I am unaware of it being repealed. As I mentioned, diplomatic credentials were handed out by states in the 80s until the Office of Foreign Missions was established. AFAIK, that didn't necessarily mean the states couldn't do it anymore just that the OFM started doing it so they didn't have to.Originally Posted by Jethro
Consider the significance that all U.S.A. Secretaries of State issue Apostilles rather than one. Apostilles are diplomatic in nature.
Last edited by allodial; 10-26-15 at 02:01 AM.
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"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.
If that's the case, it would serve as very strong evidence that there are at least two citizenships available for the purposes of a passport -- U.S. citizen and State Citizen. It would also imply there is a choice between the two, and the choice made is voluntarily.
It would be fantastic to find out for sure if it's been repealed, and if not, find each State's equivalent and start making passport requests at the State level!
There is plenty of case history. Citizenship with respect to a state still exists to this day. Distinct from citizenship is nationality. And yes one can volunteer into U.S. citizenship--a Citizen of one of the several states can volunteer into the U.S. Army for example.
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"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.
I agree. If these statutes remain unrepealed, that means a "State Citizen" can apply for a passport via his State; and that the State must provide him such a passport.
Unless, of course, none of the original States are in operation anymore.
They are still in operation. Also, there be Nationals not just Citizens.
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"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.
state or federal, does it matter?
still property that is not yours.
what is a passport? (beyond the definitions)
to me its ownership,
after all its just ID'ing what jurisdiction is responsible for the user/holder.
If there is verbiage on it that says that its your private property, how that would ring true? Its not just "ID" it contains the order to allow passage to the one identified. Organic state or Federal , big difference. In Germany, there are the lander (states) which created the German Democratic Republic. There is a similar setup there.
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"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.
If that's the case, AND the state statutes permitting state-issued passports remain unrepealed, then the states must issue such passports to those who request them.
This is worth looking into further.
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