Exactly what does the IRS agent think?

[Hbert997]

Hi David,

Okay, I'm a 'noob' here and maybe this topic has been vetted and fully researched...however, I've searched the above documents in your post and found a reference in the last one to a US v. Rickman case where it states:

"United States v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182, 184 (10th Cir. 1980) - The court affirmed the conviction for willfully failing to file a return and rejected the taxpayer's argument "the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, Sub Section 8, United States Constitution."..."

Please comment and help me to understand the context. Thnx.

Hbert

[David Merrill]

Hi David,

Okay, I'm a 'noob' here and maybe this topic has been vetted and fully researched...however, I've searched the above documents in your post and found a reference in the last one to a US v. Rickman case where it states:

"United States v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182, 184 (10th Cir. 1980) - The court affirmed the conviction for willfully failing to file a return and rejected the taxpayer's argument "the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, Sub Section 8, United States Constitution."..."

Please comment and help me to understand the context. Thnx.

Hbert

Gary RICKMAN was obviously not demanding redemption of lawful money. Two case decisions should be considered when understanding the demand.

In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money.

and

United States notes shall be lawful money, and a legal tender in payment of all debts, public and private, within the United States, except for duties on imports and interest on the public debt.

Good Catch!!

I appreciate that. The first thing to know is that Congress has the power to define money. They define it for the States to be metal coin too. Ergo - In the exercise of that power... The Court has the authority to interpret and quite clearly, federal reserve notes are redeemable in lawful money, but are not necessarily lawful money.

There is a lot to be said on that but it is off topic here. What we are looking at is the instructions that an IRS agent gets and I had not noticed the January 1, rendition until yesterday while searching around. So thanks for looking for me - saved me a little reading.

You can get a look for yourselves though. I have attached Rickman in full.

Putting that into the recent rendition of Frivolous Notices tells me that the IRS has been watching SJC and minding Shoonra and my debates over the interpretation of Rickman and Ware. Primarily though Gary RICKMAN did not make demands with his paychecks so he was not applying remedy as prescribed in the Fed Act.


Regards,

David Merrill.


P.S. Motla68;

The common thread is that the IRS agents get training through notices. Those are the Notices about the Frivolous Filing Penalty - guidelines on when the IRS agent is to attach the fine. I will arrange them chronologically and note some details.

[Treefarmer]

Thank you for attaching US vs Rickman David.
That was an interesting read.

I think you are right about the IRS notices.
The notices seem to be the policy which the IRS agents follow.
The IRS gives public notice of its policies in those documents, and then its agents enforce those policies.
No tax payer can reasonably say that he didn't know what the rules were, since the policy rules are spelled out in the notices.

Bright blessings

[David Merrill]

Thank you for attaching US vs Rickman David.
That was an interesting read.

I think you are right about the IRS notices.

The notices seem to be the policy which the IRS agents follow.

The IRS gives public notice of its policies in those documents, and then its agents enforce those policies.

No tax payer can reasonably say that he didn't know what the rules were, since the policy rules are spelled out in the notices.

Bright blessings

You are quite welcome. If I may say so myself; this thread and that opening post is quite the Find!

within the United States being the key Phrase.....

Your keenness about boundaries, abutment, easement and diversity is greatly appreciated around here MJ!


Succinctly put though Gary RICKMAN did nothing by way of making his demand for lawful money at the proper juncture, by non-or-restricting his endorsement of private credit on the backside of his paychecks.

[Michael Joseph]

within the United States being the key Phrase.....