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    But the earth became (or "had become") without form, and void".
    “Without form, and void" has been translated from the Hebrew phrase "tohu vav bohu". The words tohu and bohu are also found in Isaiah 34:11, but is there interpreted differently;
    Isaiah 34:11 "But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion (tohu) and the stones of emptiness (bohu)."
    Thus “tohu” can also mean "confused", and “bohu” can mean “empty”. "Confused" and "without form" share in common a lack of order, in a place where there should be order. Perhaps, then, the text could be read as follows; "But the earth was in disarray, and empty".
    Jeremiah 4:23-26 also uses the phrase "tohu vav bohu", as follows:
    “I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form (tohu), and void (bohu); and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.”
    You will notice that this verse describes the Earth as it would have been at the time of Genesis 1:2;
    1. The Earth is described as "formless and void" (or "in disarray and empty")
    2. There was no man
    3. There were no birds
    What is interesting, though, is that it refers to cities, and what's more it seems these cities had received judgment from The Lord - "all the cities thereof were broken down (in disarray) at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger". Perhaps these cities represented the homes of the angels who had fallen.
    The word "choshek" has been interpreted as "darkness", and when we read it we assume this is a natural darkness (i.e. before the creation of natural light), but the word "choshek" is also used in Exodus 10:21 to describe the darkness The Lord brought upon Egypt, which was so dark it could be felt. The word "tehown" has been translated as "the deep", but is in fact the same word (Greek abussos – abyss) used to refer to the home of demons and evil spirits, the place from which the anti-Christ emerges.
    Thus, again, Genesis 1:2 could be read
    "But the earth was in disarray, and empty; and spiritual darkness was upon the face of the demonic realm."The ancient Hebrew seer laments:"In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood. And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment" (Isaiah 59:13-15). Learn of the only one who can and will give justice to all.The plain truth website digs up some dirt on formless and void again discovering the truth has more to do with ignorance and education on best how to avoid it and ig noring it.Christ was without tenure or professorship turning tables and education over is political suicide for ignoring upsetting our ignorance thus college Theoretical observations of Language and Logic, and in practical and spiritual truths, as his Tutor shall require,a philosophy and philapathy A person feeling philapathy may or may not be right depending on the circumstance. However, philapathy is an imaginative sense nonetheless.A latin mass and a moral confusion a Harvard and a have not. no hidden tuition with Christ be as free as ignorance or as far from it as Christ.good and evil is where ones knowledge is professed.
    We know this is not the FIRST ESTATE of man for that would mean there is a grave error in the Bible - Ref Isaiah 45:18. But consider the base nature of man's consciousness - how art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer. Man likes to externalize himself and point the finger at others. But now we see the five aspects of carnality which brought man low into Base Consciousness. Man fell from the Mountain into the Valley of the Shadow of Death.

    There was never and will never be a "talking snake". This is the Central Nervous System in man. Man choose to experience this Planet Eden thru this Carnal Nature. A reset thusly was made roughly about 12k years back.

    In the Scripture Man is a Title. A Man is one who is Spiritually Conscious. Dominion is therefore granted to Man NOT the beasts of the field - those who walk in base consciousness! Clearly there is a problem with the historical model. Human's today cannot get close to building the structures of yesteryear and some would have that we are at the peak of technology? Hardly.

    Nothing leaves the law boundary of the Husbandman! All things are made subject to His Dominion.

    Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

    Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

    Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
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