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  1. #31
    Punny that while driving to class it occurred to me:

    If necessary, you could have a mobile notary stop by the DMV. That is, you can just ask them to certify your competence without any intent to get driver's license. Or alternatively, perhaps you can have the DMV certify your competence based on the written test results and the field report from the State Trooper.
    Colorado is what I describe as a Key Money State because of GILPIN's notes in 1861 and such. So this may be unique to Colorado. You do not get a driver license from the DMV here. You get your driver license from the Department of Revenue.

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  2. #32
    The same goes for Missouri. Licenses are through the Missouri Department of Revenue. The Director of Revenue in Missouri has some of the same duties as the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury. IMHO the DL # is the State equivalent of a tax ID number.

    Re: Notice of Sale
    Regarding notice of sale, again, without the notice of sale, the DMV/DoR will hang on to the last known registered owner information. They need notice that the previous owner is no longer owner(surety) on the automobile so that they can de-register. They are aware that automobiles are exported to or purchased in jurisdictions where the buyer doesn't have to register. For example, someone can purchase a 2015 pickup truck and use exclusively on a private racetrack or a farm--no plates needed. The notice of sale to the previous State of registration notifies them of the change. Having the previous owner sign it and include their DL # is a good idea IMHO. It might not hurt to send a copy of the bill of sale or bill of assignment as an enclosure.

    The notice of sale signed by the new owner and the former owner should serve to prevent them from going back the last known owner.
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    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    The same goes for Missouri. Licenses are through the Missouri Department of Revenue. The Director of Revenue in Missouri has some of the same duties as the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury. IMHO the DL # is the State equivalent of a tax ID number.

    Re: Notice of Sale
    Regarding notice of sale, again, without the notice of sale, the DMV/DoR will hang on to the last known registered owner information. They need notice that the previous owner is no longer owner(surety) on the automobile so that they can de-register. They are aware that automobiles are exported to or purchased in jurisdictions where the buyer doesn't have to register. For example, someone can purchase a 2015 pickup truck and use exclusively on a private racetrack or a farm--no plates needed. The notice of sale to the previous State of registration notifies them of the change. Having the previous owner sign it and include their DL # is a good idea IMHO. It might not hurt to send a copy of the bill of sale or bill of assignment as an enclosure.

    The notice of sale signed by the new owner and the former owner should serve to prevent them from going back the last known owner.
    DMV and DoR distinction flavors the whole deal with DISTRICT jurisdiction.

    I am not sure I can explain it briefly better than you just did.

    The distortion in thinking is that one re-registers the automobile, but simply replies "That is private." when asked what the sale amount is for. What you are talking about is removing plates. Colorado has the same (uniform laws) doctrine of "Last Registered Owner" as far as process goes.

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    REMEMBER/REMEDY/REDEMPTION


    The point being that I could already be driving the State's automobile, registered as the trustee (for the purpose of settling Charges) in "my" legal or full name, and sell it and re-register it to me (the True Me in Jesus CHRIST, CHRIST Jesus balanced right/left male/female) I AM, for a private amount. I come out, through my shadow material with awakened genome having biblical prophecy (alpha/omega) time being an illusion, actually owning the vehicle. See that there is no property tax? - But fair is responsible so I am still paying for bridges and road use?

    This is the Quickening into eternal - the Holy Instant sustainable.

    When you look at it simply though, you have to create the car to own it.

    If you keep the Creator of the car out there, then the Creator of the car owns the car - out there.

    IS THE STATE YOUR GOD?

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    A suitor keeps this Vitruvian Man image in his office. I hear that the length of one side of the Pentagram is about how long a single strand of DNA is stretched out full length. - Big Surprise! It is only four complex molecules thick though, so you can bunch this incredible amount of information into the nucleus of a cell if you wad it back up - this double helix. Even so, you prayed it into existence with an electron microscope...

    That is the interface between Mind and Form.

    So forget about the engineers and geneticists who invented the electron microscope through which to pray. Let's think about that table upon which the electron microscope sets. 14K years ago a fellow kept bumping his knees into the side of the rock where he had plopped his dinner. Every time he thought more about dinner than his knees he was uncomfortable with how the hard rock kept making him unhappy during dinner so he moved the tree stump to a part of the rock where it was more recessed and gave more room to move his knees. There you have some of that "junk DNA".

    That fellow still lives and sometimes even mutters to you in dreams and visions. But everybody who has refined and manufactured tables since is supplying the illusion the electron microscope is really setting atop a table for you to pray for a glimpse of the Interface where You/I AM are creating the universe, is alive in you, in that 6.5' of Information.

    For me, Time was the measured disintegration of energy into matter as witnessed through fleshy eyes. Then when I was 40 I invented a time machine and now God is love because the Holy Spirit always delivers the correct interpretation out of the infinite sea of information in allegorical metaphor created by the ego.


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  4. #34
    P.S. It follows that God is between your dreams.

    We spend a third of life here horizontal and about half of that dreaming. This dream so easily confused with reality is simply a formally directed play dictated by ego from conditioned conscious memory and genetic interplay (genome) while what we commonly call dreaming (while asleep) is just a less formally directed rendition of the same on our daily way to that place between our dreams, a sixth of our lives where we commune with God and get rest.

    This is the part of our day when our ego is not, so we are I AM. It is when we are refreshed from the rigors of the ego.

  5. #35
    [ORDER of Suspension of [Drivers Licence] and Disqualification From Holding or Obtaining a Licence ] I got this letter in July the Sheriff or the Clerk, pursuant
    to subsection 6.2(2) of the Summary Proceedings Act
    may request the Registrar to suspend the [driver’s license] until
    the fine is paid and the Registrar shall, upon such direction or request,
    suspend the license until that time. So i ask myself do i hold or did i ever hold a valid DRIVERS what it says Driver Licence on my DRIVERS LICENCE what sum or presumption of frozen left brain Proceedings Act shall the pluralistic S just add S for the posterous Driver or Apostrophes are not used for possessive pronouns or noun plurals what is a driver’s licence without possessive pronouns or noun plurals
    by the addition of the following:
    The Registrar shall not issue, renew or reinstate a driver’s
    licence or registration which has been suspended, revoked or not issued,
    reinstated or renewed pursuant to subsection (2), notwithstanding an
    order for a time extension for payment issued by the court which issued
    the fine. If i have no point please enjoy this pluralistic moment. so My ORDER of Suspension of [Drivers Licence] and Disqualification From Holding or Obtaining a Licence this is the heading and all cap NAME below it. can it be that one [S] includes just all any DRIVER is a collection

  6. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    DMV and DoR distinction flavors the whole deal with DISTRICT jurisdiction.
    In a system where all of the capital (trees) is underwriting the currency, perhaps only re-venue or fruit can be expected rather than new capital at a certain point in that system.

    The distortion in thinking is that one re-registers the automobile, but simply replies "That is private." when asked what the sale amount is for. What you are talking about is removing plates. Colorado has the same (uniform laws) doctrine of "Last Registered Owner" as far as process goes.
    Well that is the thing, everyone seems to look to the seller to "do it for them" and fail to realize that they can re-assign the property to their tastes at any time. That mindset about being gummed up over "what someone else didn't do" rather than making it so for oneself. No offense, that is what over-feminization (i.e. sans masculinity) of a society does--boys seeing feral moms as role models and diligent dads as dickheads (siding with Esau instead of Jacob).

    As to the amount being private, if its only a transfer of capital without additional revenues (i.e. $0.00) then it should be no tax and in the sense that since a taxable event isn't invoked its not a public matter.

    The point being that I could already be driving the State's automobile, registered as the trustee (for the purpose of settling Charges) in "my" legal or full name, and sell it and re-register it to me (the True Me in Jesus CHRIST, CHRIST Jesus balanced right/left male/female) I AM, for a private amount. I come out, through my shadow material with awakened genome having biblical prophecy (alpha/omega) time being an illusion, actually owning the vehicle. See that there is no property tax? - But fair is responsible so I am still paying for bridges and road use?
    If you say its in the State owned by a resident of the State or of the United States, then that is why the property is seen as the State's. They are presuming the property is from a UN/US transferee to a UN/US transferor. Consider the soundness of a whole society of becoming accustomed to leaving their luggage on the luggage conveyor while they travel (and even when they get back home) and then being unhappy and shouting threats at "the elite" should their stuff disappear from time to time. (Like papers + desk + fan without paperweights or aiming the fan just right, whose fault is it really?)

    Note: there is a state that explains exactly how to deregister certain type of property. I posted the code long ago, so many people ignored it, still asking how to do it. Its related to what you posted. Hint: they had to do something involving themselves and no one else. Too simple maybe?

    When you look at it simply though, you have to create the car to own it.
    I suspect that a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE is really just a certificate of ownership (i.e. suretyship in respect of an automobile). NJ, WA and maybe a few other states are at least honest about that by titling the form application form "Application for Certificate of Ownership" or the like. But if you think about it, its the statement or affidavit of ownership that you are creating by way of the application that they observe as evidence as being sufficient enough to present you with the certificate. In Missouri its an "APPLICATION FOR MISSOURI TITLE AND LICENSE". In New Jersey its "APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF OWNERSHIP". What some people might miss is that the application (and not just the bill of sale + signed-over certificate of title) itself is evidence of ownership that the applicant makes himself.

    A key point is that in Missouri you are led to believe that you are requesting title when really on the application you are asserting ownership of the vehicle (i.e. creating evidence), which they use as evidence in support of issuing tags and a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE. So you think they gave you the title when what they really did is certify your certification of ownership. (For a real learning experience, lurk in forums where those guys buy military surplus vehicles and get SF-97 and the process they have to go through to get a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE from a state--the SF-97 is equivalent of an MCO or MSO).

    In other words, it seems quite clear title is abstract, its not necessarily something you hold in your hands. You can hold evidence of title in your head or in your hands or under your tongue I suppose? The description of the thing isn't the thing itself. If you want it in reality, then who has to make that happen?

    If you keep the Creator of the car out there, then the Creator of the car owns the car - out there.
    If you ignore that real men created the car (instead believing the lie that GM made it or some faceless, lifeless, cartoon character made it), then you keep it out there in la-la land too. At one point I realized one thing is that is sold is the opportunity to be thankless and pretend like things don't come from other men or from God to the sense that you can simply buy things without any thanks or attribution to an man somewhere that labored. To be honest, I suspect women like to be able to purchase things without recognizing some man labored to produce it--its an ego thing, having no one to thank even if sweat and fingerprints are all over it. Thusly, selling fictions is big business. Lies as as bribe-gifts to stay asleep.

    IS THE STATE YOUR GOD?
    If in God we live, and move, and have our being, how could I possibly live in the State?
    Last edited by allodial; 11-22-15 at 03:02 PM.
    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by xparte View Post
    [ORDER of Suspension of [Drivers Licence] and Disqualification From Holding or Obtaining a Licence ] I got this letter in July the Sheriff or the Clerk, pursuant to subsection 6.2(2) of the Summary Proceedings Act may request the Registrar to suspend the [driver’s license] until the fine is paid and the Registrar shall, upon such direction or request, suspend the license until that time. So i ask myself do i hold or did i ever hold a valid DRIVERS what it says Driver Licence on my DRIVERS LICENCE what sum or presumption of frozen left brain Proceedings Act shall the pluralistic S just add S for the posterous Driver or Apostrophes are not used for possessive pronouns or noun plurals what is a driver’s licence without possessive pronouns or noun plurals by the addition of the following:

    The Registrar shall not issue, renew or reinstate a driver’s licence or registration which has been suspended, revoked or not issued, reinstated or renewed pursuant to subsection (2), notwithstanding an order for a time extension for payment issued by the court which issued the fine. If i have no point please enjoy this pluralistic moment. so My ORDER of Suspension of [Drivers Licence] and Disqualification From Holding or Obtaining a Licence this is the heading and all cap NAME below it. can it be that one [S] includes just all any DRIVER is a collection
    The only proper use of judgment is how it makes you feel. If you feel the joy, peace and love then it is of the Holy Spirit. If not then you are feeding and feeding off of fear.

    I have called it a driver license and seldom make the mistake of referring to the Card as "mine". I carry it in the glove box and only use it for identification when I have to, like for banking. But that will always bite you in the butt!

    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    In a system where all of the capital (trees) is underwriting the currency, perhaps only re-venue or fruit can be expected rather than new capital at a certain point in that system.

    Redemption.

    Well that is the thing, everyone seems to look to the seller to "do it for them" and fail to realize that they can re-assign the property to their tastes at any time. That mindset about being gummed up over "what someone else didn't do" rather than making it so for oneself. No offense, that is what over-feminization (i.e. sans masculinity) of a society does--boys seeing feral moms as role models and diligent dads as dickheads (siding with Esau instead of Jacob).

    God is I AM.

    As to the amount being private, if its only a transfer of capital without additional revenues (i.e. $0.00) then it should be no tax and in the sense that since a taxable event isn't invoked its not a public matter.

    Thank you. I had not thought it through that filter. The Trustee hands it over to the beneficiary in fee simple.

    If you say its in the State owned by a resident of the State or of the United States, then that is why the property is seen as the State's. They are presuming the property is from a UN/US transferee to a UN/US transferor. Consider the soundness of a whole society of becoming accustomed to leaving their luggage on the luggage conveyor while they travel (and even when they get back home) and then being unhappy and shouting threats at "the elite" should their stuff disappear from time to time. (Like papers + desk + fan without paperweights or aiming the fan just right, whose fault is it really?)

    Note: there is a state that explains exactly how to deregister certain type of property. I posted the code long ago, so many people ignored it, still asking how to do it. Its related to what you posted. Hint: they had to do something involving themselves and no one else. Too simple maybe?

    How you think of it is how it is if you own it.

    I suspect that a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE is really just a certificate of ownership (i.e. suretyship in respect of an automobile). NJ, WA and maybe a few other states are at least honest about that by titling the form application form "Application for Certificate of Ownership" or the like. But if you think about it, its the statement or affidavit of ownership that you are creating by way of the application that they observe as evidence as being sufficient enough to present you with the certificate. In Missouri its an "APPLICATION FOR MISSOURI TITLE AND LICENSE". In New Jersey its "APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF OWNERSHIP". What some people might miss is that the application (and not just the bill of sale + signed-over certificate of title) itself is evidence of ownership that the applicant makes himself.

    A key point is that in Missouri you are led to believe that you are requesting title when really on the application you are asserting ownership of the vehicle (i.e. creating evidence), which they use as evidence in support of issuing tags and a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE. So you think they gave you the title when what they really did is certify your certification of ownership. (For a real learning experience, lurk in forums where those guys buy military surplus vehicles and get SF-97 and the process they have to go through to get a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE from a state--the SF-97 is equivalent of an MCO or MSO).

    In other words, it seems quite clear title is abstract, its not necessarily something you hold in your hands. You can hold evidence of title in your head or in your hands or under your tongue I suppose? The description of the thing isn't the thing itself. If you want it in reality, then who has to make that happen?

    Those men you mention. - And women too. Consider the differences in the DNA chain, the double helix as minutia. They are right there inside the cellular memory that enables the ego to create the delusional state of separateness.

    If you ignore that real men created the car (instead believing the lie that GM made it or some faceless, lifeless, cartoon character made it), then you keep it out there in la-la land too. At one point I realized one thing is that is sold is the opportunity to be thankless and pretend like things don't come from other men or from God to the sense that you can simply buy things without any thanks or attribution to an man somewhere that labored. To be honest, I suspect women like to be able to purchase things without recognizing some man labored to produce it--its an ego thing, having no one to thank even if sweat and fingerprints are all over it. Thusly, selling fictions is big business. Lies as as bribe-gifts to stay asleep.

    Herein lies the difference between the Board of Officers and Shareholders owning the corporation - 501(c)(3) and the Trustee/Owner of the 508(c)(1)(A) Mandatory Exception for churches and associations of churches truly owning. - Even to the point where the beneficiaries all sign endorsement of the trust certificates back to the owner in trust.

    If in God we live, and move, and have our being, how could I possibly live in the State?

    I view this recently as God honoring your choice of debt/death/doubt or Life = remedy/redemption/remember (that God loves you). If you choose sin, then death you get.

  8. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    The only proper use of judgment is how it makes you feel. If you feel the joy, peace and love then it is of the Holy Spirit.
    That is the mindset of the Leftists; only they leave out the "Holy Spirit" part. A very scary way to live life - if it feels good, do it.

    That is the model used by those who justify their narcissism - without a moral standard from on High, then anyone can justify ANYTHING as long as it makes one "feel good". Murderers, rapists, torturers, thieves, enslavers, etc. can all "feel good" by these actions if it profits them.

    Feelings are relative to each individual which in turn renders said feelings as merely opinions. I say murder is good because it brings me happiness in form of earthly riches. You say it is bad because it snuffs out innocent life? Without a moral standard from a Supreme Being Higher than us, who can say who is right and who is wrong? Answer, no one.

    Very scary indeed.

  9. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Herein lies the difference between the Board of Officers and Shareholders owning the corporation - 501(c)(3) and the Trustee/Owner of the 508(c)(1)(A) Mandatory Exception for churches and associations of churches truly owning. - Even to the point where the beneficiaries all sign endorsement of the trust certificates back to the owner in trust.
    I came across a source, and I don't recall it right now, that suggested the original colonies were churches.
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    I have over a period of a couples of years (a few years ago) been stopped and ticketed for no DL and no insurance three times building up a pile of fines that they placed on the dL/account.
    The DL # is the same as the account #.

    It never is cancelled because after they take their DL away from you they still place the charges on the DL.account #.
    The account never closes even when they say you have no DL. Go figure.

    So every six months i would get a statement from them saying I have a pile of outstanding fine.
    So one day ( a couple years ago now) I took the new statement and paste over the address window on the envelope and put a new address on it.

    "Forward to the legal owners and trustee of the name"
    then I put the vital stats office of the province my birth was recorded in.

    Never heard or received anything from the DL agents again.

    What I want to do but have not yet is check the DL/account # at a insurance place to see if the chargers are still on it or even if the account still exists.

    I also wonder about inactive accounts falling dormant. Meaning no new chargers or me begging for a privilege activates the statute of limitations.

    After all even the SIN/SSN go dormant after not being used for five years and they need to be reactivated.

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