endorsing and SS.......a big question!

[stoneFree]

Calm down Jay, have you forgotten I'm immune to your venom. Yes, "employee" is expansive to include the private sector. This is a scam. Of course its operators would expand it to include as many as possible. The trust was opened up in 193X so anyone could endorse Fed Reserve credit and become subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

I know you must be feeling down and discouraged at not gaining any traction here. Your attempts to sow discord & division haven't worked. And you haven't steered anyone away from our lawful money remedy found at 12 USC 411.

[jesse james]

Calm down Jay, have you forgotten I'm immune to your venom. Yes, "employee" is expansive to include the private sector. This is a scam. Of course its operators would expand it to include as many as possible. The trust was opened up in 193X so anyone could endorse Fed Reserve credit and become subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

I know you must be feeling down and discouraged at not gaining any traction here. Your attempts to sow discord & division haven't worked. And you haven't steered anyone away from our lawful money remedy found at 12 USC 411.

See you are confused.................first you say "yes" it does expand to encompass the private sector. Then in the very next sentence you call it a scam!
How can it be a scam when clearly the black letter law says career government employees cannot participate in Social Security.

And since you allow your ego to do your talking show the statute or any wording in the Reserve Act remotely suggesting endorsing fiat reserve note subjects the entity endorsing the fiat to the jurisdiction thereof!
Jurisdiction of what!!!!!!!!!?
Banks are not political bodies consisting of boundaries and land.
I want to see this libra.
First of all Libra "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" comes directly from the 14th amendment and its the only Constitutional amendment establishing a second class citizen.
You know as I know the reserve act has no wording like this anywhere within the act.
No Congressional Act has ever had "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" wording ever. The Constitution doesnt grant Congress or anyone that kind of authority. The US Constitution is the only document having that kind of authority and it only gets that kind of authority by the People through ratification........not territorial Congressional acts.
Just so you dont twist what I'm saying around. Congress gets its authority from the US Constitution. If you notice its an amendment to the law of the land that has authority....not congress!
So in essence you are saying by endorsing alone brings the entity under the jurisdiction of Congress or the board of reserve bank Govenors................. what is it you are saying?
If so then what you are saying is that since the US dollar is the worlds reserve currency then every country trading in US dollars is subject to the Reseve banks or Congress?

Hahahahahaha.........
Please by all means explain this smelly pile of dung!
I have to ask......did you fall asleep or daydream in government class?

[motla68]

See you are confused.................first you say "yes" it does expand to encompass the private sector. Then in the very next sentence you call it a scam!
How can it be a scam when clearly the black letter law says career government employees cannot participate in Social Security.

And since you allow your ego to do your talking show the statute or any wording in the Reserve Act remotely suggesting endorsing fiat reserve note subjects the entity endorsing the fiat to the jurisdiction thereof!
Jurisdiction of what!!!!!!!!!?
Banks are not political bodies consisting of boundaries and land.
I want to see this libra.
First of all Libra "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" comes directly from the 14th amendment and its the only Constitutional amendment establishing a second class citizen.
You know as I know the reserve act has no wording like this anywhere within the act.
No Congressional Act has ever had "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" wording ever. The Constitution doesnt grant Congress or anyone that kind of authority. The US Constitution is the only document having that kind of authority and it only gets that kind of authority by the People through ratification........not territorial Congressional acts.
Just so you dont twist what I'm saying around. Congress gets its authority from the US Constitution. If you notice its an amendment to the law of the land that has authority....not congress!
So in essence you are saying by endorsing alone brings the entity under the jurisdiction of Congress or the board of reserve bank Govenors................. what is it you are saying?
If so then what you are saying is that since the US dollar is the worlds reserve currency then every country trading in US dollars is subject to the Reseve banks or Congress?

Hahahahahaha.........
Please by all means explain this smelly pile of dung!
I have to ask......did you fall asleep or daydream in government class?

Just to name a couple for your benefit:

"" H.R. 1363, the "Citizenship Reform Act of 1995," exemplifies the various legislative proposals before the committees. The stated purpose of the bill is "to deny automatic citizenship at birth to children born in the United States to parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens." Section 3(a) of the bill amends section 301(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which grants U.S. citizenship "at birth" to all persons "born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." Specifically, section 3(a) proposes to define the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" to include only children born to U.S. citizens or permanent resident aliens. ""

AMENDMENT XIV

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[jesse james]

Just to name a couple for your benefit:

"" H.R. 1363, the "Citizenship Reform Act of 1995," exemplifies the various legislative proposals before the committees. The stated purpose of the bill is "to deny automatic citizenship at birth to children born in the United States to parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens." Section 3(a) of the bill amends section 301(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which grants U.S. citizenship "at birth" to all persons "born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." Specifically, section 3(a) proposes to define the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" to include only children born to U.S. citizens or permanent resident aliens. ""

AMENDMENT XIV

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Did you happen to notice that the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is preestablished by the Constitution and not by Congress?
Congress doesnt have that authority to make subjects...............the people do through their Trust called the Constitution.
Congress references the Constitution as the authority.

Anyone here notice the only condition to being a "US citizen"?
Notice in section 1 of the 14th amendment the comma after United States.

You can be born and naturalized all day long, but you have to be subject to the jurisdiction thereof before becoming a US citizen.
Now ask yourself..............why do they ask for your permission all the time.......like signing a W4 agreement or SS5.
Why a W4 before the start of every new job?
Because you have to submit to being a lower class of citizen where congress has jurisdiction to tax and regulate you.

A State citizen is the People above their created government.
A "US citizen" is a subject.

“We have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of it’s own...”
United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

“...he was not a citizen of the United States, he was a citizen and voter of the State,...” “One may be a citizen of a State an yet not a citizen of the United States”.
McDonel v. The State, 90 Ind. 320 (1883)

“That there is a citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a state,...”
Tashiro v. Jordan, 201 Cal. 236 (1927)

"A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383

“The governments of the United States and of each state of the several states are distinct from one another. The rights of a citizen under one may be quite different from those which he has under the other”.
Colgate v. Harvey, 296 U.S. 404; 56 S.Ct. 252 (1935)

“There is a difference between privileges and immunities belonging to the citizens of the United States as such, and those belonging to the citizens of each state as such”.
Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41 (1900)

“The rights and privileges, and immunities which the fourteenth constitutional amendment and Rev. St. section 1979 [U.S. Comp. St. 1901, p. 1262], for its enforcement, were designated to protect, are such as belonging to citizens of the United States as such, and not as citizens of a state”.
Wadleigh v. Newhall 136 F. 941 (1905)

“...rights of national citizenship as distinct from the fundamental or natural rights inherent in state citizenship”.
Madden v. Kentucky, 309 U.S. 83: 84 L.Ed. 590 (1940)

[motla68]

Did you happen to notice that the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is preestablished by the Constitution and not by Congress?
Congress doesnt have that authority to make subjects...............the people do through their Trust called the Constitution.
Congress references the Constitution as the authority.

Anyone here notice the only condition to being a "US citizen"?
Notice in section 1 of the 14th amendment the comma after United States.

You can be born and naturalized all day long, but you have to be subject to the jurisdiction thereof before becoming a US citizen.
Now ask yourself..............why do they ask for your permission all the time.......like signing a W4 agreement or SS5.
Why a W4 before the start of every new job?
Because you have to submit to being a lower class of citizen where congress has jurisdiction to tax and regulate you.

A State citizen is the People above their created government.
A "US citizen" is a subject.

Predate, man before a citizen, Gen 1:26. Person being an after thought. Who helped in the creation of the person for their benefit?

[jesse james]

Predate, man before a citizen, Gen 1:26. Person being an after thought. Who helped in the creation of the person for their benefit?

Are you retarded or what Motla68?
Have you been drinking?

Why are you bringing the Bible into this?
The Bible has nothing to do with you choosing to be a subject of Congresses to apply for Social Security benefits.

[motla68]

Are you retarded or what Motla68?
Have you been drinking?

Why are you bringing the Bible into this?
The Bible has nothing to do with you choosing to be a subject of Congresses to apply for Social Security benefits.

LOL.. we are just comparing surveys here correct? Did the Declaration of Independence come first or did the Constitution ?