, 296 U.S. 404; 56 S.Ct. 252 (1935)

    “There is a difference between privileges and immunities belonging to the citizens of the United States as such, and those belonging to the citizens of each state as such”.
    Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41 (1900)

    “The rights and privileges, and immunities which the fourteenth constitutional amendment and Rev. St. section 1979 [U.S. Comp. St. 1901, p. 1262], for its enforcement, were designated to protect, are such as belonging to citizens of the United States as such, and not as citizens of a state”.
    Wadleigh v. Newhall 136 F. 941 (1905)

    “...rights of national citizenship as distinct from the fundamental or natural rights inherent in state citizenship”.
    Madden v. Kentucky, 309 U.S. 83: 84 L.Ed. 590 (1940)


    NEXT!
    Last edited by jesse james; 11-13-11 at 09:52 PM.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •