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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    The DMV is just an agreed upon "statewide recorder" concerning "motor vehicles". Just as those of a particular State may chose to relegate "real estate" records to a particular office in a given county, the same folks chose to make the DMV the "vehicle recorder's office". Its the same recording power but the DMV also might electronically publish information that law enforcement agencies SUBSCRIBE TO. A Notice of Sale of An Automobile notarized and signed by the seller can be handy if you are taking an automobile from public/residential to private. They key thing is, filing the document should also be coupled with service on the DMV type organization from which the related the certificate of title was issued. That is so that the DMV can update their records. There is a process for privatizing an automobile, but I would say that the typical "Patriot Drivel" might be misleading.
    On the latter I am knowledgeable of such things, have even done it myself, i had nothing when traveling, traveled downtown all the time and was never pulled over. There is such language out there to a Bill Of Sale being an MSO. People get too caught up in private and public languages that they loose their way, they forget it is an " interest " in a thing they are transferring. Right of possession is just holding it until the vehicle is transferred somewhere else. Whether money transfer hands or a loaf of bread is separate from the equity interest itself. Once you understand this you can do some amazing things.

    BILL OF SALE, Contracts. An agreement in writing, under seal, by which a man transfers the right or interest he has in goods and cbattels, to another. As the law imports a consideration when an agreement is made by deed, a bill of sale alters the property. Yelv. 196; Cro. Jac. 270 6 Co. 18.
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    As far as I am concerned Yehovah / YHWH owns it all, we are just stewards on the land that was given for "use" as gift. If you believe this then you got to live it everyday, not just when it is convenient. When you come into certain understandings all the public versus private time wasted arguments just drift away in the mind and things become more simplified. The vehicle that I use now has all the things it needs, license, registration, insurance, inspection and I did not sign for any of it. I just wrote " per: Birth Certificate Name ", that is the seal / the name. All using notes with the interest of Lawful Money.

    31 USC 3123
    (a) The faith of the United States Government is pledged to pay, in legal tender, principal and interest on the obligations of the Government issued under this chapter.

    31 USC 5118
    (2) "public debt obligation" means a domestic obligation issued or guaranteed by the United States Government to repay money or interest.

    I am working on procedure currently to settle these matters honorably for end of your information returns when I inform them of their obligations. Let you know of the results as they come in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    On the latter I am knowledgeable of such things, have even done it myself, i had nothing when traveling, traveled downtown all the time and was never pulled over. There is such language out there to a Bill Of Sale being an MSO. People get too caught up in private and public languages that they loose their way, they forget it is an " interest " in a thing they are transferring. Right of possession is just holding it until the vehicle is transferred somewhere else. Whether money transfer hands or a loaf of bread is separate from the equity interest itself. Once you understand this you can do some amazing things.
    The point is that if the purchaser is a resident or an office holder then its quite a bit different from the case if the purchaser is private or foreign to the State. My observation is that most folks have shown an inability to make adequate distinctions between (A) public and (B) private.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    The point is that if the purchaser is a resident or an office holder then its quite a bit different from the case if the purchaser is private or foreign to the State. My observation is that most folks have shown an inability to make adequate distinctions between (A) public and (B) private.
    I cannot argue with that, but we all have been there at one point in our lives. I try to explain it to people this way:
    Private law for public people and public law for private people.
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