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    These are the sons of Israel; Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah, Issachar, and Zebulun, Dan, Joseph, and Benjamin, Naphtali, Gad, and Asher
    It seems that another thing worth pondering is if Israel refers to the body of Christ or to believers on the whole, then how are (some of?) the "British Israeliters" managing to arrive at the conclusion of equating the United States, Great Britain or creatures of the believers with the believers themselves? If Israel is more of a spiritual, widespread nation of believers, then what of the State of Israel? When did North America become part of "the whole earth/land" meaning those areas surrounding or inclusive of Judea, Asia Minor, Africa, southern Europe, etc.?

    The nations of England, America, Pennsylvania, Scotland it seems would be clearly distinct and different from the United States, Great Britain, the United Nations, etc. So it seems that it takes a fine discernment (a sieve of wisdom?) to extract value from the book (i.e. The United States and Great Britain in Prophecy). The fixation on the United States or Great Britain seems errant because neither are AFAIK nations---they are confederacies or unions of kingdoms. So on that note, the author seems misled though perhaps zealous or enthusiastic. England and Scotland the nations are not Great Britain and Great Britain is neither England nor Scotland. The nations Missouri, Pennsylvania, New York aren't the United States. Under organic law, I find it rather challenging to find any merit in the idea of the United States or the United Kingdom or Great Britain being nations. Great Britain (politically England, Scotland and Wales in union) was a merger of KINGDOMS **not** of nations. It is also worth noting that kingdoms or governments existed Europe and even America before Rome existed or before Roman influence came to those areas. And on that note, it is well know that Rome infiltrated and gained the allegiance of Germanic tribes, incorporating them into Rome. In that light how can Germany or Germanic tribes be Israel or Manasseh or Ephraim?

    Also, how can the creatures of creatures of men be Manasseh or Ephraim? It seems rather evident that Israel and Judah aren't the same. Joseph

    Also, if one group of believers decides to go run off a cliff, is it the fault of other believers? How does the creature of one believer have authority over another? Such questions are about touching upon the problems that come with using too wide of a brush.

    That the Two Kingdoms of Scotland and England shall upon the first day of May next ensuing the date hereof and forever after be United into One Kingdom by the Name of Great Britain
    kingdom - A political or territorial unit ruled by a sovereign.
    Who would equate a kingdom with the sovereign himself?

    "The name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there [or in the Hebrew Jehovah-shammah]."—Ezekiel 48:35
    For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Matthew 18:20
    And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:20
    But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. 1 Peter 2
    But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor. 2:14
    Nonetheless, the book is a fascinating read. I find it important to read between the lines and discern beyond the activities, sounds, echoes, shadows, reverberations of people or of peoples without mistaking their activities, echoes or traces for the people themselves.

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