endorsing and SS.......a big question!

[Taxd2death]

Okay,

Real NEWBIE here. I come too from the CTC club of "I'm not involved in any Privileged Activity, so give me back my money". Filed that way.. didn't work.. Paying penalties. I am thankful to CTC for at least opening my eyes to something being terribly wrong with my earnings belonging to some bureaucratic black hole and watching my freedom and liberty disappear into the abyss, if you will.

But, I have some real questions and I don't want to take up too much time:

This has been the most interesting thread I have read yet. But, I don't care who is trolling and who is real. Or what your real name is. I have learned something from each of you. I get Mr. Merrill's point about changing the CAPACITY and purpose of the money we exchange. I am still not totally sure of it all because I am still learning.

What is interesting though, is what Jesse James has been saying and whether you give it credence or not really doesn't matter to me. My question is, if we have all fallen under some benefit of Social Security, and because that creates "wages", and there apparently is an option to not wish to participate in it, then does the SSA provide the tools with which to opt out of it? Can an FbO Statement be filed with the SSA? And do they have to accept it? It just seems to me that it would then fall on the SSA to notify and "employer" that withholding of that particular tax would no longer be necessary. And what about all the money you have already paid in. What happens to that?

Just searching. And thank you all for whatever input you have. The bickering really is distracting. And thank you for letting me be a part of it. Blessings to you all!

[jesse james]

Okay,

Real NEWBIE here. I come too from the CTC club of "I'm not involved in any Privileged Activity, so give me back my money". Filed that way.. didn't work.. Paying penalties. I am thankful to CTC for at least opening my eyes to something being terribly wrong with my earnings belonging to some bureaucratic black hole and watching my freedom and liberty disappear into the abyss, if you will.

But, I have some real questions and I don't want to take up too much time:

This has been the most interesting thread I have read yet. But, I don't care who is trolling and who is real. Or what your real name is. I have learned something from each of you. I get Mr. Merrill's point about changing the CAPACITY and purpose of the money we exchange. I am still not totally sure of it all because I am still learning.

What is interesting though, is what Jesse James has been saying and whether you give it credence or not really doesn't matter to me. My question is, if we have all fallen under some benefit of Social Security, and because that creates "wages", and there apparently is an option to not wish to participate in it, then does the SSA provide the tools with which to opt out of it? Can an FbO Statement be filed with the SSA? And do they have to accept it? It just seems to me that it would then fall on the SSA to notify and "employer" that withholding of that particular tax would no longer be necessary. And what about all the money you have already paid in. What happens to that?

Just searching. And thank you all for whatever input you have. The bickering really is distracting. And thank you for letting me be a part of it. Blessings to you all!

Taxedtodeath you can participate over at http://www.iwarrior.defendindependence.us/ if you like.
I'm done with a particular person here who continues to try and derail the truth about "wages".

[Taxd2death]

Taxedtodeath you can participate over at http://www.iwarrior.defendindependence.us/ if you like.
I'm done with a particular person here who continues to try and derail the truth about "wages".

Thanks.. I will check it out..

If I had the cure to cancer, I am not sure I could hold out for the highest bidder...Just sayin.

[JohnnyCash]

HA! 'smatter Jay? Think you can run away from your own creation? Even Wes admits that Quatloos shares some responsibility for who I am. You lead me directly to lawful money & permanent freedom, freedom from SS, Income taxes, citations, etc. by your constant ridicule of David Merrill.

And now your handlers are kicking countries out of the SWIFT banking system? Talk about megalomania.
http://www.frbservices.org/eventsedu...rmat_info.html

Jim Sinclair talks about why cutting Iran off SWIFT represents a huge escalation in the ‘currency wars’ (that have replaced ground and air invasions as the primary way countries go to war). In preparation, more countries are engaged in currency swaps and are now bartering with gold. As a result, Gold is getting nearer to the center of the global banking system (contradicting the recent Bernanke rhetoric). America’s cutting off Iran from SWIFT (deleting their country code, due to take effect next month), will send a powerful signal globally that the banking system is not only unstable but prone to unilateral reconfigurations by the US to serve it’s foreign policy.
http://maxkeiser.com/2012/03/27/a-sw...cuts-off-iran/

Ahh, it's a beautiful day on the Sea of Unintended Consequences
STOP JESSE JAMES 2012

[JohnnyCash]

To help get this thread back on track, I've revised the Form W-4 to be a little more honest:

Form W-4
Purpose. Complete Form W-4 so the international banking cartel may legally withhold from your pay. In America, the cartel operates primarily as the International Monetary Fund Internal Revenue Service (hereinafter the "Fund") and we prefer to call this legalized scheme of theft the Federal Income tax. Pretty slick, eh? Consider completing a new Form W-4 each year of your wage-slave life.

Why. Because we said so, that's why. We are your bankster overlords and we've captured your government. We've got a large network of tax attorneys, CPAs & accountants all trained to say you need to sign this to work in the US. The conditioning has worked so well that it's nearly automatic now. We just assume every employee has signed a W-4. Also, WE REALLY NEED THE MONEY just about now. And not just for big bank bailouts, in case you haven't noticed, the Fund is now buying European Government Bonds: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/its-of...vernment-bonds

Where to File. This form isn't filed with anyone, silly rabbid. It'll just sit in a filing cabinet at your company's HR/payroll dept. We got enough paper. Their year-end W2 tells us what we really need.

And no, you don't even get a thank you. In our eyes you're just a useless eater. Besides, if we thanked you, you might realize this is all optional!

[blah, blah, more filler here]

Under penalties of perjury, I declare that I have examined this certificate and, to the best of my knowledge & belief, it is true, correct, and complete.

Employee's signature
(This form is not valid unless you sign it.) __________________ Date _______

[jesse james]

To help get this thread back on track, I've revised the Form W-4 to be a little more honest:

Form W-4
Purpose. Complete Form W-4 so the international banking cartel may legally withhold from your pay. In America, the cartel operates primarily as the International Monetary Fund Internal Revenue Service (hereinafter the "Fund") and we prefer to call this legalized scheme of theft the Federal Income tax. Pretty slick, eh? Consider completing a new Form W-4 each year of your wage-slave life.

Why. Because we said so, that's why. We are your bankster overlords and we've captured your government. We've got a large network of tax attorneys, CPAs & accountants all trained to say you need to sign this to work in the US. The conditioning has worked so well that it's nearly automatic now. We just assume every employee has signed a W-4. Also, WE REALLY NEED THE MONEY just about now. And not just for big bank bailouts, in case you haven't noticed, the Fund is now buying European Government Bonds: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/its-of...vernment-bonds

Where to File. This form isn't filed with anyone, silly rabbid. It'll just sit in a filing cabinet at your company's HR/payroll dept. We got enough paper. Their year-end W2 tells us what we really need.

And no, you don't even get a thank you. In our eyes you're just a useless eater. Besides, if we thanked you, you might realize this is all optional!

[blah, blah, more filler here]

Under penalties of perjury, I declare that I have examined this certificate and, to the best of my knowledge & belief, it is true, correct, and complete.

Employee's signature
(This form is not valid unless you sign it.) __________________ Date _______

Back on track huh?
The track is Social Security and how plays into earning taxable "wages" vs lawful money as the source of liability.
You wouldnt know your ass from a hole in the ground.......HA!

[stoneFree]

Jesse, did you see that tomorrow Congress will hold a hearing on the MF Global theft? I believe this marks the first time JP Morgan Chase has been subpoenaed to testify on one of their "operations." JP Morgan (Rothschild's bank) was the instigator of the MF Global implosion just as they were for Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Refco, Amaranth, &c.

JP Morgan-MF Global-Euro Gate Escalates

Stress cracks are showing all over the globe as your Banking Cabal is getting barraged from all sides now.

[jesse james]

Jesse, did you see that tomorrow Congress will hold a hearing on the MF Global theft? I believe this marks the first time JP Morgan Chase has been subpoenaed to testify on one of their "operations." JP Morgan (Rothschild's bank) was the instigator of the MF Global implosion just as they were for Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Refco, Amaranth, &c.

JP Morgan-MF Global-Euro Gate Escalates

Stress cracks are showing all over the globe as your Banking Cabal is getting barraged from all sides now.

Hmm.......again you show everyone here you dont know your ass from a hole in the ground...........Libra, Stonefree and Johhnycash......you are all the same delusional person.
Tell me what does JP Morgan Chase testifying to Congress have to do with the liability of the federal income taxes that starts with Social Security's 3121(a) "wages"?
I'll garrentee you when the banking system does go down it will replaced with another monetary system and the American income tax will still be intact just the way it is now....through participating in Social Security. It will stay intact untill Congress removes chapter 21 from Subtitle C Employment Taxes.
The US dollar will still be in existence, but not in the capacity as the worlds reserve currency. That will be the only difference Johnny too-late.
Come on Johnny ...grow up and smell the coffee!

[David Merrill]

It might be wiser to consider the SSA is the source for the Taxpayer ID #. Then it does not matter any more about benefits, it is a matter of identifying you, or not.

Okay,

Real NEWBIE here. I come too from the CTC club of "I'm not involved in any Privileged Activity, so give me back my money". Filed that way.. didn't work.. Paying penalties. I am thankful to CTC for at least opening my eyes to something being terribly wrong with my earnings belonging to some bureaucratic black hole and watching my freedom and liberty disappear into the abyss, if you will.

But, I have some real questions and I don't want to take up too much time:

This has been the most interesting thread I have read yet. But, I don't care who is trolling and who is real. Or what your real name is. I have learned something from each of you. I get Mr. Merrill's point about changing the CAPACITY and purpose of the money we exchange. I am still not totally sure of it all because I am still learning.

What is interesting though, is what Jesse James has been saying and whether you give it credence or not really doesn't matter to me. My question is, if we have all fallen under some benefit of Social Security, and because that creates "wages", and there apparently is an option to not wish to participate in it, then does the SSA provide the tools with which to opt out of it? Can an FbO Statement be filed with the SSA? And do they have to accept it? It just seems to me that it would then fall on the SSA to notify and "employer" that withholding of that particular tax would no longer be necessary. And what about all the money you have already paid in. What happens to that?

Just searching. And thank you all for whatever input you have. The bickering really is distracting. And thank you for letting me be a part of it. Blessings to you all!

[Sabo]

It might be wiser to consider the SSA is the source for the Taxpayer ID #. Then it does not matter any more about benefits, it is a matter of identifying you, or not.

Sure, but I think Taxd2death was more about what one might be able to do if you've already provided a SSN to a place you work - what remedies are then available to remove that participation.

Would 26 CFR 31.3402(P)-1(d) "...desires that the [voluntary withholding] agreement terminate on a specific date" be applicable here?