Borrower is the Bank

[David Merrill]

After reading the Credit River Money Decision testimony by Mr. MORGAN in 1968 it is easy to understand the Bank is making a demand for lawful money:

[pumpkin]

Damn, it's right there. What is this paperwork from? Yours or off the net or what? How can the bank loan fiat and demand lawful money?

[doug555]

After reading the Credit River Money Decision testimony by Mr. MORGAN in 1968 it is easy to understand the Bank is making a demand for lawful money:

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The same demand is made in HJR 192 - see it here in http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/hjr-192/ and http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/no-charge/

However, it was cleverly and diabolically hidden on June 5, 1933 as Option #2 as explained in above webpage!

We have been duped by their focus on Option #1...

We have been negligent in fulfilling our duty to choose Option #2 - "discharge upon PAYMENT" - which requires lawful money!

So, since we are to blame, then we can fix this IMMEDIATELY - by doing this!

And THIS!

And eventually THIS!!

[doug555]

After reading the Credit River Money Decision testimony by Mr. MORGAN in 1968 it is easy to understand the Bank is making a demand for lawful money:

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Just Google "promissory note lawful money"

Here is another example demanding lawful money at http://www.in.gov/dlgf/files/HEA_107...ssory_Note.pdf

4. All payments hereunder shall be made in lawful money of the United States of
America in immediately available funds at the Office of Auditor of State of Indiana 240 State
House, Indianapolis, Indiana 46204, or at such other place as the State may designate from time
to time. If any payment shall become due on a Saturday, Sunday, or on any other day during
which the Office of Auditor of State of Indiana is not open for public business, then such
payment shall be made on the next succeeding business day at such Office.

And another at http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...1241dex102.htm

lawful money of the United States of America

And another at http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...7935dex105.htm

lawful money of the United States of America

And another at http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Healt...and_Promissory

lawful money of the United States of America

[Michael Joseph]

Be thou not a respecter of persons. What is good for one person is good for another.

[doug555]

NOTICE carefully the exact wording:

1. "Borrower promises to pay to the order of Bank, in lawful money of the United States of America..."

It does NOT say:

2. "Borrower promises to promise to pay to the order of Bank, in lawful money of the United States of America..." [by tendering FRNs!]

By doing #2, are we not in breach of contract?

To do #1, isn't the only way that is possible is by accepting all bills for honor [as the people's credit vouchers], demanding lawful money thereon, indorsing them "For Deposit Only to the account of United States", and then returning them to their senders so that they can receive asset funds from the Treasury, which is the credit of the people in labor held by the Treasury since 1933 to offset their accounts payable at the Treasury, which transaction constitutes true payment, an exchange of real value (labor) for real value (products/services)?

Indeed, if the "Borrower is the Bank", why in the world would the people ever borrow money in the first place when they are the credit behind the entire national economy?!

Why not just "discharge upon payment" by indorsing all bills - which means "discharge the liability the providers have from borrowing the people's labor to produce the goods and services by assigning the credithttp://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/2014...d-bill-remedy/):

[allodial]

After reading the Credit River Money Decision testimony by Mr. MORGAN in 1968 it is easy to understand the Bank is making a demand for lawful money...

Imagine if the "borrower" paid the bank in lawful money but the ban only gave clearinghouse credit in return.

That which is said to be an unconditional promise to pay a sum certain in money is itself money.

Damn, it's right there. What is this paperwork from? Yours or off the net or what? How can the bank loan fiat and demand lawful money?

Most any promissory note provided by a bank or by the US Department of Education, etc. is likely involving a promise to pay "lawful money". A check for ____ DOLLARS might be for clearinghouse credit.

Doug555 what I've aimed to drive home is the reality that at the heart of all monetary systems seems to be this thing called sovereign prerogative.

[pumpkin]

"Borrower promises to promise to pay to the order of Bank, in lawful money of the United States of America..." [by tendering FRNs!]

I don't see this as accomplishing anything. A bank cannot sue you for not paying lawful money, they accept FRNs for every transaction. They are estopped by their own actions. The government is not a party to the contract, they cannot use it in any way. This maybe is done so a court can actually make judgment concerning the mortgage, an not be making something a payment of debt other than gold or silver coin. But even with that, it must be done in equity, as a full accounting done in law, will show the bank had no consideration for the contract (they don't lend out their deposits).

[Michael Joseph]

"Borrower promises to promise to pay to the order of Bank, in lawful money of the United States of America..." [by tendering FRNs!]

I don't see this as accomplishing anything. A bank cannot sue you for not paying lawful money, they accept FRNs for every transaction. They are estopped by their own actions. The government is not a party to the contract, they cannot use it in any way. This maybe is done so a court can actually make judgment concerning the mortgage, an not be making something a payment of debt other than gold or silver coin. But even with that, it must be done in equity, as a full accounting done in law, will show the bank had no consideration for the contract (they don't lend out their deposits).

A choice. Be your brother's keeper - or add extra burdens. The choice is rooted in self. Should I die to self and help others or be greedy which hurts me and others. Either way the Administration is made by others.

Kingdom of God : The Administration is in the Holy Spirit
States of men: The Administration is in the government

Those under the Administration of the government of the United States may call themselves United States citizens. This is a title.

Those under the Administration of the Holy Spirit of Father El Elyon may call themselves the sons of El Elyon. This is a title.

Those who Establish the State also settle the commercial affairs - Constitution. Else if there was no Constitution then the State would be a closed law boundary unable to engage other States. Therefore, of course, there is sovereign prerogative. If the sovereign is the servant of the people, then the prerogative must presuppose the benefit of the people.

1Co 4:21 What desire ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love and in the spirit of meekness?

Regards,
Michael Joseph

[pumpkin]

I agree that knowing your proper place is the key, but why do you suppose the lawful money language is in that contract?

[Michael Joseph]

I agree that knowing your proper place is the key, but why do you suppose the lawful money language is in that contract?

Oh that part is easy to answer - international trade. Almost immediately the note is traded - assigned. Be thou not a respecter of persons. The agency of FMae and FMac go about the business of trading these notes internationally. This by the way is a BENEFICIAL SERVICE. Only the blind don't see.

Otherwise, the inflation within the United States would be so bad it would cost $100 for a loaf of bread or a gallon of gas. Greed and the love of money - I will bring you to ashes from within.


Value therefore is a subjective moving scale based on the amount of notes in circulation within the U.S. at the time the value is to be measured. If an expansion has occurred then the value will be perceived to be higher because the price for good will escalate - inflation. When the contraction occurs then those who have more notes can pick up interests with their "spare" cash found as a result of the expansion. The blind fool takes all he makes and spends it on himself - therefore he continues in a constant status of want.

Some refuse to play the game - these are the poor of the world - yet wealthy. They lack in notes but they have no debt.

Regards,
MJ

[Chex]

NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that on November 18, 2014, at 11:00 a.m. the office of Catherine L. Dullea, Attorney at Law, as Successor Trustee, 101 N. Fourth Avenue Suite 204, Sandpoint, ID, will sell at public auction to the highest bidder, for cash in lawful money of the United States of America, all payable at the time of sale, the following real property situated in the County of Bonner, State of Idaho, described as follows:http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/...a4bcf887a.html

Laws prohibiting the use of anything other than lawful money of the United States (or gold and silver coin) as currency have been on the books in California since 1849, 12 years after the invention of the telegraph and 27 years before the invention of the telephone. Even though lawmakers in the 19th century could not have anticipated the creation of digital currencies, the laws they wrote nonetheless prohibit their use, simply because they are alternatives to the approved form of currency. http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?se...doc_id=1323647

[Michael Joseph]

NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that on November 18, 2014, at 11:00 a.m. the office of Catherine L. Dullea, Attorney at Law, as Successor Trustee, 101 N. Fourth Avenue Suite 204, Sandpoint, ID, will sell at public auction to the highest bidder, for cash in lawful money of the United States of America, all payable at the time of sale, the following real property situated in the County of Bonner, State of Idaho, described as follows:http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/...a4bcf887a.html

Laws prohibiting the use of anything other than lawful money of the United States (or gold and silver coin) as currency have been on the books in California since 1849, 12 years after the invention of the telegraph and 27 years before the invention of the telephone. Even though lawmakers in the 19th century could not have anticipated the creation of digital currencies, the laws they wrote nonetheless prohibit their use, simply because they are alternatives to the approved form of currency. http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?se...doc_id=1323647

RIGHT. The people by consent RE-Venue themselves. Thus they consent to be governed by the revenue officer. County of Wake is a long way from Wake County. Office of the Sheriff is a long way from Sheriffs Department.


Those who undertake in the Federal Reserve cities and districts have consented to be governed by private corporations - here the Constitution between the United States and the States cannot help them and in fact wars against them. We see this at :

Article 1 Section 10.

No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.

If the inhabitant of a State consents to be governed by private corporations then said inhabitant leaves the Administration of the "government of the United States" and subjects himself/herself to the administration of private man's interest. Thus having established this fact, the Constitution can not help said one because said one has waived his or her civil rights under the Administration of the "government of the United States" in trade for slavery [nothing] under the administration of private individuals. This is the difference between Public and Private.

The United States was quick to establish its own districts which are surveyed law boundaries - collection districts - 1790. The debt must be repaid - or forgiven. See Treaty of Paris Article IV.


Isa 52:3 For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed not with silver.


Oh how I love Father's Word.


Shalom,
Michael Joseph

[mikecz]

Whenever the SSA refers to you, it's a taxpayer. One holding a SS card, or cardholder. On the card provided to me by the SSA, it clearly says on the back "This card belongs to the SSA and you must return it if we ask for it." Does it get any more clear then that? What if they ask for it? What happens to my bank account, loans, houses, anything?

I've been pondering this for sometime. What if I setup a trust, and make all sorts of crazy statutes if one was part of the trust. I give them numbers, and a card, then give them some money to sign a few contracts with their signature AND a reference to my special trust number I provided them. Wouldn't that person then give physical capacity to the trust, and legal title to that contract would simply be held by said trust? Yes. Well, what if I were to remove them from the trust (I set it up that way), I take their card, I take their number. What is left, what legal remedy (may have some equitable) would that person have? All the documents they signed are referencing the trust.

There are times in life when one finally "sees" things for how they really are. Having kids, it's incredible to see the gears grinding in the minds connecting the dots, figuring things out. When we get older, this happens less frequently. But, this last year or so, things really started becoming clear. The biggest thing for me recently was finding that not only are cities incorporated (does the deed to your home reference a plat number, sub division or parcel, you have given them access to your property by dedication), counties are incorporated, and STATES OF ________ all were incorporated by the early 70's. They are corporate states, a private body!

Here is a question, if the States are a private body, and we vote, who are we voting for? Are they actual gov't, or employees of the private body. What about the senators, unconstitutionally elected via the 17th amendment (from the corporate constitution as opposed the original constitution). Does anyone actually sit in the original gov't seats, or have they been vacated?

[Michael Joseph]

Whenever the SSA refers to you, it's a taxpayer. One holding a SS card, or cardholder. On the card provided to me by the SSA, it clearly says on the back "This card belongs to the SSA and you must return it if we ask for it." Does it get any more clear then that? What if they ask for it? What happens to my bank account, loans, houses, anything?

I've been pondering this for sometime. What if I setup a trust, and make all sorts of crazy statutes if one was part of the trust. I give them numbers, and a card, then give them some money to sign a few contracts with their signature AND a reference to my special trust number I provided them. Wouldn't that person then give physical capacity to the trust, and legal title to that contract would simply be held by said trust? Yes. Well, what if I were to remove them from the trust (I set it up that way), I take their card, I take their number. What is left, what legal remedy (may have some equitable) would that person have? All the documents they signed are referencing the trust.

There are times in life when one finally "sees" things for how they really are. Having kids, it's incredible to see the gears grinding in the minds connecting the dots, figuring things out. When we get older, this happens less frequently. But, this last year or so, things really started becoming clear. The biggest thing for me recently was finding that not only are cities incorporated (does the deed to your home reference a plat number, sub division or parcel, you have given them access to your property by dedication), counties are incorporated, and STATES OF ________ all were incorporated by the early 70's. They are corporate states, a private body!

Here is a question, if the States are a private body, and we vote, who are we voting for? Are they actual gov't, or employees of the private body. What about the senators, unconstitutionally elected via the 17th amendment (from the corporate constitution as opposed the original constitution). Does anyone actually sit in the original gov't seats, or have they been vacated?

remember just because a corporation is bankrupt does not cause the corporation to cease. I like your style mikecz. If I build a webpage and require that you register to use it, then by making the use you bind yourself to the terms of use by consent. Noone makes you consent to register. But once you register and are upon the many uses, then you are bound to the policies governing those uses.

If there is a holiday what of your uses? The site may go down. What then when the "rivers overrun their banks"? There most definitely will be "incessant trembling". And many will be looking for a SAVIOR - enter stage left - the Savior in a Can. Set up from time immemorial - from the days of Cain - welcome to the show - the False One. Hold your applause and don't forget to tip your waitress.

Its the same ole song and dance - it is just the names have changed - yet the Song remains the same.

Man i hear about the children - they have taught me numerous lessons. They ask because they TRUST I have the answer. Consider that one for a moment.

If you can't find remedy because the JACKS are already in their boxes - maybe you have to make your own remedy? Yet this is the way of the self willed man. I find this to be a trap. So I will listen to the Whispering Wind for Her instruction. How may I serve you for it is better to give than receive. I have become the fool to those who only think to get.

Consider motives. One must contend for the truth. For just as Noah took five hundred years to find a wife that had not been GENETICALLY MODIFIED - we too should contend for the truth. Look at our food, our water - perhaps one might think to grow their own and filter their water?

Spiritually speaking:


Jud 1:3 Beloved, making all diligence to write to you concerning our common salvation, I had need to write to you, exhorting you to earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

Alas, the churches have committed Adultery. So too has the State. The two swords are drinking of a cup full of filthiness. And Equity has been thrown out into the streets.

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Search yourself - so you find a yearning for a Savior or are you prepared to make it right. To contend for the faith? If the former - let me assure you - a Savior has been prepared and is awaiting the consent of the masses who will find themselves Dazed and Confused.


"Dazed And Confused" - by Led Zeppelin

Been Dazed and Confused for so long it's not true.
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you.
Lots of people talkin', few of them know
Soul of a woman was created below.

You hurt and abuse tellin' all of your lies.
Run around sweet baby, Lord how you hypnotize.
Sweet little baby, I don't know where you've been.
Gonna love you baby, here I come again.

Every day I work so hard, bringin' home my hard earned pay
Try to love you baby, but you push me away.
Don't know where you're goin', only know just where you've been,
Sweet little baby, I want you again.

Been dazed and confused for so long, it's not true.
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you.
Take it easy baby, let them say what they will.
Will your tongue wag so much when I send you the bill?


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Of course the wise know this false woman is the Whore of Babylon - a false Church/State system.