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"A birth certificate is not a form of identification or is it?" http://www.cookcountyclerk.com/vital...s/default.aspx

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes. http://travel.state.gov/passport/get...first_830.html

We can accept only certain documents as proof of identity. An acceptable document must be current (not expired) and show your name, identifying information (date of birth or age) and preferably a recent photograph. A birth certificate is not a form of identification. As proof of identity, Social Security must see one of the following primary evidence documents: http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answ...tail/a_id/2281

then the 'entity' formerly known as the IRS steps in and intimidates the employer into not accepting it, in violation of said regulation.

TREASURY ORDER: 150-06 http://famguardian.org/PublishedAuth...s/irsbegin.htm

TREASURY ORDER: 150-06 http://foundationfortruthinlaw.org/P...-for-ORDER.pdf

REVENUE PROVISIONS, Subtitle E - (amendments to the U.S. Code)"SEC. 742 , TAXPAYER IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS REQUIRED AT BIRTH Link http://www.google.com/search?q=TAXPA...e7&rlz=1I7MEDA

SSA - POMS: RM 00201.040 - Void Social Security Numbers (SSNs) - 03/26/2008 https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.NSF/0/4c...ocument&Click=

"The Social Security Act does not require a person to have a Social Security number (SSN) to live and work in the United States, nor does it require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one." http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...htsAndSSNs.htm

According to the Social Security Regulations, a person must use a SSN if they apply for public benefits. An applicant for government benefits who does not have, or does not use, a SSN will be denied. Some people have sent letters to the Social Security Administration stating that they were "rescinding" their social security number. They publicly "give it back" so to speak. However, the Social Security Administration continues to maintain a record pertaining to each person using their social security account number. It's sort of analogous to the theme of "Hotel California" by the Eagles "you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave." We are not aware of any cases where the SSA agreed to expunge an adult’s record. Neither are we aware of any occasion where the SSA refunded any amount of contributions.

Applying to Have the SSN Application Removed From an Adult: Some people argue that when they applied for a SSN, they "unknowingly" entered into a "contract" with SSA and that by rescinding their number they absolve themselves of any commitment they may have unknowingly made.

But the simple fact is, Social Security is not a contract. This very important point is clearly brought out by Larry Becraft in his brief entitled "Comment Upon Voluntary Nature of Social Security." Therein, he states:

"Is Social Security a contract? A private insurance policy is clearly a contract because the policyholder makes a promise to pay money to the insurance company, which in turn agrees to likewise pay the policyholder if certain contingencies arise. These "promise to pay" elements are essential for a contract, but they simply are not present with Social Security. First, Social Security "payments" are not premium payments, but are taxes instead.

"Secondly, there is no corresponding and enforceable 'promise to pay' from the Social Security Administration to its 'beneficiaries.' [G]overnment contracts are very special and require an appropriation from Congress before money can be expended and a contract made. Regarding Social Security, the only 'beneficiaries' who have any claim against the public treasury are those for whom Congress has already made an appropriation, which can last no longer than a year. The rest of the Social Security claimants in America have no enforceable claim on public funds, and all they possess is a 'political promise,' upon which Congress can renege at any moment. If Congress decided tomorrow to cut off all Social Security, nobody would have any claim for payment. Thus, Social Security has never been and is not now a contract."
Simply applying for (and receiving) a Social Security number does not constitute the making of a contract. And additionally, the Social Security Administration has never asserted that Social Security was a "contractual" agreement. http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...SSNs.htm#1.5.2

Sec. 208. [42 U.S.C. 408] (a) Whoever—
(1) for the purpose of causing an increase in any payment authorized to be made under this title, or for the purpose of causing any payment to be made where no payment is authorized under this title, shall make or cause to be made any false statement or representation (including any false statement or representation in connection with any matter arising under subchapter E of chapter 1, or subchapter A or E of chapter 9 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1939[95], or chapter 2 or 21 or subtitle F of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954[96]) as to—

(A) whether wages were paid or received for employment (as said terms are defined in this title and the Internal Revenue Code), or the amount of wages or the period during which paid or the person to whom paid; or http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title02/0208.htm

If you are not a (government) employee as defined above and now that you’ve read the law, ask yourself, “Am I liable for income tax? Am I even an employee? In review, there is only one law that establishes liability, (§3403) for income tax withheld (§3402) in Title 26. In searching all 50 Titles of U.S. Code, it is the only law that the congressional search engine identified as pertaining to ‘income tax collected at source.’ How can Line 43, “TAXABLE INCOME” of the 2009 (or current year) 1040 form contain a true value?
Your last paragraph comes from the document, "Liberty for Dummies" in post #18 of this thread.... try to give credit where credit is due.

Bentley