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    Some [literalists] say it's just a part of it, we've got to fulfill the book......
    When I sacrifice my strength [vanity] then I am weak - and God is STRONG. Amen. God dwells in you. In ALL. Even the Iraqi people, the Chinese, the Russians - for in reality these are merely named trusts - a societal mask. We are ALL children of the most High God.

    When I come to the cave in the mountain - remember Lot- the Higher Mind - then I will ask my Father, the King, if it is okay for me to intercourse with the Holy Spirit - I will ask of Her, my Mother - and she will not withhold that which is good. Try NOT to think about sex and incest - do you see how the lower mind fights against you? Can't you feel it within yourself?

    2Sa 13:1 And it came to pass after this, that Absalom the son of David had a fair sister, whose name was Tamar; and Amnon the son of David loved her.

    2Sa 13:2 And Amnon was so vexed, that he fell sick for his sister Tamar; for she was a virgin; and Amnon thought it hard for him to do any thing to her.

    2Sa 13:3 But Amnon had a friend, whose name was Jonadab, the son of Shimeah David's brother: and Jonadab was a very subtil man.

    2Sa 13:4 And he said unto him, Why art thou, being the king's son, lean from day to day? wilt thou not tell me? And Amnon said unto him, I love Tamar, my brother Absalom's sister.

    2Sa 13:5 And Jonadab said unto him, Lay thee down on thy bed, and make thyself sick: and when thy father cometh to see thee, say unto him, I pray thee, let my sister Tamar come, and give me meat, and dress the meat in my sight, that I may see it, and eat it at her hand.

    2Sa 13:6 So Amnon lay down, and made himself sick: and when the king was come to see him, Amnon said unto the king, I pray thee, let Tamar my sister come, and make me a couple of cakes in my sight, that I may eat at her hand.

    2Sa 13:7 Then David sent home to Tamar, saying, Go now to thy brother Amnon's house, and dress him meat.

    2Sa 13:8 So Tamar went to her brother Amnon's house; and he was laid down. And she took flour, and kneaded it, and made cakes in his sight, and did bake the cakes.

    2Sa 13:9 And she took a pan, and poured them out before him; but he refused to eat. And Amnon said, Have out all men from me. And they went out every man from him.

    2Sa 13:10 And Amnon said unto Tamar, Bring the meat into the chamber, that I may eat of thine hand. And Tamar took the cakes which she had made, and brought them into the chamber to Amnon her brother.


    2Sa 13:11 And when she had brought them unto him to eat, he took hold of her, and said unto her, Come lie with me, my sister.

    2Sa 13:12 And she answered him, Nay, my brother, do not force me; for no such thing ought to be done in Israel: do not thou this folly.

    2Sa 13:13 And I, whither shall I cause my shame to go? and as for thee, thou shalt be as one of the fools in Israel. Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee.

    Comment: Now don't let that ball get under your glove. You gotta keep your eye on the ball. Get it "eyeball".....continuing....Did you just read that? It says that if Amnon would have just asked David, then David would have allowed him to have sex with Tamar. Now clearly reader this is NOT what it means. This sexual act is an act which ALLEGORICALLY speaks to our minds! Let's see if Herod, I mean Amnon will be satisfied to ask David or will he just rush right in to fulfill his desires.

    2Sa 13:14 Howbeit he would not hearken unto her voice: but, being stronger than she, forced her, and lay with her.

    2Sa 13:15 Then Amnon hated her exceedingly; so that the hatred wherewith he hated her was greater than the love wherewith he had loved her. And Amnon said unto her, Arise, be gone.

    2Sa 13:16 And she said unto him, There is no cause: this evil in sending me away is greater than the other that thou didst unto me. But he would not hearken unto her.

    2Sa 13:17 Then he called his servant that ministered unto him, and said, Put now this woman out from me, and bolt the door after her.

    Comment: Now look carefully at v17, when he was done with her he cast her out and locked the door to his carnal house. Do you see what this is telling you? It means he is barring the way into the upper realms of God - Higher Consciousness. And his servants are his CARNAL THOUGHTS. He justifies himself! Now if you are a female reading this - in the analogy the Mind is male [Jacob] with two wives Leah [emotional nature] and Rachel [spiritual nature]. Amnon is the lower mind who thought to force Tamar/Rachel/Rebecca/Sarah. This results in Religion - and puts to death Christ.


    Friends clearly IN THIS ANALOGY David represents the Most High God. Tamar is the Holy Spirit and Amnon is our lower mind! Absalom is our Higher Mind. Haven't you heard, "They THINK to take the Kingdom of God by FORCE". So Amnon rapes his sister, but if he had only ASKED the King, then the King would have allowed it.

    Now c'mon if this is not an allegorical story, then God is a sick pervert. Nevertheless many today have their minds twisted in the literal understandings. The carnal mind takes with force. Look around you friend - what do you see? War, violence, hatred - these are all fruits of the carnal mind.

    Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

    Do not think that the days of John the Baptist were 2000 years ago - John is an aspect of you. And Herod is an aspect of you. Now is the days of John the Baptist.

    Now c'mon if this is not an allegorical story, then God is a sick pervert. Nevertheless many today have their minds twisted in the literal understandings. The carnal mind takes with force.

    And after Amnon gets his way - he does not want a guilty conscience so he throws the woman out. Geez, is there no wonder why men have oppressed the woman for ages in their ignorance, they oppress that which was meant for their good. They just don't understand.

    For just as Lot was in the "cave of the mountain" which is to say in Higher Consciousness - he too was in intercourse with his daughters - notice IN THAT ALLEGORY - again we see the spiritual women of the house. Else, there we go again, a man of God having sex with his daughters - how Holy and righteous Lot is. ABSURD.

    Nevertheless the truth plays out in Nature all around us - thus we are the microcosm and nature the macrocosm. Therefore:

    Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    So the literal words reveal an invisible truth. I would hate to be a woman in the house of a literalist. By oppressing the woman in my house, I oppress myself!

    I am the creator of WAR - within me.

    Shalom,
    MJ
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