"Lawful Money" definition? attn:David

[David Merrill]

I dont think your on the right track David, you have proven it!

That caught my attention. Thank you!

I will import a skeptical comment from a probable attorney,

Marty said: If I go into any bank or credit union and endorse for lawful money, can I cash the check? Do they have lawful money to give me right then? What if the check is drawn on another bank, can it be cashed or deposited? Do I have to surrender the check cashing charge? Can an LLC account endorse for lawful money??

J. Elliot said: Sure, Marty. You can go to a bank or credit union and endorse for lawful money and cash your check. You'll get FRNs. If you redeem FRNs for lawful money, you get FRNs. There's no special account. There's no discharge of tax obligation. Nothing happens but the receiving of newer, crisper Federal Reserve Notes.

The US government doesn't even carry US Notes anymore. They discontinued them more like 15 years ago. Go to one of the Federal Reserve Banks and ask for US Notes...and they'll direct you to their museum where they keep lone examples of all the discontinued currency.

Don't take my word for it. Call them and ask them yourself.

David Merrill said: Looking at J. Elliot's response it comes to mind that you have prompted what you got. Do not endorse private credit from the Fed at all. Demand lawful money and if you deposit your paycheck, or any part of it that is a special deposit - not a special account. Your money sets in the bank's vault and cannot be used for fractional lending or to increase the national debt.


Get a look - http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/160...40/hINHdm.jpg?

My point on that commentary is that by posting the precept incorrectly, the reflection was incorrect.

It is about my thinking all right!

Congress says:

They (Federal Reserve notes from two sentences earlier) shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand...

The courts say:

US notes shall be lawful money.
Federal Reserve notes may be redeemed in lawful money.

Also,

Federal Reserve notes are not money per se...

And...

Private credit notes have a residual lien... There is a distinction between a debt discharged and a debt paid.

The Gospel of Pragmatism might help you understand how my mind operates. From my perspective above, the courts do what courts do and that is always to define and describe terms like "lawful money" for Congress or the State General Assembly, accurately.

Finding of fact.

You might be familiar with my process - Diminished Money Counterclaim. The judge could not recognize value of US notes being diminished by being pegged to the value of FRN's as an actual injury.

[Chex]

A good first step would be to admit to ourselves that we don't really want solutions; what we want is magic:



This is a synopsis of the FRB http://www.richardcassaro.com/how-th...s-enslaved-you

[allodial]

J. Elliot said: Sure, Marty. You can go to a bank or credit union and endorse for lawful money and cash your check. You'll get FRNs. If you redeem FRNs for lawful money, you get FRNs. There's no special account. There's no discharge of tax obligation. Nothing happens but the receiving of newer, crisper Federal Reserve Notes.

Attorney word confusion..."endorse for lawful money", "cash the check" ...instead... we redeem for lawful money ("Casino exit strategy"), we present draft drawn on the bank rather than "cashing". Cashing a check is what you do when you present a draft to a bank that is drawn on a different back and want cash.

U.S. notes might be in book entry form nowadays.

You might be familiar with my process - Diminished Money Counterclaim. The judge could not recognize value of US notes being diminished by being pegged to the value of FRN's as an actual injury.

It might also be worth considering the notion of the gold in the general market as being leased into the market by the U.S.

A good first step would be to admit to ourselves that we don't really want solutions; what we want is magic....

There was a guy who posted on one of the older sites who suggested the FRB to be a system for working black magic.

[JohnnyCash]

I'm sorry you haven't found a solution nor success. No magic needed. The clues & keys are all over this website. Just start redeeming lawful money and the rest will likely fall into place. Look for posts by David Merrill & Michael Joseph and you're assured of value. Look, if someone as whimsical and crazy as me can become an 8-year success then there's hope for you too.

[Robert Henry]

You might consider that what it means to YOU is more important that what it means to THEM.

Glad to see others coming to comprehension and the word spreading.

This might help: http://www.morningliberty.com/2014/0...y-slave-notes/

[george]

It might be worth considering the type of authority being wielded

always, and a major subject that requires more study. "authority"

If you want to be specific about lawful money you can say that you mean lawful money per the Coinage Act of 1792

thats good!

Congress says:
They (Federal Reserve notes from two sentences earlier) shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand...[/I]

about that part in parenthesis, I recall that you had previously indicated that the "They" is the people and not the paper?

There was a guy who posted on one of the older sites who suggested the FRB to be a system for working black magic.

depending on the definition of black magic he could be right, seems to me its much worse than that though. the whole system/matrix seems to be.

I'm sorry you haven't found a solution nor success. No magic needed. The clues & keys are all over this website. Just start redeeming lawful money and the rest will likely fall into place. Look for posts by David Merrill & Michael Joseph and you're assured of value. Look, if someone as whimsical and crazy as me can become an 8-year success then there's hope for you too.

hi JohnnyCash thanks but your success is seemingly only a small part of David's philosophy/methodology. like I said before, its really not about the money but the "money" is the key.

You might consider that what it means to YOU is more important that what it means to THEM.

Glad to see others coming to comprehension and the word spreading.

This might help: http://www.morningliberty.com/2014/0...y-slave-notes/

hi Robert Henry,

that is most important but only to me and it doesnt translate.


thanks

[allodial]

This might help put things in perspective: Concentration camp money.

Related:

• Concentration Camp Money: 'Lagergeld' used to Pay Prisoners for Their Work
• lagergeld (definition)
• Theresienstadt (Terezin) Ghetto (World and Military Notes website)
• New World Banking Order?
• Star of Remphan/Ramadan?

[Robert Henry]

but only to me and it doesnt translate.

This sentiment, perhaps, expresses the root of the trouble.

All the "research" only yields the opinions of others. I believe that one can only come to comprehension through experience.

[shelbyz33]

Are the few people here that are having success with the redemption method, sending cover letters with their year end tax forms and stating their beliefs and explaining what they're doing??

[David Merrill]

I imagine that the "few people here" would answer that best.

My response is that there are many people now, who are not suitors in brain trust redeeming lawful money and receiving full refunds of withholdings. There is an innate sense of self preservation so that this will continue year after year and so they do not promote their success over the Internet.

I know this because as they get into other legal messes of various kinds they call on me about the other legal messes. So I walk them through becoming the court of record and we investigate oaths of office and examine the Register (summary) of Action and look for fatal flaws in process to put on the record so that the prosecutor/judge backs down for being a court not of record/vacant office whatever...

This is as it should be. I find it much more engaging to salvage children from Protective Services and such.

In answer to your question however, I think that some paychecks demonstrating non-endorsement are attached but I have long quit advising trying to explain law to attorneys. You waste your breath. The evidence repositories are almost exclusively for the testimony of the attorneys, mainly the ones wearing black robes.