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[ohiofoiarequest]

I believe he answered the question. Also noticed that some of your response wasn't exactly responsive.

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How do you know its a he? What line was it, I missed it.

[ohiofoiarequest]

I perhaps wrongly assumed by the respondent's handle "doninga" (could be a donna?). Seemed like they tried to help and gave the best answerpossible with what information he had to a rather obscure question...but I think the answer is to put it where you think it belongs ...I think Doug here has it all laid out nicely in one post he updated very recently but don't have the link.

The original question might get interesting responses from some 3 letter agencies?

Peace

[JohnnyCash]

That answer from Don in GA is similar to what I've received. Most folks are clueless about lawful money. So thanks for speading the word!

If your question was not rhetorical, then yes, taking a Line 21 deduction/reduction for redeemed lawful money seems most appropriate and it's been working right along for us. It's where the IRS instructions indicate the "Foreign Earned Income Exclusion" is to be entered as a negative. And lawful money is certainly foreign to the private "United States" company. Oh doug, I couldn't help but notice this too: "You cannot exclude or deduct more than your foreign earned income for the year."

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1895445-how-do-i-report-foreign-income#collapse3

Which sounds to me like ... You cannot exclude or deduct more than your redeemed lawful money for the year.

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[doug555]

That answer from Don in GA is similar to what I've received. Most folks are clueless about lawful money. So thanks for speading the word!

If your question was not rhetorical, then yes, taking a Line 21 deduction/reduction for redeemed lawful money seems most appropriate and it's been working right along for us. It's where the IRS instructions indicate the "Foreign Earned Income Exclusion" is to be entered as a negative. And lawful money is certainly foreign to the private "United States" company. Oh doug, I couldn't help but notice this too: "You cannot exclude or deduct more than your foreign earned income for the year."

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1895445-how-do-i-report-foreign-income#collapse3

Which sounds to me like ... You cannot exclude or deduct more than your redeemed lawful money for the year.

I have 3 years proof that you can... maybe because I don't classify it as you do above.

Who says LMDs are "earned income" at all. ALL of those terms apply only to FRNs IMO.

[shelbyz33]

I'm simply nervous about who knows which government agency that comes knocking that a simple defense of " O well I've been redeeming all my checks for lawful money" is going to have enough weight to send them walking. I'd like to kinda always be prepared . So for shit and giggles lets say what "paperwork, law wise" would you walk around with in your back pocket at all times to always be able to answer or rebut any questions, whenever??

[doug555]

I'm simply nervous about who knows which government agency that comes knocking that a simple defense of " O well I've been redeeming all my checks for lawful money" is going to have enough weight to send them walking. I'd like to kinda always be prepared . So for shit and giggles lets say what "paperwork, law wise" would you walk around with in your back pocket at all times to always be able to answer or rebut any questions, whenever??

IMO, they need to rebut your evidence that is on record in their system collected in the normal course of banking transactions.

If everything is a matter of contract, do a conditional acceptance of any offer they make to you, Upon proof of claim that there is probable cause to believe:

Your instant offer to contract with you is conditionally accepted upon proof of claim that there is probable cause to believe:

1) that any transaction in any matter since mm/dd/yyyy was using FRNs, where mm/dd/yyyy is the date that the first demand for lawful money and full discharge for all transactions was recorded in a banking transaction that constitutes non-hearsay evidence of same;

2) that the demand for lawful money cannot be made in any manner, form and frequency as anyone desires, given that there is no CFR regulation for 12 USC 411 that governs the execution of same;

3) that the demand for lawful money is not required to comply with 12 USC 95a(2) in order to reduce the national debt;

4) that, absent the nexus of being in contract with the Federal Reserve System, there is any other contract in place granting you authority or my consent in this instant matter;

Perhaps, you could print the above items on a business card and keep that in your wallet...

IMO, the one making a claim bears the burden of proof, and would have to answer those questions.

[shelbyz33]

IMO, they need to rebut your evidence that is on record in their system collected in the normal course of banking

If everything is a matter of contract, do a conditional acceptance of any offer they make to you, upon proof of claim that:

1) there is probable cause to believe that any transaction in any matter since mm/dd/yyyy was using FRNs; [where mm/dd/yyyy is the date that your first demand for lawful for all transactions was recorded in a banking transaction]

2) there is probable cause to believe that the demand for lawful money cannot be made in any manner, form and frequency as anyone desires, given that there is no CFR regulation for 12 USC 411 that governs the execution of same;

3) there is probable cause to believe that the demand for lawful money is not required to comply with 12 USC 95a(2) in order to reduce the national debt.


IMO, the one making a claim bears the burden of proof.

Evidence meaning my photo copied checks?

[doug555]

Quote Originally Posted by doug555

IMO, they need to rebut your evidence that is on record in their system collected in the normal course of banking transactions.

If everything is a matter of contract, do a conditional acceptance of any offer they make to you, Upon proof of claim that there is probable cause to believe:

Your instant offer to contract with you is conditionally accepted upon proof of claim that there is probable cause to believe:

1) that any transaction in any matter since mm/dd/yyyy was using FRNs, where mm/dd/yyyy is the date that the first demand for lawful money and full discharge for all transactions was recorded in a banking transaction that constitutes non-hearsay evidence of same;

2) that the demand for lawful money cannot be made in any manner, form and frequency as anyone desires, given that there is no CFR regulation for 12 USC 411 that governs the execution of same;

3) that the demand for lawful money is not required to comply with 12 USC 95a(2) in order to reduce the national debt;

4) that, absent the nexus of being in contract with the Federal Reserve System, there is any other contract in place granting you authority or my consent in this instant matter;

Perhaps, you could print the above items on a business card and keep that in your wallet...

IMO, the one making a claim bears the burden of proof, and would have to answer those questions.

Evidence meaning my photo copied checks?

Yes, taken from their online banking system showing their processing markings on it.

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Sure it is All Credit to lawful money June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 685.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/granule/USCODE-2011-title18/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap1-sec8

The congregational law states it is, and it can be redeemed.

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[shelbyz33]

Just went to the actual bank to cash my paycheck ( instead of the grocery store ) . This is the 2nd time going to First Niagara . 1st time not a word . Went through the drive through and seen the female teller take the capsule. About 2 minutes later another person came to the mic and asked me what was on the back of my check. I said excuse me, he asked who wrote this endorsement. I responded with me, all the time. All he said was "that's cool" and that was that. Got my money and drove off.

[JohnnyCash]

I'm simply nervous ...

the problem has been solved by ...

D. Merrill's
Old-Fashioned
REMEDY

I was told that the owner of the company I work at is still going to send the 1099 to the IRS showing what I have been paid. So I took a sample letter from the sedm website to send to my " employer" to get them to not send anything to the IRS so I don't have to deal with them at all. Another question would be since you are also 1099 status, how do you do your year end filings? Or you don't file at all?

You can ask your payer to stop IRS reporting but be careful not to upset or lose your valued relationship. And the 1099 reporting is not a big deal anyway. Experience shows they're just 3rd party hearsay reports easily refuted. Since nothing was withheld from pay, I did not file tax returns for many years - even though I got 1099-MISC reports for some of those years. I filed last year so spouse could get a larger refund. I can't tell you what to do but you might find this thread helpful:

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1405-Get-Your-Billions-Back-America-2014

[ag maniac]

I'm simply nervous about who knows which government agency that comes knocking that a simple defense of " O well I've been redeeming all my checks for lawful money" is going to have enough weight to send them walking. I'd like to kinda always be prepared . So for shit and giggles lets say what .... would you walk around with in your back pocket at all times to always be able to answer or rebut any questions, whenever??

Pretty simple --> stamp all the evidence in your wallet in your back pocket