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outlierquest
04-19-12, 10:11 AM
Hello David and other truth seekers. I've been aware for some time, but just recently woke up and started reading the laws. I've been studying the UCC, USC and IRS laws for hundreds of hours. I've made numerous phone calls to the IRS, the Treasury and banks. After some very enlightening phone calls, I am now satisfied of the fact of the fraud and am ready to do something about it. In the beginning, I registered with the SEC (Edgar system), but found it to be beyond my knowledge base, so I backed off and started reading the laws and searching for like minded souls online. There is so much misinformation online, so I read everything and fact check with Black's Law Dictionary and the codes. There's UCC 1 filings, A4V, 1099OIDs and the like. Some time ago, I stumbled across a Canadian forum where people were talking about writing "Consumer Purchase" on checks. While researching a US equivalent, I found this forum. I'm so confused as where to start. Do I need to file something (UCC 1) to start this process? Just when I think I am sure of a redemption process, I find another.

When I lived in Alaska, I knew a guy who was awake. He was always broke and perpetually tired from the months of reading and research he was doing. He would share stories and theories with me and one day, he told me he couldn't discuss anything with me any longer. Shortly after that, he had a sensible new car and a few months later, a house in a nice neighborhood. He seemed very happy and confident. I couldn't help but wonder what he had learned and how he went from being a starving artist to a seemingly well off guy. I started my quest shortly thereafter and now am sick of reading and want to start "doing". I have no desire to commit any kind of fraud or try anything without researching it fully. Where should I start?

Thanks for your time and I'm really enjoying reading all of the posts...

Take care,
Micha

David Merrill
04-19-12, 01:26 PM
Hello David and other truth seekers. I've been aware for some time, but just recently woke up and started reading the laws. I've been studying the UCC, USC and IRS laws for hundreds of hours. I've made numerous phone calls to the IRS, the Treasury and banks. After some very enlightening phone calls, I am now satisfied of the fact of the fraud and am ready to do something about it. In the beginning, I registered with the SEC (Edgar system), but found it to be beyond my knowledge base, so I backed off and started reading the laws and searching for like minded souls online. There is so much misinformation online, so I read everything and fact check with Black's Law Dictionary and the codes. There's UCC 1 filings, A4V, 1099OIDs and the like. Some time ago, I stumbled across a Canadian forum where people were talking about writing "Consumer Purchase" on checks. While researching a US equivalent, I found this forum. I'm so confused as where to start. Do I need to file something (UCC 1) to start this process? Just when I think I am sure of a redemption process, I find another.

When I lived in Alaska, I knew a guy who was awake. He was always broke and perpetually tired from the months of reading and research he was doing. He would share stories and theories with me and one day, he told me he couldn't discuss anything with me any longer. Shortly after that, he had a sensible new car and a few months later, a house in a nice neighborhood. He seemed very happy and confident. I couldn't help but wonder what he had learned and how he went from being a starving artist to a seemingly well off guy. I started my quest shortly thereafter and now am sick of reading and want to start "doing". I have no desire to commit any kind of fraud or try anything without researching it fully. Where should I start?

Thanks for your time and I'm really enjoying reading all of the posts...

Take care,
Micha

This is a very interesting and entertaining introduction. Look through the Lesson Plan as described in these forums. Just skip around. There are about six or eight fundamental components and no silver bullet. We just enjoy a greater increase in contol of our destinies.

outlierquest
04-20-12, 04:24 AM
Hi David,

Thanks for posting my introduction. I'm glad you found it interesting and entertaining, lol. I haven't slept much in several months as all I do when off "work" is read code and forums such as this. I'm looking forward to being a part of this forum. I will be scanning documents and recording phone calls so I can share my journey.

Warm regards,
Micha

David Merrill
04-20-12, 06:52 PM
Hi David,

Thanks for posting my introduction. I'm glad you found it interesting and entertaining, lol. I haven't slept much in several months as all I do when off "work" is read code and forums such as this. I'm looking forward to being a part of this forum. I will be scanning documents and recording phone calls so I can share my journey.

Warm regards,
Micha

Wonderful!

martin earl
04-20-12, 11:20 PM
Welcome! Glad to have you here enjoy the journey! :)

outlierquest
04-20-12, 11:38 PM
Welcome! Glad to have you here enjoy the journey! :)

Thanks Martin and what a journey it is...

Freed Gerdes
04-30-12, 05:33 AM
Hi outlierquest,

you are not too specific about what it is you intend to do, but I see two distinct paths here: 1) separate yourself from the inventory stock number the SSA uses to track you as inventory, and 2) help defund the Federal Reserve. The most good you can do for yourself would seem to be to correct your civil status relative to the SSA by filing an amended SS-5 form, declaring your domicile in a state, rather than in Washington, DC. This takes you out from under the Federal government, and returns you to the Constitutional government. As a non-US citizen, you are exempt from income taxes, social security deductions, and I suspect Obamacare (although I have not confirmed that). As such, whether you use lawful money or not does not affect your non-taxpayer status, and the IRS does not deal with non-taxpayers (see http://sedm.org/Forms/Emancipation/CitizenshipDiagrams.pdf). Then 2) begin using lawful money for all receipts. This removes money from the Federal Reserve system. It also removes you from being bonded to the debt money, ie, you are then not responsible for the (government) debt. The constitution forbids the US government from trying to collect directly from the citizenry for their debts, but the Federal government is basically a corporation created by the US government to enslave the citizenry, and it operates by a law created by Congress, and does not have to operate within the Constitution. It was created by Congress in response to the bankruptcy of the US government under FDR in 1933. When the IRS tells you that paying income taxes is voluntary, they are correct: you volunteer when you sign up for SS as a US citizen. What they didn't tell you is that you could have signed up as an American citizen (rights protected by the Constitution), and under the Constitution, an income tax is illegal. So opting out of the Social Security system is your most immediately profitable step. Defunding the Fed by using lawful money is also a beneficial step. It has the advantage of allowing you to actually own things, whereas under the Federal government system, you are really just holding property for your owner (its fuedal).

Freed Gerdes

David Merrill
04-30-12, 05:52 AM
As a non-US citizen, you are exempt from income taxes, social security deductions...


Untrue. I read just the other day another US Supreme Court opinion stating how state citizenship fails to exempt anybody from the Income Tax. I noted that the USSC was recognizing state Citizenship but basing the obligations on the fact of a national currency. Not a state currency.

It would be interesting to see any acknowledgement from the US Government that someone can lose, divorce or otherwise sever themselves through the SS5 or any other means or Form, from the SSN. I remain convinced however that there is a means while breathing that it can be done.

BOOKING OFFICIAL: What is your Social Security Number?

David Merrill: I do not have a Social Security Number.


Once that is established, them conjuring a SSN from their records is forgery. They are forging a trust without me having any relationship with that trust. The Booking Official cannot book a performance for me.

Freed Gerdes
04-30-12, 06:46 AM
[QUOTE=David Merrill;6990] Untrue. I read just the other day another US Supreme Court opinion stating how state citizenship fails to exempt anybody from the Income Tax. I noted that the USSC was recognizing state Citizenship but basing the obligations on the fact of a national currency. Not a state currency.

David,

The issue is not state citizenship, it is opting out of the SSA by not claiming a civil address in Washington, DC, where you are under the control of the corporate government. By filing your social security status as a Resident Alien (that is, alien to Wash, DC), you become a non-taxpayer. See pages 17, 18, and 19 of the sedm link: http://sedm.org/Forms/Emancipation/CitizenshipDiagrams.pdf. Basically what this does is gives you the choice of not being a Federal employee. Remember that the income tax is not constitutional, so there must be an out. The out is to choose to opt out of Social Security, which changes you to American Citizen, and your legal status reverts to the Constitution, under which the income tax is illegal. So you become a non-taxpayer.

Freed Gerdes

Freed Gerdes
04-30-12, 06:54 AM
I should have also responded to your next comment concerning 'losing' your SSN. The SSA admits that if you change your SS citizenship status, they will issue you a new card, with the same number. But, the Resident Alien status leaves you outside the Federal government jurisdiction; it is a corporation created by Congress, and it has exclusive jurisdiction only inside Washington, DC. By filing as a US Citizen you unwittingly claim residency in DC, and 'voluntarily' submit to their jurisdiction. When you change status, you are no longer under their jurisdiction, and the IRS no longer can count on you to support the debt they were created to fund. The corporate entity they created for you still exists, but it is no longer liable for the debt.

Freed Gerdes

David Merrill
04-30-12, 01:37 PM
That was actually the first tactic I ever tried in the early '90s. There is nothing to it except your misunderstanding of the common perception of what an alien is. If you came here from Mexico on a Green Card for example you are a resident alien. With the establishment of the districts, rather than the state survey (territorial), there is no distinction ever to be made by any attorney in a black robe betwixt the two.

You parse out the definitions incorrectly. And by that I mean contrary to common law. Common law is case law (stare decisis). The county court judge (state) is allowed to practice law from the bench. He will say that you are in his state (the Seal behind him at bench) because you are and were on the same survey as found in the state constitution.

On your second point;

There is no form or method of getting SSA to revoke your SSN without a death certificate. I had to go to the SSA and speak with the manager to get this information. The only way to undo the SSN is by the exact opposite process by which you did the SSN. You keep it alive by saying it or writing it down. Look at a Taco Bell application some time. It says below the SSN (optional). A kid went to work for Taco Bell the summer before college. On the second day he was terminated because he had no SSN. Through administrative letters with the Taco Bell attorneys Dad was able to arrange for a full summer's pay in time for college. That is the famous Taco Bell Case.

If you do not say it or write it then it does not exist. Why not? Because it is a trust and depends on your desire to use it. If anybody uses it without your consent then they commit forgery or identity theft.

If you try to get a job without it then the manager hiring had better be pretty hard up for applicants. I asked the Taco Bell manager and she said that if anybody ever left the SSN space blank she would equivalently toss the application.

Treefarmer
05-01-12, 01:58 AM
I should have also responded to your next comment concerning 'losing' your SSN. The SSA admits that if you change your SS citizenship status, they will issue you a new card, with the same number. But, the Resident Alien status leaves you outside the Federal government jurisdiction; it is a corporation created by Congress, and it has exclusive jurisdiction only inside Washington, DC. By filing as a US Citizen you unwittingly claim residency in DC, and 'voluntarily' submit to their jurisdiction. When you change status, you are no longer under their jurisdiction, and the IRS no longer can count on you to support the debt they were created to fund. The corporate entity they created for you still exists, but it is no longer liable for the debt.

Freed Gerdes

Do you know this because you have tried this out yourself?

I'm asking because I have been wanting to get a first hand account from a SEDM member on how this worked for them ever since I first came across the SEDM material.

As for the resident alien status, I have some experience with that.
I'm German and I once had a so-called "green card" and a SSA card with a SSN, which said "resident alien" on it (late 80s, early 90s time frame). I was required to file income tax returns and I would have had to pay income tax if I had not been a poor college student without income to speak of.

theendresult
09-26-12, 05:34 PM
hello people who know way more than me,

I have been awake in certain ways for a while now, and like the original poster on this thread, have been looking for the ways to remove at least some of the chains that have been thrust upon my neck by our government and the sheep of the country, which i have to admit i used to be. I have been reading up on some of the things posted here, but i have a serious impediment. i do not understand the language of law. all the "in rem" "in res" latin stuff, the words that mean a different thing because its in regards to law, all that stuff, just makes my head want to explode. i believe that this site could be very helpful to me, but i lack the tools to use it. so what i am asking is how do i start? do i need to bury my head in a copy of Black's for six months before i should even attempt to understand any of this? is there a way to make sense of it all without doing that? im not asking for a handout, i just need a place to start, and seeing as how i feel its very important to do this, i dont want to screw around. i did cash a small check yesterday with "redeemed for lawful money pursuant to 12 usc squiggly lines 411. so that excites me, even if i dont know yet what the squiggly lines mean. Any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated.

Treefarmer
09-27-12, 01:59 AM
hello people who know way more than me,

I have been awake in certain ways for a while now, and like the original poster on this thread, have been looking for the ways to remove at least some of the chains that have been thrust upon my neck by our government and the sheep of the country, which i have to admit i used to be. I have been reading up on some of the things posted here, but i have a serious impediment. i do not understand the language of law. all the "in rem" "in res" latin stuff, the words that mean a different thing because its in regards to law, all that stuff, just makes my head want to explode. i believe that this site could be very helpful to me, but i lack the tools to use it. so what i am asking is how do i start? do i need to bury my head in a copy of Black's for six months before i should even attempt to understand any of this? is there a way to make sense of it all without doing that? im not asking for a handout, i just need a place to start, and seeing as how i feel its very important to do this, i dont want to screw around. i did cash a small check yesterday with "redeemed for lawful money pursuant to 12 usc squiggly lines 411. so that excites me, even if i dont know yet what the squiggly lines mean. Any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated.

Hello theendresult, welcome to the forum.
StSC is a discussion forum, so feel free to ask questions and to discuss anything you like, within the guidelines of the user agreement.
For the most part, we are all learning as we go along and many people here have vastly different areas of experience and expertise. We enjoy learning from each other.

StSC is actually the continuation of an earlier, now defunct forum which was known as Sui Juris Club dot net.

I would recommend you start with a topic that interests you the most, lawful money for example, and then read everything about it that you can find anywhere.
You will learn very quickly that way.
Once you feel that you have some idea what it's about, you can devise simple and safe experiments in your own life, to test your knowledge and get results; e.g. informing the IRS of your lawful money redemption, or recording your demand at the County recorder office or opening an evidence repository at a USDC, etc.
This way you can gain experience, meet people in your community, learn new things, and hopefully stay out of trouble.

Have fun:)

David Merrill
09-27-12, 02:19 AM
We have a User Agreement (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/content.php?155-community-rules-and-guidelines)?

Welcome to the forum!

Start Here. (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?148-How-to-use-this-Lesson-Plan)

shikamaru
09-27-12, 10:28 AM
hello people who know way more than me,

I have been awake in certain ways for a while now, and like the original poster on this thread, have been looking for the ways to remove at least some of the chains that have been thrust upon my neck by our government and the sheep of the country, which i have to admit i used to be. I have been reading up on some of the things posted here, but i have a serious impediment. i do not understand the language of law. all the "in rem" "in res" latin stuff, the words that mean a different thing because its in regards to law, all that stuff, just makes my head want to explode. i believe that this site could be very helpful to me, but i lack the tools to use it. so what i am asking is how do i start? do i need to bury my head in a copy of Black's for six months before i should even attempt to understand any of this? is there a way to make sense of it all without doing that? im not asking for a handout, i just need a place to start, and seeing as how i feel its very important to do this, i dont want to screw around. i did cash a small check yesterday with "redeemed for lawful money pursuant to 12 usc squiggly lines 411. so that excites me, even if i dont know yet what the squiggly lines mean. Any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated.

Hang in there.

As you gain more knowledge and re-read posts, things will become clearer to you.
Also overtime, you'll develop your own philosophy with regard to law.

For newbies, I recommend several law dictionaries: Black's Law pre- and post- 6th Edition and Bovier's Law Dictionary.
Black's Law dictionary seems to have really changed with the 6th edition. I have a 4th, 5th, and 6th edition.
4th edition has many Latin terms in it.
Bouvier's Law Dictionary can be found online.

I highly recommend treatises. You can read and download treatises from Google Books.

To remove some of the chains, one must stop falling on one's own sword.
It helps to follow the rule of holes: if you find yourself in one, stop digging.

People use many tools against themselves: the power of declaration, right to contract, failure to inquire, no evidence repository, divorcing one's self from the power of agency, failure to administrate one's affairs competently, etc.
Learn how to use these to your benefit rather than to the benefit of others (and to prejudice against you).

Two servitudes that many have problems with:

1) Commercial
2) Legal

You'll want to clean up your affairs with regard to both points. Take care of the commercial before the legal.

John Howard
09-27-12, 02:18 PM
Hold "alt" key, hit 21, release alt, you get the section symbol. Welcome Theendresult!

David Merrill
09-27-12, 03:24 PM
Hold "alt" key, hit 21, release alt, you get the section symbol. Welcome Theendresult!

We have an ongoing problem with that on this website!

Title 12 USC ?411.

It shows up okay while I write it but it displays it incorrectly. I believe there is a work order in.

Janadele
10-09-12, 10:51 AM
As this is my first post it seemed appropriate to do so in the Newbie thread... so, hello all.

David Merrill
10-09-12, 11:39 PM
I am honored to be the first to welcome you!

Treefarmer
10-10-12, 12:40 AM
As this is my first post it seemed appropriate to do so in the Newbie thread... so, hello all.

Welcome Janadele.
I hope you will enjoy yourself here.
Bright blessings to you.

Janadele
10-10-12, 02:00 AM
Thanks Treefarmer :)

midwire
11-10-14, 04:01 PM
As many have stated in this thread, I too am new to the forum. My friend, martin earl, has helped to educate me regarding lawful money and many other useful things.

Last year, 2013, I filed a 'proper' tax return with my Lawful Money Reduction demand. This gave me great relief in that I finally felt that I no longer had to support the current, ridiculously corrupt and evil institutions we call government. I am no longer supporting the blatantly illegal wars and countless other ongoing 'programs' run by the federal government of the corporation of the United States of America.

The unfortunate part of this is that my wife has harrowing nightmares about the IRS or some other federal goon squad attacking us. She is so stressed out about this that it affects every part of our lives.

I've tried to explain that I am working within the law, but she doesn't understand. It begins to make me worry as well but I still feel confident that my Father in Heaven supports my decision and is happy that I am educating myself as to the reality of things as they truly are.

My question is this: Is there a lawful money tutorial or resource that makes it 12-year-old simple, so that my lovely wife can understand?

Again, thanks to Martin for all he has led me to discover, and thanks to David for organizing all of this.

--Midwire

walter
11-10-14, 10:47 PM
I stumbled across a Canadian forum where people were talking about writing "Consumer Purchase" on checks.


If you don't mind me asking what forum you are referring to.
I have looked in the "consumer purchase" statutes as well.
And tested the waters as well.

David Merrill
11-10-14, 10:57 PM
As indicated on the Exactly What Does an IRS Agent Think (http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?145-Exactly-what-does-the-IRS-agent-think) thread there is a Memorandum released misleading the IRS agent to determine Redeeming Lawful Money Returns to be frivolous. So this goes on and on...

We might have a more specialized subscription website operational soon.

Meanwhile I took an entire lunch trying to eat while explaining what I do and left my date more confused than when we started. It would seem that I have transforms working as filters that decipher a different reality from this sea of information we often call "reality". I also perceive that other people are frightened of different things than that which scares me. For the most part I can safely say that whatever I am wary of I investigate and inform myself about.

It also seems safe to say that if your lovely wife persuaded you to drop this endeavor for redeeming lawful money and basically exercising your internal sinderesis you would quickly find that she is just as frightened of something else. So be there for her to talk to and always let her know that her fears are justified, whether they are or not in you opinion.

Below I have listed the many things I know for sure about women.

1) Do not tell her to be responsible for her emotions.

Canadian solution
11-11-14, 05:35 AM
Walter I would be interested in hearing how your testing went on the "consumer purchase" .I have read thru the bills and exchange act and found it. I have wondered about the application. Menard and Croft are dancing around how it worked but I could never find success other than heresy

I have often wondered in Canada if the solution is all in the endorsement. Taking a public note private and closing the loop for accounting purposes?

Thanks in advance

David Merrill
11-11-14, 10:57 AM
Walter I would be interested in hearing how your testing went on the "consumer purchase" .I have read thru the bills and exchange act and found it. I have wondered about the application. Menard and Croft are dancing around how it worked but I could never find success other than heresy

I have often wondered in Canada if the solution is all in the endorsement. Taking a public note private and closing the loop for accounting purposes?

Thanks in advance

Do you have a link? - To any recent MENARD activity anyway? That is how I remember him, making the claims that keep people's attention but never having any law or success stories to show. I think maybe you are looking at old Internet dregs that stay out there hit on by search engines.


I have often wondered in Canada if the solution is all in the endorsement.

More like non-endorsement. It is found at the very end of the Bank Act there.


P.S. I don't wish to start up a new ruckus with MENARD, success stories that meet rules of evidence are impossible to post without disclosing private information. He and I got into it when he claimed in his Security of the Person video production that the Birth Certificate (Canadian) is a Stock Certificate in the Canada Corporation.

Canadian solution
11-11-14, 06:28 PM
I do not have anything new to share that is not already on the internet. I asked in my last post about Menadd as his youtube videos really promoted the bills and exchange act and the use of consumer purchase concept. It was not my intention to start any controversy. Walter had piqued my interest with his post.
When I woke up to the great game being played,I watched with great interest Menards and Dean Cliffords youtube video's. A little side bar, I was at the seminar last year when Dean was abducted by police. There were three types of people from what I could gather attending the seminar. The first is what I would call the Free Shit Army, they wanted to get something for nothing. Two, people in trouble with the legal system and were searching for answers on how to help themselves. The last were people that had watched Dean on youtube and thought his ideas interesting and saw the seminar as a chance to see him live and ask him question face to face. I have watched Dean with interest over this last year, I have my own views to why he is still in jail, but that is for another day

I find these discussions most invigorating intellectually. But what most excites me is the next steps for my wife and I , that is moving from the theoretical to the practical

walter
11-11-14, 08:20 PM
Walter I would be interested in hearing how your testing went on the "consumer purchase" .I have read thru the bills and exchange act and found it. I have wondered about the application. Menard and Croft are dancing around how it worked but I could never find success other than heresy

I have often wondered in Canada if the solution is all in the endorsement. Taking a public note private and closing the loop for accounting purposes?

Thanks in advance

I don't want to high-jack this thread but since its just an introduction I guess its not crossing any boundaries.
What caught my eye with the BoE act was when the introduction of "consumer purchase" was introduced into the act.
I tried to find the Acts or the years when the change happened.(no luck yet)
The old BoE act never mentioned "consumer purchase", only more modern ones and my guess is the change happened after 1933 when the gold was removed from the public.
Pre 33 all PN's were settled in gold or silver.
So once it was removed then what do we have to settle a PN with?
Nothing at all.
As stated in the BoE act the bills (remittance) are valid until NOTICE of defective title is given.
Once given they have to correct the mistake otherwise the bill is void.

Land and or any interest in land does not apply.
I was testing it with land. (Bad way to start the test)
So one bill for property transfer tax stopped coming but the property tax itself kept coming.
I found out that once the government retires from its attacks for money from you they send it to their trusted debt collectors. Being the CRA.
Since I don't do any business with them they are out of luck for any collections.
I would imagine they will wait till probate then make the claim.
Just have to make sure there is nothing in the name when probate comes because it is only then they won't get any defensive actions against them.

My thinking here is that "consumer purchase" is related to a "demand for lawful money".
The defective bills (by notice of defective title) get sent to the CRA to collect so there is an attachment somewhere happening.