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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    Perhaps there is a "world government" that is but the combined Territorial Government of all U.N. Members? A treaty entered into by a low contracting party would only bind it territorially but not 'organically'. The sovereign members of a confederation would remain unaffected by the treaties of the confederation though those treaties might be binding upon the territories thereof--unless the sovereign members ratified such treaties. For example Agend21 and other UN Treaties to knowledge might only apply within the territories of the United States. In 'international law' parties to treaties are expected to know and be aware of the internal mechanisms of the other parties to a treaty.
    I think you might be correct in that statement allodial.

    I purchased a book called “Here Come The Black Helicopters” you can get the best of it here from the Dollar Tree for 1 FRN, the book is written by Dick Morris and his wife Eileen McGann

    Right from the get go they write about “UN Global Governance and the Loss of Freedom”.

    Everything they write about is about the folks at the United Nations and their globalist allies in the United States determined to take away our national sovereignty.

    The author(s) explains that our existing democratic system is outdated and obsolete in this modern globalized world and the players

    The Road to Serfdom

    Wow! Some people are just devastated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    What about lawful money of "The United States" or "UNITED STATES"? Its own board of directors might decide to use a certain paper currency within its corporate boundary. Craft as it were might prosper thru policy.

    This would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The whole planet is run as a business. And we no longer see men and women but at the common law but rather we see employees governed by U.C.C. and policies of the corporation.

    Eventually little boxes will be bought up and become big boxes. And then the board of directors of the single big box will appoint a president to rule them all.

    legal tender is lawful to USE but may not be lawful money. Lawful money is always legal tender.

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    Property placed into trust is a concept that was around into antiquity. For we read at Genesis 25:29-33 that Esau sold his birthright [inheritance] to Jacob. Therefore, this implies a construct for transfer of an estate thru the exchange of consideration. If the trust was made for ourselves and our posterity - then Esau traded his future interest for consideration. This exchange of "future interest" in the Estate not only bound Esau but his heirs as well.

    In Adam all fall from Spiritual life into physical death - fleshly existence; in Christ we are quickened. Therefore in Adam our posterity inherit into death; but in Christ we and our children are made alive into Spirit.

    Adam/Eve submitted and consented to be governed by a created being. This is analogous to accepting a man-king - one we can perceive with our five senses - death. So we see the "tree marker" - the fig - marking transfer of government - yet there was consideration for the exchange - a future benefit - whether or not it has been received - I leave to you to acknowledge.

    Therefore property in its simplest form is RIGHTS. But one must ask - who established those rights? This will lead you to ORIGINS - and you must each stand at the point of Singularity - and determine for yourself - are you created. If you are created then your only possible claim is in the Creator - whereupon said claim is subject to the terms of use established by the Creator. Now then, the only aspect of property that can be exchanged is the FRUITS of the property. For the property belongs to the Creator, but the fruits belong to man.

    Jesus understood this principle explicitly - give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's but give unto God what is God's. This goes to rendering fruits. Which is to say the nature of the Estate in Property. Land is property - Corn is fruit.

    Therefore we see "Do not muzzle the mouth of the oxen that treadeth out the corn".

    Take off the citizen hat and put on the hat of a king and you will see. A trust reposed - is to place all rights inherit in man into a throne. The throne may be setup upon posterity or bloodlines. Therefore we see Adam holding Eve in trust. The two are one. These two form a kingdom. But these two submitted themselves to another. So they no longer had Christ at their head.

    There is nothing new under the sun. Many run to and fro and setup this and that - absent asking the King of kings - thru the Administration of the Kingdom of Heaven - is this the will of The King? Meaning the claim is vassal to the Creator. Is man's claim the will of The King or the lusts of greed?

    We sell ourselves everyday - Esau Company. Therefore that which we hate rules us. Therefore, the problem is internal but will naturally reveal itself in society - therefore one will eventually stand and rule the all.

    The banker naturally desires the first of the fruits as well - fees. But do the sons pay for the sins of their fathers? Not so. Therefore we can overturn all of this in an instance. For one pays tribute to the kingdom in which one undertakes within. One in limited liability will naturally pay tribute [fruit] to the Husbandmen [Ceasar].


    The Earth belongs to the Creator - overlays [venue] is established by man and man's inventions. Is the Kingdom created by man subject to the Administration of the Holy Spirit or the greed of man?

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    The legal title might be in one party or group but the use might be in another party or group. So we can see it is convenient to have a Corporation Sole holding Title as Trustee on behalf of another group - a Church - which acts upon the Use. It is not therefore difficult to see a State holding the Legal Title and the beneficiaries enjoying the USE.

    Therefore the USE can be in a Church and the Ownership in the State.

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  4. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Chex View Post
    ...in the United States determined to take away our national sovereignty.
    I don't suspect the United States (singularity) was ever a sovereign nation in the organic sense--it seems to most always have been the creature of sovereign states. If we go back to the Articles of Association, the United States was a creature of colonies. Consider the case for hen's teeth. Many defending it and seeking to protect but it doesn't exist in the first place. The confederacy named "The United States of America" itself was sovereign only relative to the territory afforded her by the sovereignties which comprised her. The United States's sovereignty was never in respect of its creators but only with respect to that over which it was is sovereign. While the United States might have relative sovereignty with respect to its territories, possessions or districts--it has never had more and can lose no more than it has any more than your neighbor can lose your shoes that he doesn't have. The 50 States of the United States are subdivisions of the United States like counties are to a state. The district courts are akin to state circuit courts.

    The sovereignty the United States has with respect to its territories/districts/possessions is the only sovereignty that it ever had. The District of Columbia is a territory for all practical purposes which is why Congress has plenary power over it.

    During Shay's Rebellion, Geo. Washington sent troops into the district of Pennsylvania. He did not send them into de jure and organic Pennsylvania land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    The sovereignty the United States has with respect to its territories/districts/possessions is the only sovereignty that it ever had. The District of Columbia is a territory for all practical purposes which is why Congress has plenary power over it.
    Plenary power - Interesting
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    I feel that I should mention:


    Update: The comic book from the NY Fed bank is not the attached pamphlet mentioned at the end of the 1981 Letter. I added that for explanation. - Just so you know...

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    Speaking of NY...


    The deeded tracts were called patroonships and could span 16 miles in length on one side of a major river, or 8 miles if spanning both sides. In 1640 the charter was revised to cut new plot sizes in half, and to allow any Dutch American in good standing to purchase an estate. The title of patroon came with powerful rights and privileges. A patroon could create civil and criminal courts, appoint local officials and hold land in perpetuity. In return, he was required by the Dutch West India Company to establish a settlement of at least 50 families within four years on the land.[2] As tenants working for the patroon, these first settlers were relieved of the duty of public taxes for ten years, but were required to pay rent to the patroon. A patroonship sometimes had its own village and other infrastructure, including churches.
    I believe this could be explained in the sense of patroonships--or rather manors or manrialism generally. The patroon (Dutch manor chief) didn't pay rent (another word for taxes). It was tenants of the patron that paid rent to the patroon. A patroonship could have cities, villages, courts, etc. If you say you live in U.S. patroonship or sub-patroonship or sub-patroonship whatever it might be, then what can the patroon expect of ya?

    The largest and most successful patroonship in New Netherland was the Manor of Rensselaerswijck, established by Kiliaen van Rensselaer. Rensselaerswijck covered almost all of present-day Albany and Rensselaer counties and parts of present-day Columbia and Greene counties in New York State.
    Albany's county seat happens to be the capital of the State of New York. The 50 States might be types of patroonships created by the United States (as contrasted with those which created the United States of America).

    Ever notice any new construction projects where the owners are given a tax break for a period as an incentive to purchase property? (*nods*--quite common...even these days)
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsmymoney View Post

    My replies, a few last questions, and a pasted sanitized text version of the letter sent to the Treasury and recorded at the County almost 2 years ago.
    It's funny you went through the commotion of learning how to ATTACH and then you PASTED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    Adam/Eve submitted and consented to be governed by a created being. This is analogous to accepting a man-king - one we can perceive with our five senses - death. So we see the "tree marker" - the fig - marking transfer of government - yet there was consideration for the exchange - a future benefit - whether or not it has been received - I leave to you to acknowledge.
    In private lectures/communications I have shared that it seems rather clear that the 'sin' in the garden of Eden was one of idolatry--that all 'sin' from the Biblical perspective might be idolatry. The statement "That which is not of faith is 'sin'." might translate into -> putting trusting in the carnal = idolatry. Children in Western countries are encouraged to become 'adults'--which is strangely a word reminiscent of 'adultery' which is a word that rhymes with idolatry. The serpent offered exaltation of the creature over the creator--to those who were made in the image of the creator. Jezebel was about exercising authority over men and over the affairs of men--"to be like gods".

    It seems that the "meal ticket" offered by the "New Deal" food price fixing system comes with the siren call of submission to the creations of men. It seems that to redeem scrip for lawful money is to insist on the ship being upright (i.e. creator above creature) rather than upside down (i.e. creature above creator). Into view comes two extremes of types of trust consequences or relationships: [1] creator/grantor/creditor subject to the trust (creature); [2] creator/grantor/creditor remains superior to the trust (creature).
    Last edited by allodial; 01-03-15 at 06:32 PM.
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    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCash View Post
    It's funny you went through the commotion of learning how to ATTACH and then you PASTED.
    Johnny, it certainly wasn't a 'commotion', it was just easier to paste it into the post. I duly noted how to attach a document in my notes, graciously provided by member 'ag maniac'.

    Not sure why you made it a point to mention this.

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