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David Merrill
03-12-11, 03:45 PM
An express trust is one in writing typically. That is the plain English meaning of express. Whereas a constructive trust is formed more by precedent and actions of trust.

A driver license, however signed can easily be construed an express trust. By studying the State Driver's Manual and taking the written test, you have expressed that you understand the matters of dispute to be settled under the traffic laws of the State.

shikamaru
12-31-12, 12:59 PM
An express trust can only be created by DECLARATION.

EZrhythm
12-13-15, 07:33 AM
To which one will notice just above the signature line on the application- I "DECLARE" under the penalty of perjury...

allodial
12-13-15, 06:08 PM
The drivers license document itself is the state property you are entrusted with. As long as you hold it or fail to surrender it ....

ohiofoiarequest
12-14-15, 12:10 AM
An express trust can only be created by DECLARATION.

Not so, friend.

Declaration is but one of four methods of creating a trust. The other three are assignment, transfer & contract. Declaration is typically when one declares they hold property in trust within their self to the use and benefit of another. Courts of equity also have the power on their own notice to form express trusts in the interests of minors and other incompetents. All statutes are essentially express trusts with the legislature acting as grantor by proxy on behalf of the public.

Constructive trusts are a remedial device courts use to return an injured party back to status quo...think of restitution.

Resulting trusts are when a grantor-beneficiary places purchase money into the hands of a nominal purchaser (trustee) to acquire title to lands to which the title will pass to the grantor at a later date at which time the trustee fails to convey title...a trust results due to the nature of the transaction.

Highly recommend reading Gilberts on Trusts, Henry R. Gibson's fantastic treatise Suits in Chancery and Christian Walters audio if they are still floating around the internet.

Michael Joseph
12-14-15, 10:40 PM
Not so, friend.

Declaration is but one of four methods of creating a trust. The other three are assignment, transfer & contract. Declaration is typically when one declares they hold property in trust within their self to the use and benefit of another. Courts of equity also have the power on their own notice to form express trusts in the interests of minors and other incompetents. All statutes are essentially express trusts with the legislature acting as grantor by proxy on behalf of the public.

Constructive trusts are a remedial device courts use to return an injured party back to status quo...think of restitution.

Resulting trusts are when a grantor-beneficiary places purchase money into the hands of a nominal purchaser (trustee) to acquire title to lands to which the title will pass to the grantor at a later date at which time the trustee fails to convey title...a trust results due to the nature of the transaction.

Highly recommend reading Gilberts on Trusts, Henry R. Gibson's fantastic treatise Suits in Chancery and Christian Walters audio if they are still floating around the internet.

You have the right to an attorney, or to represent yourself or to waive those rights. Which of the three rights do you accept? A rational thinking man or woman must at once ask : Whereof do these rights issue?

If one is told from UNDER an existing contract, then one must ask: Am I a part to that contract? If not, one must ask: If I accept this benefit of law, are there strings attached? And these "grants" made under an existing contract does that mean if I accept and make a use of said grant does that make me a grantee/trustee?

If those rights are derived from UNDER an existing contract - of which I am not a party of or to - then, does that mean I am a "protected person" or is there a Wardship?

My trust is implied by mere use - my trust is expressed by signature....

And God said
And God saw
And God called

To speak the trust - deed: OBSERVATION which is consciousness acting : And God called [Declaration].

One may explore resulting trust with the framing of money- but then again if one expands consciousness into any medium of value, then one can explore all sorts of property even incorporeal property such as rights. When one begins to see with new eyes, then one begins to get a better hold upon "resulting trust".

And then one becomes aware of how valuable one's trust is. My trust expressed has tremendous value. If you want to get a handle on the foregoing just talk to a lawyer and specifically begin to ask questions. At some point if you press in too much, the response will invariable be "I have no trust IN YOU".

A trust pledged is Faith in operation! But now back to beginnings: Which right do you think I should make a use?


Isa 36:4 And Rabshakeh said unto them, Say ye now to Hezekiah, Thus saith the great king, the king of Assyria, What confidence is this wherein thou trustest?

Isa 36:5 I say, sayest thou, (but they are but vain words) I have counsel and strength for war: now on whom dost thou trust, that thou rebellest against me?

Isa 36:6 Lo, thou trustest in the staff of this broken reed, on Egypt; whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust in him.

Isa 36:7 But if thou say to me, We trust in the LORD our God: is it not he, whose high places and whose altars Hezekiah hath taken away, and said to Judah and to Jerusalem, Ye shall worship before this altar?

Isa 36:8 Now therefore give pledges, I pray thee, to my master the king of Assyria, and I will give thee two thousand horses, if thou be able on thy part to set riders upon them.

What if I don't wish to choose? Thank you but no thank you. My carnal mind [Pharoah] deceives me. It is enmity against God. Let me therefore work this day to discover the Inner Trust - to pledge to remove the baggage in my Shadow. I am immediately reminded of the warning to those who seek the Day of the Lord. It is a day of great darkness. There is much work to be done in each of us [especially me]. Let us go about the work to clean out the skeletons locked away in the Shadow.

Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Amo 5:19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.

Amo 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

For a trust pledged could imply UNDERTAKING - a promise - of which one Voluntarily binds one's self into duty to another [Public]. The consideration for any undertaking is Statute. For it is the Statute which provides the liability. I ask the question in jest: "Does a Statute need to be written not to steal for one to know it is not good to steal?" If you say no, then why lean on Egypt at all?

An officer of trust elected with proper oath sits subject to the bylaws [liabilities upon his office]. One who is not elected or appointed to office must be granted License to Undertake on behalf of the Public or To the Public. He who undertakes promises. Thusly an undertaking is a ONE SIDED contract with the consideration being the liability to the Public Trust - of which- dear reader the Undertaker is also a member! And therefore the undertaking is a benefit upon society!

There can never be peace when it is kept at the end of a gun!

And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul.
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold.
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last.
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll.


God is not an American! Why has it been lost on many that we are called elohim. A great mystery unfolds right before our very eyes for God is Elohim. And if we be of the same kind - well then, dear reader - you do the math. Perhaps Love shall win the day and the elohim will begin to act not in duty but for what is the good of all. God blessed forever Amen

Consider now the way of Cain - is Faith based. The way of Abel is Love based! Which do you perceive is better?

It appears today that Faith [husband] is married to Love [wife] but it should be the other way around. For it is Faith which should submit to Love.

pumpkin
12-16-15, 12:46 PM
A trust requires trust property. There is no trust property with a drivers license. A license is a regulation, by police power, of a state regulated occupation. Such as driving for hire. The state has a problem enforcing traffic violations, at least for those informed. They can do it administratively without the judicial, but there is no judicial power there. Or they can do it within the courts, which requires the use of the rules of courts. Claims and injury come into play and without jurisdiction of the particular case, government can do little to enforce without injuries and claims.

Michael Joseph
12-16-15, 02:04 PM
A trust requires trust property. There is no trust property with a drivers license. A license is a regulation, by police power, of a state regulated occupation. Such as driving for hire. The state has a problem enforcing traffic violations, at least for those informed. They can do it administratively without the judicial, but there is no judicial power there. Or they can do it within the courts, which requires the use of the rules of courts. Claims and injury come into play and without jurisdiction of the particular case, government can do little to enforce without injuries and claims.

Consider that a right or a privilege is property. But also consider that a license issues upon he who undertakes. An undertaking is a one-sided contract. It is a promise to do a deed. A promise implies duty to fulfill the promise and an equitable expectation that the promise might be fulfilled. If the promise is subject to existing governing bylaws, then so be it.

For instance there is no office in the State for Engineer. Therefore he who would undertake in that profession on behalf of the public trust must be licensed to perform because he does a deed on behalf of the public and is not a trustee or an appointed agent. It would be illegal for one to act on behalf of the public if one was not with a license or with an agency or trustee. Thus one undertakes voluntarily and as such, one voluntarily submits one's self under policies and regulations - Codes.

Property comes in corporeal or incorporeal forms. If you promise me then your promise is valuable. Or I hope it is!

pumpkin
12-17-15, 12:44 PM
"Consider that a right or a privilege is property. But also consider that a license issues upon he who undertakes."

What I have found with traffic tickets and the drivers license is, they use the courts and the courts use their own rules. The court rules kills their little FU party. It is not like a doctor. He wouldn't go before a court, he would go in front of a council or agency. And you are correct, the doctor or the commercial driver has agreed to perform. It involves the public safety. Some may say the private traveler effects the public safety, but he not acting by occupation and is not holding himself out for hire, so his license can best be explain for insurance purposes. My insurance company requires it.

allodial
12-17-15, 07:29 PM
"Consider that a right or a privilege is property. But also consider that a license issues upon he who undertakes."

What I have found with traffic tickets and the drivers license is, they use the courts and the courts use their own rules. The court rules kills their little FU party. It is not like a doctor. He wouldn't go before a court, he would go in front of a council or agency. And you are correct, the doctor or the commercial driver has agreed to perform. It involves the public safety. Some may say the private traveler effects the public safety, but he not acting by occupation and is not holding himself out for hire, so his license can best be explain for insurance purposes. My insurance company requires it.

Compare the typical state driver's license with a Land Merchant Marine Card. BTW, AFAIK, courts martial proceed in admiralty.

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Now the Merchant Marine Credentials are being made in passbook form.

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pumpkin
12-17-15, 09:23 PM
"Compare the typical state driver's license with a Land Merchant Marine Card. BTW, AFAIK, courts martial proceed in admiralty."

The rules of court stops the process in Indiana (they are not self executing however).

allodial
12-17-15, 11:32 PM
"Compare the typical state driver's license with a Land Merchant Marine Card. BTW, AFAIK, courts martial proceed in admiralty."

The rules of court stops the process in Indiana (they are not self executing however).

Stops the process?

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If the flags are in a configuration like that it is a court martial as in a court of martial nature. Most military jurisprudence, if not all, are admiralty proceedings. If I recall correctly it was said that in famous OJ Simpson there was a change of flags once the charges were changed.

shikamaru
12-18-15, 12:32 PM
A trust requires trust property. There is no trust property with a drivers license. A license is a regulation, by police power, of a state regulated occupation. Such as driving for hire. The state has a problem enforcing traffic violations, at least for those informed. They can do it administratively without the judicial, but there is no judicial power there. Or they can do it within the courts, which requires the use of the rules of courts. Claims and injury come into play and without jurisdiction of the particular case, government can do little to enforce without injuries and claims.

A licence is a servitude. That is a critically important point.

..... not that they want you to know that.

Just as a passport is property of the US government, a license is property of the state government.

pumpkin
12-18-15, 02:00 PM
"A licence is a servitude. That is a critically important point.

..... not that they want you to know that.

Just as a passport is property of the US government, a license is property of the state government."

For Indiana, this is not true. It is probably the same in all States. I have found, won't look for it now, a case in Indiana that actually defined what a license is, the court said it is to practice a regulated occupation. Which makes sense if you consider the police power of the State. Some occupations concern public safety, and driving for hire is one of them. If a man can get paid more by driving fast and ignoring signs and lights, that is a clear hazard to public safety.

"Stops the process?"

The rules of court requires certain things. A Claim, a summons, interested party, entitlement, ratification of commencement, are several of which a 'ticket' and the process for infraction enforcement does not provide. Now this is for civil tickets, criminal is a bit different, but several of the same things are still required. But, the rules are not self executing, you must know the rules and provide them to the court. This has worked in two States with civil tickets. They did not give the 'win', but abandoned their cases.

allodial
12-19-15, 02:28 AM
Ideally one never goes into court and settles things even before 'arraignment'.

pumpkin
12-20-15, 02:16 PM
Best to call out a complaint for what it is. Someone complaining. 'STFU and stop complaining' somewhat politically corrected, should be the answer sufficient to keep you out of court.

Michael Joseph
12-20-15, 05:35 PM
Best to call out a complaint for what it is. Someone complaining. 'STFU and stop complaining' somewhat politically corrected, should be the answer sufficient to keep you out of court.

In Trust Law the beneficiary and the director [administration or management] can be one person. Try to think offices of one person [State]. One who comes with a claim UNDER contracts or trusts established can only claim Tort, Libel or Breach of Trust or Breach of Contract and perhaps some other causes which escape me at this point. However, one must claim such that relief may be granted. This means the claim must be QUALIFIED.

Else the claim would be international - without the law boundary [surveyed close] of State. And one would then sit down as Husbandman to steward his/her claim. One would do well to study out the "fabric and formation" of Unam Sanctum to see whereof such claim might have derived.

Hint: Jesus said upon this Rock shall I build my Church. Rock in that instance is FEMININE noun and cannot be referring to Peter. Rather it is referring to our Mother - the Holy Spirit. She births the man-child of Spirit. Ye must be born again. Thusly is the existing claim valid? Well it is if you remain silent!

allodial
12-20-15, 06:13 PM
It seems to infer that body of Christ founded upon the Wisdom/Truth of Jesus being the Son of God which IMHO incorporates Adam being a son of God and also, generally, mankind being made in the image of God. The impression I get is that all of the 'religious conflict' today might all echo the exact same theological and doctrinal conflicts or schisms that existed in pre-Joseph (Imhotep) Old Egypt. Moses appears to have existed at a time when Egypt was being given over to corruption (Sun Worship?) and it became necessary to preserve the truth of mankind's nature and origins among other things. The idea of mankind being made in the image of God is not something that those who wish to enslave all embrace.

Moses was not a sorceror, neither was Jesus.

Related:
Imageo Dei
(http://www.pbs.org/faithandreason/theogloss/imago-body.html)

pumpkin
12-20-15, 08:50 PM
"In Trust Law the beneficiary and the director [administration or management] can be one person."

Any equity jurisdiction should be challenged at once. If someone would like to bring you into equity (into the consciousness of the cross dresser in the black dress), make him provide the document for the express trust, or provide the basis for a constructive trust. Or you will be subjected to the discretion of the cross dresser in the high chair.

allodial
12-20-15, 11:21 PM
In Trust Law the beneficiary and the director [administration or management] can be one person.

Selective capacity. "A" could be a conservator of the peace while holding a job at a retail shop. If "A" had to make an would he do it in the capacity of retail inventory clerk or in the capacity of a conservator of the peace? Indeed, its possible to be a trustee of one facet of the same trust and to be a beneficiary of the greater trust.

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Michael Joseph
12-21-15, 01:39 AM
Selective capacity. Indeed, its possible to be a trustee of one facet of the same trust and to be a beneficiary of the greater trust.

Absolutely. For one who leaves his private capacity and enters into Public Office serves all who are members of the Public Trust. So in effect the Public Officer serves himself, as well as, all who benefit under his Office.

pumpkin
12-21-15, 01:37 PM
Absolutely. For one who leaves his private capacity and enters into Public Office serves all who are members of the Public Trust. So in effect the Public Officer serves himself, as well as, all who benefit under his Office.


Yes, but the capacities are separate. The office serves the people. The officer is NOT a beneficiary.

allodial
12-21-15, 08:20 PM
Yes, but the capacities are separate. The office serves the people. The officer is NOT a beneficiary.

A public officer such as a police officer is a trustee not a beneficiary. It could be said that "residents" are public officers and therefore trustees rather than beneficiaries. 'resident' is not synonymous with 'citizen' in the organic sense. citizenship can be of at least two 'classes'.

pumpkin
12-22-15, 03:06 PM
"It could be said that "residents" are public officers and therefore trustees rather than beneficiaries."

It could be said, but it isn't. Granted, it seems to be presumed. Best rebut that presumption.

george
12-22-15, 07:18 PM
res = thing, correct? and "ident" is short for identity maybe? so resident must be a thing identified. just something ive thought about it before.

allodial
12-22-15, 08:09 PM
It could be said, but it isn't.

Actually, it is (http://freedom-school.com/aware/resident.pdf) said. I have repeatedly made it clear 'residential' does not necessarily mean private. What remains other than public? If you are a resident of the City of Chicago, is there any part of the City of Chicago that is not public? If you lived in public housing, a hospital, a jail, a public accommodation, would there be any surprise to you being be construed to be holding public office?

Do you see why certain persons aimed to gain control over money so that they could FORCE people to live in the public?


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If "A" lives on private land, for "A" to confess to being a resident public would be a lie and perhaps also foolish. I have always lived in my private household (the word body is related to the word abode). Do I live in the county? No. In the city? No. In the state? No. Why would I claim to be a resident?


res = thing, correct? and "ident" is short for identity maybe? so resident must be a thing identified. just something ive thought about it before.

Add a 'p' in front and you get 'president'. Some suggest, 'prime resident' or 'primary resident'. Before the 1930s, birth registration was in many jurisdiction for public births and even for registration of birth of a child subsequently abandoned in the public--related to "Poor Laws". It maybe that ever noun in any statute book is silently prefixed by the word 'public'.

Related:
Resident (freedomschool)
(http://freedom-school.com/aware/resident.pdf)U.S. Law and International Law--Part I--Resident (http://freedom-school.com/aware/resident.pdf)

pumpkin
12-22-15, 09:58 PM
I should clarify, it is not being said on the record of a court. And it won't. I agree, they make all the reasons THEY need for presumptions. The way I see it, the servants made up a story. I don't really care about it. The record is what is important. And I've had enough with the servants writing complaints. If they don't like it, they can quit.


res = thing, correct? and "ident" is short for identity maybe? so resident must be a thing identified. just something ive thought about it before.


It's funny how things like that work out, isn't it. My favorite is governmental. Govern mental = control the mind.

In rem jurisdiction and in personam jurisdiction is separated within the rules of court. Each has their requirements, which are always NEVER met by the complaining servant.

Michael Joseph
12-23-15, 03:48 AM
No man takes my life I lay it down of my own free will. Consider there must be a Contract or a Trust in order for any judge to sit down and issue judgment.

I die to myself in the house of my friends : for not only I, but for my friends [public trust]. A choice!

Shalom,
Michael Joseph

Michael Joseph
12-23-15, 05:46 AM
The office serves the people. The officer is NOT a beneficiary.

Yes an office means a duty. An officer is one who performs the duty. One who keeps the peace does so not only for others, but also for himself. The office of keeping the peace manifests upon all who enjoy the peace. Rather it is the fruit of the office which is peace that is enjoyed.

Exo_1:16 And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live.

This verse speaks to the internal war between Carnality and Spirit Mind.

But I digress, the "office" is a duty and the officer is "midwife". The duty or obligation of office is imposed by a "higher power" which governs the realm. If you seek an external truth think Governor or King, if you seek an internal truth think Carnal Mind vs. Spirit Mind.

pumpkin
12-23-15, 12:18 PM
"One who keeps the peace does so not only for others, but also for himself."

I have thought about this. When they argue against me and my rights, they argue against themselves and their rights, their friend's rights, their family's rights, including children and grandchildren. They have to be dumb as dirt not to realize this.

David Merrill
12-23-15, 03:24 PM
The ego fears the loss of identity (death). The fear of loss instigates attack and belligerence.

I hope this is properly timed (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImd0VUZmF4TldKcVU/view?usp=sharing) to the thread...

Michael Joseph
12-23-15, 05:49 PM
"One who keeps the peace does so not only for others, but also for himself."

I have thought about this. When they argue against me and my rights, they argue against themselves and their rights, their friend's rights, their family's rights, including children and grandchildren. They have to be dumb as dirt not to realize this.

Just remember once someone begins to Understand [stand surety] for FRS or central banking scheme there is a quasi-contract in UNDERTAKING. Thusly the constitutions war against that one as he sold himself of his own free will. Art 1 Sec 10 fights against that one. So the court is just upholding contractual duties and obligations. So if a man enter into a contract he does it to himself.

Pain can be a wonderful teacher for those who have eyes to see.

David Merrill
12-23-15, 08:37 PM
Just remember once someone begins to Understand [stand surety] for FRS or central banking scheme there is a quasi-contract in UNDERTAKING. Thusly the constitutions war against that one as he sold himself of his own free will. Art 1 Sec 10 fights against that one. So the court is just upholding contractual duties and obligations. So if a man enter into a contract he does it to himself.

Pain can be a wonderful teacher for those who have eyes to see.

My informal definition for Special Drawing Right "paper gold" - SDR is, "The measure of a society's conditioning to blindly endorse the private credit from the local central bank."

ohiofoiarequest
12-25-15, 03:13 AM
Any equity jurisdiction should be challenged at once. If someone would like to bring you into equity (into the consciousness of the cross dresser in the black dress), make him provide the document for the express trust, or provide the basis for a constructive trust. Or you will be subjected to the discretion of the cross dresser in the high chair.

This statement raises a false dilemma in that equity jurisdiction is invoked on a far wider basis than trusts merely, whether express or implied by law. Off the top of my head in the exclusive jurisdiction alone there are also suits for specific performance, fraud (actual and constructive), accounting, receivership, mistake, accident, equitable liens, foreclosure (barring the mortgagor's equity of redemption), rescission & reformation of instruments, bankruptcy and probably a bunch I can't remember right now.

Express trusts don't require anything in writing. They can be orally expressed or better yet expressed simply by the conduct of the parties...this would require asking a chancellor for declaratory relief at a hearing to establish the validity of the trust one wishes to express.

ohiofoiarequest
12-25-15, 04:02 AM
The ego fears the loss of identity (death). The fear of loss instigates attack and belligerence.

I hope this is properly timed (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImd0VUZmF4TldKcVU/view?usp=sharing) to the thread...

Care to elucidate a bit more on your thoughts here? I wasn't able to draw any meaning from what you linked other than the P-Appellant's statement concerning his reason for instigating the action..typical grasping-for-straws action instigated by disgruntled mortgagor who wasn't able to perform their undertaking or remedy the default? Or something I'm missing?

ohiofoiarequest
12-25-15, 05:14 AM
You have the right to an attorney, or to represent yourself or to waive those rights. Which of the three rights do you accept? A rational thinking man or woman must at once ask : Whereof do these rights issue?

If one is told from UNDER an existing contract, then one must ask: Am I a part to that contract? If not, one must ask: If I accept this benefit of law, are there strings attached? And these "grants" made under an existing contract does that mean if I accept and make a use of said grant does that make me a grantee/trustee?

If those rights are derived from UNDER an existing contract - of which I am not a party of or to - then, does that mean I am a "protected person" or is there a Wardship?

My trust is implied by mere use - my trust is expressed by signature....

And God said
And God saw
And God called

To speak the trust - deed: OBSERVATION which is consciousness acting : And God called [Declaration].

One may explore resulting trust with the framing of money- but then again if one expands consciousness into any medium of value, then one can explore all sorts of property even incorporeal property such as rights. When one begins to see with new eyes, then one begins to get a better hold upon "resulting trust".

And then one becomes aware of how valuable one's trust is. My trust expressed has tremendous value. If you want to get a handle on the foregoing just talk to a lawyer and specifically begin to ask questions. At some point if you press in too much, the response will invariable be "I have no trust IN YOU".

A trust pledged is Faith in operation! But now back to beginnings: Which right do you think I should make a use?


Isa 36:4 And Rabshakeh said unto them, Say ye now to Hezekiah, Thus saith the great king, the king of Assyria, What confidence is this wherein thou trustest?

Isa 36:5 I say, sayest thou, (but they are but vain words) I have counsel and strength for war: now on whom dost thou trust, that thou rebellest against me?

Isa 36:6 Lo, thou trustest in the staff of this broken reed, on Egypt; whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust in him.

Isa 36:7 But if thou say to me, We trust in the LORD our God: is it not he, whose high places and whose altars Hezekiah hath taken away, and said to Judah and to Jerusalem, Ye shall worship before this altar?

Isa 36:8 Now therefore give pledges, I pray thee, to my master the king of Assyria, and I will give thee two thousand horses, if thou be able on thy part to set riders upon them.

What if I don't wish to choose? Thank you but no thank you. My carnal mind [Pharoah] deceives me. It is enmity against God. Let me therefore work this day to discover the Inner Trust - to pledge to remove the baggage in my Shadow. I am immediately reminded of the warning to those who seek the Day of the Lord. It is a day of great darkness. There is much work to be done in each of us [especially me]. Let us go about the work to clean out the skeletons locked away in the Shadow.

Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Amo 5:19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.

Amo 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

For a trust pledged could imply UNDERTAKING - a promise - of which one Voluntarily binds one's self into duty to another [Public]. The consideration for any undertaking is Statute. For it is the Statute which provides the liability. I ask the question in jest: "Does a Statute need to be written not to steal for one to know it is not good to steal?" If you say no, then why lean on Egypt at all?

An officer of trust elected with proper oath sits subject to the bylaws [liabilities upon his office]. One who is not elected or appointed to office must be granted License to Undertake on behalf of the Public or To the Public. He who undertakes promises. Thusly an undertaking is a ONE SIDED contract with the consideration being the liability to the Public Trust - of which- dear reader the Undertaker is also a member! And therefore the undertaking is a benefit upon society!

There can never be peace when it is kept at the end of a gun!

And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul.
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold.
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last.
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll.


God is not an American! Why has it been lost on many that we are called elohim. A great mystery unfolds right before our very eyes for God is Elohim. And if we be of the same kind - well then, dear reader - you do the math. Perhaps Love shall win the day and the elohim will begin to act not in duty but for what is the good of all. God blessed forever Amen

Consider now the way of Cain - is Faith based. The way of Abel is Love based! Which do you perceive is better?

It appears today that Faith [husband] is married to Love [wife] but it should be the other way around. For it is Faith which should submit to Love.

I will quote from Gibson's book sec. 930.

Resulting trusts are those which arise where the legal estate is disposed of, or acquired, without bad faith, and under such circumstances that equity infers or assumes that the beneficial interest in said estate is not to go with the legal title. These trusts are sometimes called presumptive trusts, because the law presumes them to be intended by the parties, from the nature and character of the transactions. They are, however, generally called resulting trusts, because the trust is the result which Equity attaches to the particular transaction.
Resulting trusts arise: 1, when the property is conveyed, or devised, on some trust which fails, in whole or in part ; 2, When land is conveyed to a stranger without any consideration, and without any use, or trust, declared ; 3, Where the property is purchased and the title taken in the name of one person, but the purchase price is paid by another ; and 4, Where the purchaser pays for the land but takes the title, in whole or in part, in the name of another.

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Resulting trust is all about asking for possession of the legal title. If successful the important question remains..what does one with MJ's "new eyes" do with their newly acquired legal title?

Can you please provide us with a real world example of how resulting trust would provide a remedy to your granted right to counsel in a criminal matter instead of stating a bunch of seemingly unconnected thoughts in a pontificating manner? Otherwise the poster's stated content is spurious at best and provides nothing of practical USE.


If you want to get a handle on the foregoing just talk to a lawyer and specifically begin to ask questions. At some point if you press in too much, the response will invariable be "I have no trust IN YOU".
Invariable response? How did you come to those results...or should I just trust your word for it?

ohiofoiarequest
12-25-15, 05:39 AM
Just remember once someone begins to Understand [stand surety] for FRS or central banking scheme there is a quasi-contract in UNDERTAKING. Thusly the constitutions war against that one as he sold himself of his own free will. Art 1 Sec 10 fights against that one. So the court is just upholding contractual duties and obligations. So if a man enter into a contract he does it to himself.

Pain can be a wonderful teacher for those who have eyes to see.

And we can all thank whatever sky wizard we pray to that contracts are voidable or reformable for various elements of Fraud, Mistake, etc. Ignorance of a peculiar or specific right is one of many things that can be shown on a properly drafted bill to give the chancellor a reason to come to the ignorant party's aid.

allodial
12-25-15, 06:01 AM
Consider now the way of Cain - is Faith based. The way of Abel is Love based....

???? Hardly.

george
12-25-15, 06:14 AM
hi ohiofoiarequest,

good stuff it seems that you bring with you here. more info and perspective to at the least consider but hopefully much more will come from it.

the guys are the best of the best IMO so its nice to read words from another out there who can discuss things with them. for me, that seems the only way to get what they discuss. Ive really learned alot from them this way.


Care to elucidate a bit more on your thoughts here?

good luck with that one! Ive asked him that dozens of times at least. sometimes its fruitful but I dont bother much anymore.

hope ya stick around. thanks

hi pumpkin,

yes "Govern-mental" exactly, thats the one that really got me started looking at words much differently than before. Ive been heading in a more phonic direction most recently. what sounds are the words composed of? (and why) just seems the right direction. cant trust the spells or much else either so why not see where the sound leads.

thanks

george
12-25-15, 06:19 AM
???? Hardly.

see.. this right here.. I saw that too (about cain and able) and thought for sure it would get more attention. Im undecided on most things here but more info always seems useful so I love this place!

thanks

Michael Joseph
12-25-15, 07:22 AM
???? Hardly.

Cain is a tiller of the ground - he builds his religions - state based and ordained = Jereboam
Abel stewards the sheep of God = Love

Cain tries to birth Love out of Faith.
Abel births faith out of love.

Those who would build do so with either one of the other stones - Love or Faith. A wise master builder will lay the foundation in Love. Nevertheless the world seems to only see Faith at this time. Unfortunately.

Zec 13:5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.

Zec 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

It seems duty and obligations mind set is prevailing over serving in Love. In the former peace is but an illusion a fickle bird which flies away and must be caged at the end of a gun. In love there need not exist a policing power. Until that day Cain mindset will always seek to kill Abel mindset.

Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Gen 9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

Michael Joseph
12-25-15, 07:28 AM
And we can all thank whatever sky wizard we pray to that contracts are voidable or reformable for various elements of Fraud, Mistake, etc. Ignorance of a peculiar or specific right is one of many things that can be shown on a properly drafted bill to give the chancellor a reason to come to the ignorant party's aid.

Or, one may sit down as a Husbandman in the Earth stewarding a claim. But that would require a knowledge of international law and thusly the knowledge of the outer, inner and most holy courts.

Answer me this: Whereof is Property birthed? And whereof is Estate formed?

Michael Joseph
12-25-15, 07:42 AM
Invariable response? How did you come to those results...or should I just trust your word for it?

yes that is true and no man should trust another so to your point, I would always maintain do not trust one single word that I have ever written - study to show thyself approved.

All things are subject to the Husbandman for it is His Vineyard and thusly subject to His courts. Thusly Claim, Dominion, Property, Estates should be examined carefully in regard to how these are established.

allodial
12-25-15, 09:08 AM
Cain is a tiller of the ground - he builds his religions - state based and ordained = Jereboam
Abel stewards the sheep of God = Love

Cain and Nimrod are historically regarded to have built religions based on coercive violence and to have built cities through kidnapping (reducing men to chattel -> temple desecration?)--blind coercive faith is perhaps hoped for to keep that kind of system together. Because he saw the value in others trusting him doesn't mean he necessarily trusted anyone else.

God's sons and children know the significance of the verifiable, pragmatic and provable faith by which the worlds were created. For, faith is: [1] the substance of things hoped for, [2] the evidence of things not seen.


By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. --Hebrews 11:4

David Merrill
12-25-15, 04:25 PM
hi ohiofoiarequest,

good stuff it seems that you bring with you here. more info and perspective to at the least consider but hopefully much more will come from it.

the guys are the best of the best IMO so its nice to read words from another out there who can discuss things with them. for me, that seems the only way to get what they discuss. Ive really learned alot from them this way.



good luck with that one! Ive asked him that dozens of times at least. sometimes its fruitful but I dont bother much anymore.

hope ya stick around. thanks

hi pumpkin,

yes "Govern-mental" exactly, thats the one that really got me started looking at words much differently than before. Ive been heading in a more phonic direction most recently. what sounds are the words composed of? (and why) just seems the right direction. cant trust the spells or much else either so why not see where the sound leads.

thanks

Sorry I don't spend more time reading. I like to be up front and to follow up my comments, to teach people what I have found is successful.

David Merrill
12-25-15, 04:47 PM
Care to elucidate a bit more on your thoughts here? I wasn't able to draw any meaning from what you linked other than the P-Appellant's statement concerning his reason for instigating the action..typical grasping-for-straws action instigated by disgruntled mortgagor who wasn't able to perform their undertaking or remedy the default? Or something I'm missing?

Some patriots feel that all federal court is or should be Article III judiciary. Some others feel that there is no Article III court available. In my complaint about Colorado criminal syndicalism I allow for some leverage that I may take this matter into Article III original jurisdiction with the US Supreme Court.



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On Page 10 of 110 in the linked Complaint I speak of 153 and the Right Side of the Boat. This is akin to what MJ might be speaking about when he designates OFFICES to Cain and Abel. I model this to be more akin to a dialogue in Shutter Island during the storm about Men of Violence and Violent Men. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mD74D6LitM) This is because the same Mark (stigma) is upon both the Sons of Evil and the Sons of Man. Which OATH is both the mark upon Cain's forhead and the mark upon Sons of Seth, Exodus 13:16. Notice how the Complaint indicts a criminal syndicalism based in distorting oaths of office so that government is protected from the people, rather than the other way around.

So possibly one reason that I simply pass over requests for more explanation is my way of providing way too much information? After all, should this be filed into the US Supreme Court under Rule 17.1 it could easily lead to hundreds of convicts, even confessed criminals demanding their cases be reviewed and retried because the judicial officers were defrauding their own courtrooms...

What I offer in the complaint is a quiet way around all that. After all, I appreciate the Men of Violence keeping a rein on Violent Men.

pumpkin
12-27-15, 02:04 PM
"hi pumpkin,

yes "Govern-mental" exactly, thats the one that really got me started looking at words much differently than before. Ive been heading in a more phonic direction most recently. what sounds are the words composed of? (and why) just seems the right direction. cant trust the spells or much else either so why not see where the sound leads."

The thing that really got me looking into law was the 501C3. The churches didn't ever need the exemption, and it didn't exist until the '50s. It is a blatant attempt for the servant to conquer his master's master. It is despicable. It takes God out of the hearts and minds of men concerning politics (this is where no preaching at the pulpit comes from). A government that will do this, will do anything and everything (already shown to be true). They are inspired by true evil (though most don't know or realize it).

walter
12-27-15, 06:14 PM
Some patriots feel that all federal court is or should be Article III judiciary. Some others feel that there is no Article III court available. In my complaint about Colorado criminal syndicalism I allow for some leverage that I may take this matter into Article III original jurisdiction with the US Supreme Court.


Article III federal courts versus United States District Courts


https://supremecourtcase.wordpress.com/

Michael Joseph
12-27-15, 11:25 PM
Cain and Nimrod are historically regarded to have built religions based on coercive violence and to have built cities through kidnapping (reducing men to chattel -> temple desecration?)--blind coercive faith is perhaps hoped for to keep that kind of system together. Because he saw the value in others trusting him doesn't mean he necessarily trusted anyone else.

God's sons and children know the significance of the verifiable, pragmatic and provable faith by which the worlds were created. For, faith is: [1] the substance of things hoped for, [2] the evidence of things not seen.

Yes but try to think about the inner temple - Me or You. Cain is an aspect of me which seeks the "I" it is my personality which seeks to dominate and rule under my understandings of which I was and am able to discern thru my experience [tilling the ground] - Abel is an aspect of Me and You which is a shepherd of God's Truths.

When these are seen as aspects in Me then the work is undertaken to reverse the roles. In love I do not require trust - I require Honor. Trust is subject to Love. Faith is wonderful - but let us push past Faith into Perfection which is the union of Love - Wisdom - Truth.

Pilate, the lower aspect, asked of Jesus, the higher aspect, "what is truth?" This is a symbol to show that the lower cannot understand what is higher and the higher must redeem the lower. Faith is wonderful and is in fact a Title Deed to the Vineyard - but Love is better. I find many religions today propagated by the use of fear.

What is interesting to me is that the "burden of proof is cast upon the believer." Why is this so? Who has the claim one who claims God or one who denies God? Are these not both claims? Can one man save another? If not, then why is the burden of proof cast upon the believer? And this burden of proof is it not propounded in words? What of a man's deeds?

I do not think that man has been reduced to chattel, rather I think Trust Accounts were created of which man makes a use and in doing so his deeds subject said one to the administration of said accounts. The husbandman [men] know it is not lawful to tax a son of the living God.

Genesis 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Nevertheless, the Husbandmen also know that All Things are subject to the claim establishing dominion.

Gen 9:2 And the reverence of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

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For instance the preacher says "look at the signs of the times" and yet what does Jesus say?

Mat_12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah:

Clearly he speaks not to men and women having physical sex without the wedding bed - and yet the Carnal reflects a higher truth!

Make a promise - keep a promise. And the lower shall be made subject to the higher.

george
12-27-15, 11:29 PM
Answer me this: Whereof is Property birthed? And whereof is Estate formed?

yes, very good question to ask ourselves. Ive heard some say that property is what is proper to a man and this makes a lot more sense to me that anything else, would you agree?

and estate, is interest in a state, correct?


yes that is true and no man should trust another so to your point, I would always maintain do not trust one single word that I have ever written - study to show thyself approved.



sometimes Im not sure I can even trust my self.. and consider that may be an even bigger problem than trusting others or maybe even why i dont trust others. if that makes sense, can anyone else relate to it?



All things are subject to the Husbandman for it is His Vineyard and thusly subject to His courts.

i find myself puzzeled by this but I know you have covered it elsewhere and I should "get it" by now so I think I need to spend more time reading older posts again.



Thusly Claim, Dominion, Property, Estates should be examined carefully in regard to how these are established.

yeah! one wrong move and... but on the other side of that coin, one can become paralyzed by too much caution. more study indeed required no doubt.




So possibly one reason that I simply pass over requests for more explanation is my way of providing way too much information? After all, should this be filed into the US Supreme Court under Rule 17.1 it could easily lead to hundreds of convicts, even confessed criminals demanding their cases be reviewed and retried because the judicial officers were defrauding their own courtrooms...

What I offer in the complaint is a quiet way around all that. After all, I appreciate the Men of Violence keeping a rein on Violent Men.

possibly, but that would seem to indicate that you think some here might initiate such events. and it does seem reasonable (the quiet way around all that) but the system is chewing up lots of good men, women and families and it is certainly not getting any better in fact it seems to be steamrolling to say the least so I worry about the future for the very young and yet unborn here. does this not cross your mind?




The thing that really got me looking into law was the 501C3. The churches didn't ever need the exemption, and it didn't exist until the '50s. It is a blatant attempt for the servant to conquer his master's master.


it would seem so.


It is despicable. It takes God out of the hearts and minds of men concerning politics
(this is where no preaching at the pulpit comes from). A government that will do this, will do anything and everything (already shown to be true). They are inspired by true evil (though most don't know or realize it).


well.. I can relate to this but i also consider it may be also part of a god or gods plan somehow. its hard to see it like this though but if so that would require lots of exercise in forgiveness i suppose. this is something I think about alot. why this is. I just truely hope that it is actually a divinely inspired plan instead of an evil one.


thanks

Michael Joseph
12-27-15, 11:39 PM
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

The foregoing begs a global trust of which all of mankind will receive a mark but that some will overcome is also stated...

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

and further in a saying of Jesus we are commanded to seek knowledge - Gospel of Thomas. And that when one finds one will not taste death.

Shalom,
MJ

THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS (anything in parenthesis is added)

2) Jesus said, The one who seeks (For the meaning of these words) should not leave off, (But) keep on seeking (For it) until he finds (The mystery). When he finds (The meaning, the mystery), he will be troubled (Labor and find life and) will marvel. When he is troubled (and) when he marvels, then he will be surprised, (for) he will reign (Over the world) (and) rule over the all (Verse 4). And when he rules then he will rest (The Sabbath rest, in the 7th millennium).

3) Jesus said, Should those who lure (and) lead you say, 'behold, the Kingdom is up in the sky (Only the religious leaders can understand it),then the birds of the sky (Religious leaders, who consume the seed, or Word of God) will beat you to it (Hide the keys and defraud you of it --verse 39; Luke 11:52). If they should tell you, 'it is under the earth (Subject to earthly, or scholarly teachings), (Or) in the sea (Subject to the teachings of the Church),' then the fish of the sea (Christian leaders) will beat you to it. It is rather that the Kingdom is both within you and without (You don’t need leaders to see it). Those of you who know yourselves (Life, light, authority, truth) will find out (Through laboring and finding life) that this is true. When you (Have labored, and) find out who you are, you will then
become known (In the biblical sense, when Jesus becomes you--verse 108), and will recognize that you are the sons of the living Father (Verse 106). But if you do not (Labor and come to) know yourselves, you dwell in (Fleshly) poverty and you are yourselves that poverty (Fleshly).

4) Jesus said, Let the man who is old in days (Religious men at the end of the age) not hesitate to ask a small child of seven days (The Elect, in the 7th millennium) about the place of life (Verse 50), and he (By asking the Elect on that Sabbath day of rest) will come alive (By coming to grasp the meaning of these words). For many who are first (Those influenced by infiltrators, Jude 4 etcetera) will become last (Abased, stripped of their kingdom), and the last (The Elect), first (Exalted, elevated, given to reign). They will indeed become one and the same (Come to agree with the Elect).

5) Jesus said, Know what is before your face (The secret message encoded within the Scriptures) and what is concealed (The keys to this secret language--verse 39; Luke 11:52) from you will be revealed to you. For nothing is hidden (By the scribes and Pharisees --verse 39; Luke 11:52; and afterwards the Church) that will not be revealed, (The keys will be restored) nor is anything buried (Under an earthly teaching) that will not be raised (Seen in its higher-level meaning).

39) Jesus said, The Pharisees and the scribes (and later, the Early Church infiltrators) have taken the keys of knowledge (of the higher-level meaning; see also Luke 11:52.) and hidden them (Behind the fleshly locks of earthly images). They themselves have not entered (By knowledge of these keys into the Kingdom), nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to (Seeing as they saw the light within those images and suppressed them, thereby blaspheming the Holy Spirit). You, however, be as wise as serpents (The scribes and Pharisees Matthew 23:33, 12:34, etcetera,) and as innocent as doves (The Elect).

40) Jesus said, A grapevine (The false Church) has been planted outside of the Father (The knowledge of the mystery), but being unsound, (Rooted in the teachings of men) it will be pulled up by its roots and destroyed. (By Jesus, the true vine John 15:1)

pumpkin
12-28-15, 12:58 PM
"well.. I can relate to this but i also consider it may be also part of a god or gods plan somehow."

I certainly believe that it is. IMO, the Truth has died from this earth. We have a front row seat of the deception, corruption and lies that comes with that separation from the Truth. The Truth has died so that we shall live, and make the right choices in the spiritual world when that separation from the Truth ends. It doesn't mean we should not oppose it, but it may also mean that we cannot win.

Michael Joseph
12-28-15, 01:33 PM
"well.. I can relate to this but i also consider it may be also part of a god or gods plan somehow."

I certainly believe that it is. IMO, the Truth has died from this earth. We have a front row seat of the deception, corruption and lies that comes with that separation from the Truth. The Truth has died so that we shall live, and make the right choices in the spiritual world when that separation from the Truth ends. It doesn't mean we should not oppose it, but it may also mean that we cannot win.

The Gospel of Thomas (added for clarity)

63) Jesus said, There was a rich man (The infiltrators of the Church) who had much money (The true wealth, or keys of knowledge). He said, ‘I shall put my money to use (Hide these keys and replace them with my own teaching) so that I may sow, reap, plant, (For my own selfish purposes)and fill my (own) storehouse with produce (For my own power and glory and gain) with the result that I (Thus taking the Kingdom by treachery) shall lack nothing. Such were his intentions, but that same night (The 2,000-year age) he died (Himself lost the keys to the truth). Let him who has ears (Both levels of understanding) hear.

79) A woman from the crowd said to him, blessed are the womb (Judaism, see Galatians 1:15) which bore you and the breasts (Old and New Testaments) which nurtured you. (Christianity) He said to her, Blessed are those (The Elect) who have heard the word of the Father (Spirit-level, as opposed to the mother, which is the flesh and blood level) and have truly kept it (As opposed to the Jews and Christians, who did not). For there will be days (The 2 spiritual days; the 2,000 years given over to the Adversary to try the Church) when you will say, 'blessed are the womb which has not conceived (True Judaism, Christianity) and the breasts (The Word of God in its higher sense) which have not given milk (The teachings for those not ready for the meat of the word).’

Isaiah 54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

87) Jesus said, Wretched is the body (Lifeless Christian Canon; Church) that is dependent upon a body (Lifeless Jewish Canon; synagogue), and wretched is the soul (Human reasoning, according to the secret book of James ) that is dependent on these two (Their superficial understanding of the 2 dead Testaments).

74) He said, O Lord, there are many around the drinking trough, (The Canon; or that which contains the water, or word) but there is nothing in the cistern. (Their focus is on the cistern, or Canon, and so cannot draw out any more water, or word from it.)

97) Jesus said, The Kingdom of the [Father] (Which comes from a proper insight into the Scriptures) is like a certain woman (The Church) who was carrying a jar full of meal. (Like the cistern, cup, or the 24 prophets, etcetera; a container full of the word and its understanding; the complete Scriptures.) While she was walking [on] a road, (The road is representative of both traditions and time; that which has been travelled and taught before, so again) still some distance from home, (The Kingdom) the handle of the jar broke (The faulty concept of the Canon led to the loss of Scriptures) and the meal (Scriptures, along with their understanding) emptied out behind her (In time) on the road (Over time, due to this confusion). She did not realize it; (The Church took this tradition for granted because the Jews had done it before) she had noticed no accident. (She imagined she was doing God’s will.) When she reached her house, (When the Church was centralized, organized and established) she set the jar down (Established an official Canon) and found it empty. (Since all she was left with was the surface-level understanding, like the empty cistern in verse 74.)

101) <Jesus said,> Whoever does not hate his father and his mother (Christianity and Judaism) as I do cannot become a disciple to me (Since they keep you from seeing him). And whoever does [not] love his (Spiritual) Father (Who disciplines us) and his mother (Who gives spiritual birth to us) as I do (Who brought him forth in spirit and truth) cannot become a [disciple] to me (Since it takes spiritual rebirth and discipline). For my (False, physical) mother (Religion, as opposed to his true mother below) [gave me death] (The fleshly understanding), but [my] true (Spiritual) [mother] (The comforter) gave me (True, spiritual) life.

86) Jesus said, [the foxes (Like Herod, who knew the truth, which he got from John) have their holes] (Their places within earthly institutions) and the birds (Religious leaders) have [their] nests (High offices), but the son of man has no place (Office or position) to lay his head and rest. (For the 2,000 years.)

BLBereans
12-28-15, 03:29 PM
The belief that "The Gospel of Thomas" should be considered as authoritative and divinely inspired as the traditional gospels is based upon the assumption that the Thomas "gospel" was written either at the same time as, or perhaps even earlier than, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

However, if we consider the possibility that this text was originally written in Syriac and likely taken from its source, Tatian's Diatessaron, we no longer have the "first-hand" sayings of Jesus, do we?

For those interested in investigating and verifying...

THOMAS: THE FIFTH GOSPEL? (http://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/49/49-1/JETS_49-1_67-80_Perrin.pdf)

David Merrill
12-28-15, 04:20 PM
I enjoy reading the Gospel of Thomas and do not think it a true Gospel, according to general definition. It would seem that Christians are quite biased and should not be doing the defining too.

The Nazarene Gospel Restored explains and reveals several major editing events around the Nicene Council and in light of Pragmatism, my interpretation of the Gospel of Mark the other four Gospels of the Bible were following suit, to protect the survived King Jesus while he hovered over the Jerusalem throne in Damascus.

I imagine that the link, based in the preconceived definition about "Gospel" is like studying James CAMERON's The Lost Tomb of Jesus (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImXzFHZF9xOXZnZWM/view?usp=sharing) without actually reading it.

So that is what I suggest. Read it for yourselves (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImcVlwbXRCQmJReVU/view?usp=sharing). I call the Gospel of Thomas - "Slogans of Jesus". I think it quite more inspired than the Book of Mark as it only conveys the trusting and joyful aspects of Jesus' ministry without the commercial basis of integrating Paul's Benjamin heritage of sacrifice.

Michael Joseph
12-28-15, 04:32 PM
The belief that "The Gospel of Thomas" should be considered as authoritative and divinely inspired as the traditional gospels is based upon the assumption that the Thomas "gospel" was written either at the same time as, or perhaps even earlier than, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

However, if we consider the possibility that this text was originally written in Syriac and likely taken from its source, Tatian's Diatessaron, we no longer have the "first-hand" sayings of Jesus, do we?

For those interested in investigating and verifying...

THOMAS: THE FIFTH GOSPEL? (http://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/49/49-1/JETS_49-1_67-80_Perrin.pdf)

I think you wise to question everything, but I would like you to consider that there are three items found in the Ark of the Covenant. The Tables are clearly symbolic of the O.T. Aaron's Rod that buds [Reed] is clearly the N.T. and yet there remains a Golden Bowl with "Hidden Manna" within. Manna is food [teachings]. Thusly, consider that perhaps there are many other books that did not make it into the Reed [canon].

In fact, St. Paul quotes from many extra-canonical sources. Of course, trust no man, study to show thyself approved unto God. If one can read or recognize the hidden language in symbols then one is not in need of a canon. Nevertheless, each according to what he/she can eat. And thusly be satisfied.

Exo 16:17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.

Exo 16:18 And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.

george
12-28-15, 04:44 PM
hi BLBereans,

thanks for that, I will be reading it also. I like to consider all perspectives on such things and also appreciate MJ and his great effort to clarify his, certainly valid IMO especially if you consider what pumpkin wrote there.

part of what is difficult for me to accept about the traditional christain interpretations of the words is the group think, mob mentality or hive mind aspect of it. not attempting an attack on you or any others beliefs when I say that either, just pointing it out as that does seem to be how it is. if it wright or wrong, I do not know for certain. it does seem to be exactly the same type of issue that jesus was facing in a lot of ways if we are to consider any of what has been written by other men about it.

David, when I was a kid, I used to read the KJV a lot and so much of it was so strange that once I found a red letter edition, I started reading only the red letter because it was much easier for a child to understand.

I dont know exactly who this man was or if he even existed but I do think that at least most of the words that have been written that are purportedly from him, make the most sense out of all the words written in the KJV.


thanks

BLBereans
12-28-15, 05:17 PM
I enjoy reading the Gospel of Thomas and do not think it a true Gospel, according to general definition. It would seem that Christians are quite biased and should not be doing the defining too.

The Nazarene Gospel Restored explains and reveals several major editing events around the Nicene Council and in light of Pragmatism, my interpretation of the Gospel of Mark the other four Gospels of the Bible were following suit, to protect the survived King Jesus while he hovered over the Jerusalem throne in Damascus.

I imagine that the link, based in the preconceived definition about "Gospel" is like studying James CAMERON's The Lost Tomb of Jesus (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImXzFHZF9xOXZnZWM/view?usp=sharing) without actually reading it.

So that is what I suggest. Read it for yourselves (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImcVlwbXRCQmJReVU/view?usp=sharing). I call the Gospel of Thomas - "Slogans of Jesus". I think it quite more inspired than the Book of Mark as it only conveys the trusting and joyful aspects of Jesus' ministry without the commercial basis of integrating Paul's Benjamin heritage of sacrifice.

Good advice. Read it for yourselves and also read about the author (Robert Graves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Graves)) and his neo-pagan presuppositions regarding his "fallen White Goddess" whom most believe he sought to restore perhaps more diligently than his questionable "restoration" of the Gospels.

The White Goddess (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Goddess)

BLBereans
12-28-15, 05:32 PM
I think you wise to question everything, but I would like you to consider that there are three items found in the Ark of the Covenant. The Tables are clearly symbolic of the O.T. Aaron's Rod that buds [Reed] is clearly the N.T. and yet there remains a Golden Bowl with "Hidden Manna" within. Manna is food [teachings]. Thusly, consider that perhaps there are many other books that did not make it into the Reed [canon].

In fact, St. Paul quotes from many extra-canonical sources. Of course, trust no man, study to show thyself approved unto God. If one can read or recognize the hidden language in symbols then one is not in need of a canon. Nevertheless, each according to what he/she can eat. And thusly be satisfied.

Exo 16:17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.

Exo 16:18 And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.

True. However, why does there exist a great insistence about the timing of the writing of the Thomas "gospel" by those who wish to assert its authority and inspiration as equal to the four canonical gospels? Doesn't that matter in regards to its claimed authenticity? The title in your post says it all, "These are the secret words which the Living Jesus spoke and Didymos Judas Thomas wrote". Really?

If that claim is proven untrue, then what of the rest of it? Also, the four Gospels have 4 key elements in common whereas these are either contradicted, diminished or ignored in the other non-canonical "gospels"...

(1) the apostolic preaching about Jesus, from the beginning, involved four key elements; (2) all four of the canonical gospels have these four elements in common; and (3) the extracanonical gospels do not, and in most cases do not clearly have any of them. These four key elements, identified by Paul in the mid fifties and clearly representing an even earlier tradition, are summarised in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4: (i) the identity of Jesus as the Christ, anointed by the creator God of Israel, (ii) his fulfilment of the Jewish Scriptures, (iii) his effective atoning death on behalf of others, and (iv) his bodily resurrection from death.

source (http://thinktheology.co.uk/blog/article/bntc_2014_the_difference_between_the_gospels_and_t he_gospels1)

If there exists contradictions in fundamental theology between the Four Gospels and the non-canonical "gospels", what do you hold as true?

BLBereans
12-28-15, 05:40 PM
hi BLBereans,

thanks for that, I will be reading it also. I like to consider all perspectives on such things and also appreciate MJ and his great effort to clarify his, certainly valid IMO especially if you consider what pumpkin wrote there.

part of what is difficult for me to accept about the traditional christain interpretations of the words is the group think, mob mentality or hive mind aspect of it. not attempting an attack on you or any others beliefs when I say that either, just pointing it out as that does seem to be how it is. if it wright or wrong, I do not know for certain. it does seem to be exactly the same type of issue that jesus was facing in a lot of ways if we are to consider any of what has been written by other men about it.

David, when I was a kid, I used to read the KJV a lot and so much of it was so strange that once I found a red letter edition, I started reading only the red letter because it was much easier for a child to understand.

I dont know exactly who this man was or if he even existed but I do think that at least most of the words that have been written that are purportedly from him, make the most sense out of all the words written in the KJV.


thanks

You are welcome george. For the most part, you are right regarding the mainstream and modern-era Christian mind-set and beliefs. Also, I do not recognize the Roman adoption and practice of the "Christian" religion as having any basis or foundation of the true message and teachings of Jesus the Christ. It is an amalgamation of Romanism, paganism and "Christianity" which is yet another spin-off of Nimrod's original false religion.

In my opinion, all "religions" that deny the deity of Jesus the Christ and the personal nature of God the Creator as being ALWAYS Higher and distinct from His creation, are ALL the same.

Michael Joseph
12-28-15, 06:51 PM
True. However, why does there exist a great insistence about the timing of the writing of the Thomas "gospel" by those who wish to assert its authority and inspiration as equal to the four canonical gospels? Doesn't that matter in regards to its claimed authenticity? The title in your post says it all, "These are the secret words which the Living Jesus spoke and Didymos Judas Thomas wrote". Really?

If that claim is proven untrue, then what of the rest of it? Also, the four Gospels have 4 key elements in common whereas these are either contradicted, diminished or ignored in the other non-canonical "gospels"...

(1) the apostolic preaching about Jesus, from the beginning, involved four key elements; (2) all four of the canonical gospels have these four elements in common; and (3) the extracanonical gospels do not, and in most cases do not clearly have any of them. These four key elements, identified by Paul in the mid fifties and clearly representing an even earlier tradition, are summarised in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4: (i) the identity of Jesus as the Christ, anointed by the creator God of Israel, (ii) his fulfilment of the Jewish Scriptures, (iii) his effective atoning death on behalf of others, and (iv) his bodily resurrection from death.

source (http://thinktheology.co.uk/blog/article/bntc_2014_the_difference_between_the_gospels_and_t he_gospels1)

If there exists contradictions in fundamental theology between the Four Gospels and the non-canonical "gospels", what do you hold as true?

For instance do we suppose that St. Paul was leading a doomsday suicide cult when we read the following or perhaps maybe he means something other than the literal words? I guess what I am getting at is once you know you don't need anyone to teach you.

2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

I do not repose a certain confidence in literalism or formalism readings of Scriptures. For instance Jesus is said to be the lamb slain before the foundation of the world and then later said that the spiritual place of the crucifixion is Egypt and Sodom. The literalist would say He was slain outside of the city at a place call Golgotha [skull] or at Calvary [skull]. Nevertheless, all are true. But it only appears there is conflict until the light behind the symbol is revealed.

Therefore I come from the light as a child of the Father of lights.

It is as Jonah commanded his thoughts [men in the ship] to throw Me overboard!

Jonah 1:15 So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging.

A trust is reposed and established in one who makes a use of a reed established by others. Who established that reed [canon] and what were the uses and purposes? Why did they not tell the readers of the other books that were being cited within their reed? For if other books are being cited, then what of their reed?

I sit not as judge, we can eat what we can and be satisfied.

Shalom,
MJ

BLBereans
12-28-15, 07:34 PM
For instance do we suppose that St. Paul was leading a doomsday suicide cult when we read the following or perhaps maybe he means something other than the literal words? I guess what I am getting at is once you know you don't need anyone to teach you.

2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

I do not repose a certain confidence in literalism or formalism readings of Scriptures. For instance Jesus is said to be the lamb slain before the foundation of the world and then later said that the spiritual place of the crucifixion is Egypt and Sodom. The literalist would say He was slain outside of the city at a place call Golgotha [skull] or at Calvary [skull]. Nevertheless, all are true. But it only appears there is conflict until the light behind the symbol is revealed.

Therefore I come from the light as a child of the Father of lights.

It is as Jonah commanded his thoughts [men in the ship] to throw Me overboard!

Jonah 1:15 So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging.

A trust is reposed and established in one who makes a use of a reed established by others. Who established that reed [canon] and what were the uses and purposes? Why did they not tell the readers of the other books that were being cited within their reed? For if other books are being cited, then what of their reed?

I sit not as judge, we can eat what we can and be satisfied.

Shalom,
MJ

Some would not conclude "doomsday suicide cultism" from the literal words; it all depends upon one's presuppositions. Further, some would also recognize that perhaps the literal and spiritual meanings co-exist and are the synergistic teachings of an omniscient Creator who meets us where we are. God knows ALL and He is not constrained by time and space, therefore he knows what will transpire literally and uses that to teach us lessons that transcend the literal happenings, not render them "unreal" or illusionary.

The books are a guide from our Creator written by the chosen few who He inspired over time. If we believe in Divine Providence, we realize there is something bigger and greater than we at work in the unseen realm and those who ask, seek and knock will not be ignored by Him. If there are texts which fundamental contradict the four Gospels regarding the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus The Christ of Nazareth, then we must honestly acknowledge that and choose whom we shall serve. As for me and my house...

george
12-28-15, 07:53 PM
If there are texts which fundamental contradict the four Gospels regarding the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus The Christ of Nazareth, then we must honestly acknowledge that and choose whom we shall serve. As for me and my house...

those choices may not be so limited though (as in this or that) thats why I like to see why others have made their choice, or why they "express trust"

recently there has been a resurgence of the flat earth thinkers, I lack trust almost completely it seems so Ive been looking at their data and you know what, some of it actually adds up!

expressing trust seems pretty easy compared to expressing dis-trust. it is a good way to find out who is truly forgiving and genuinely honest though, I think. not very enjoyable way to be (distrustful) though, I can say that with confidence if nothing else.

Michael Joseph
12-28-15, 07:55 PM
Some would not conclude "doomsday suicide cultism" from the literal words; it all depends upon one's presuppositions. Further, some would also recognize that perhaps the literal and spiritual meanings co-exist and are the synergistic teachings of an omniscient Creator who meets us where we are. God knows ALL and He is not constrained by time and space, therefore he knows what will transpire literally and uses that to teach us lessons that transcend the literal happenings, not render them "unreal" or illusionary.

The books are a guide from our Creator written by the chosen few who He inspired over time. If we believe in Divine Providence, we realize there is something bigger and greater than we at work in the unseen realm and those who ask, seek and knock will not be ignored by Him. If there are texts which fundamental contradict the four Gospels regarding the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus The Christ of Nazareth, then we must honestly acknowledge that and choose whom we shall serve. As for me and my house...

Right on - THEY DO COEXIST. That is what Thomas is telling us. But when the Light is found hidden in the symbol then the small fish are thrown out and the Great Fine Fish is kept! Thusly we have TWO ears. One to hear the fleshly lower meanings and one to hear the Spiritual meaning - Light. You might say it another way - the pearl of great price.

"Bent my ear to hear the tune
and closed my eyes to see."

James_1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.



Shalom,
MJ

xparte
12-28-15, 09:43 PM
The following
Gnosticism is based on a mystical, intuitive, subjective, inward, emotional approach to truth which is not new at all. It is very old, going back in some form to the Garden of Eden, where Satan questioned God and the words He spoke and convinced Adam and Eve to reject them and accept a lie. He does the same thing today as he “prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). He still calls God and the Bible into question and catches in his web those who are either naïve and scripturally uninformed or who are seeking some personal revelation to make them feel special, unique, and superior to others. Let us follow the Apostle Paul who said to “test everything. Hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21), and this we do by comparing everything to the Word of God, the only Truth. Let no one disqualify you, insisting on [asceticism the doctrine that one can reach a high spiritual state through the practice of extreme self-denial or self-mortification or TRUSTS] Gnosticism is perhaps the most dangerous heresy that threatened the early church during the first three centuries.It threatened TRUSTS and order . Influenced by such philosophers as Plato, Gnosticism is based on two false premises. First, it espouses a dualism regarding spirit and matter. Gnostics assert that matter is inherently evil and spirit is good. As a result of this presupposition, Gnostics believe anything done in the body, even the grossest sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only.CARNALITY needs no permission if it feels good do it.

Second, Gnostics claim to possess an elevated knowledge, a “higher truth” known only to a certain few. Gnosticism comes from the Greek word gnosis which means “to know.” Gnostics claim to possess a higher knowledge, not from the Bible, but acquired on some mystical higher plain of existence. Gnostics see themselves as a privileged class elevated above everybody else by their higher, deeper knowledge of God. A Pharisees claim or the Lords trust what is greater. in the spirit or in so many words?The biblical view of Jesus affirms His complete humanity as well as His full deity. can man be trusted in this grace.

To discredit the idea of any compatibility between Christianity and Gnosticism, one has only to compare their teachings on the main doctrines of the faith. On the matter of salvation, Gnosticism teaches that salvation is gained through the acquisition of divine knowledge which frees one from the illusions of darkness. Although they claim to follow Jesus Christ and His original teachings, Gnostics contradict Him at every turn. Jesus said nothing about salvation through knowledge, but by faith in Him as Savior from sin. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9). Furthermore, the salvation Christ offers is free and available to everyone (John 3:16), not just a select few who have acquired a special revelation.

Christianity asserts that there is one source of Truth and that is the Bible, the inspired, inerrant Word of the living God, the only infallible rule of faith and practice (John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Hebrews 4:12). It is God’s written revelation to mankind and is never superseded by man’s thoughts, ideas, writings, or visions. The Gnostics, on the other hand, use a variety of early heretical writings known as the Gnostic gospels, a collection of forgeries claiming to be “lost books of the Bible.” Thankfully, the early church fathers were nearly unanimous in recognizing these Gnostic scrolls as fraudulent forgeries that espouse false doctrines about Jesus Christ, salvation, God, and every other crucial Christian truth. There are countless contradictions between the Gnostic “gospels” and the Bible. Even when the so-called Christian Gnostics quote from the Bible, they rewrite verses and parts of verses to harmonize with their philosophy, a practice that is strictly forbidden and warned against by Scripture (Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32; Proverbs 30:6; Revelation 22:18-19). From the numerous uncanonical Gospels which circulated during the first centuries of the Church. First of all, they commended themselves by their tone of simplicity and truthfulness, which stood in striking contrast with the trivial, absurd, or manifestly legendary character of many of those uncanonical productions. In the next place, they had an earlier origin than most of their apocryphal rivals, and indeed many of the latter productions were directly based on the canonical Gospels. A third feature in favour of our canonical records of Christ's life was the purity of their teachings, dogmatic and moral, over against the Jewish, Gnostic, or other heretical views with which not a few of the apocryphal gospels were tainted, and on account of which these unsound writings found favour among heretical bodies and, on the contrary, discredit in the eyes of Romans . Lastly, and more particularly, the canonical Gospels were regarded as of Apostolic authority, Authority is what you alone give Christ the reference to a Gospel is the trust you share with the word . who said to “test everything. Hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21), and this we do by comparing everything to the Word of God, the only Truth. Ask why we carry so much bad is because its only in trust .Refer to the word and adjust any trust. this cut and paste is the reference to what was already written not how one might trust any words not spoken.

BLBereans
12-28-15, 11:13 PM
those choices may not be so limited though (as in this or that) thats why I like to see why others have made their choice, or why they "express trust"

recently there has been a resurgence of the flat earth thinkers, I lack trust almost completely it seems so Ive been looking at their data and you know what, some of it actually adds up!

expressing trust seems pretty easy compared to expressing dis-trust. it is a good way to find out who is truly forgiving and genuinely honest though, I think. not very enjoyable way to be (distrustful) though, I can say that with confidence if nothing else.

Actually, it is limited to "this or that"; there is the express trust and belief in the deity of Jesus The Christ, His birth, life, ministry, death and resurrection as told by His historically accurate and contemporary disciples, and then there is everything else. The "everything else" denies the former and it matters not what costumes they wear or what customs they practice or what claims they make; they are all from the camp of the denial of Jesus The Christ as God Incarnate. That is a fact, however, all are free to make the choice and what you choose is what you get.

Also, any "religion" that claims certain people have higher standing and/or authority over the rest of the people is rehashing the religion of the Pharisees; the synagogue of Satan.

As far as the flat earth goes; the bible was not meant to be a science book. However, the language in the scriptures is plain and the flat earth position was held until very recently, historically speaking. No one can say for 100% certain that the world is a sphere since the only "proof" are pictures and information provided to the people by those who vigorously hide and guard the facilities and research surrounding "space-travel" (Area 51?).

My take on this is study who put forth the ideas of a heliocentric model and a global (spherical) earth and what/who their affiliations were. What beliefs did they, and their cohorts, hold which resulted in these ideas being put forth so widely among "intellectuals" and then fed to the "masses". Study the aspect of who benefits from these ideas and what specific faith or belief is put in question as a result of the adoption of these ideas.

Find out the true reason why those who opposed the geocentric earth model cared so much about spreading that theory far and wide and realize the same tactic and influence was used and spread by Darwinism.

george
12-29-15, 01:09 AM
Actually, it is limited to "this or that"; there is the express trust and belief in the deity of Jesus The Christ, His birth, life, ministry, death and resurrection


i see that but speaking/writing for myself only (as much as it seems to be me anyway) cant confirm or deny at this time. I also see a claim being made here too though.



as told by His historically accurate and contemporary disciples,

it seems so but that also is another claim.



and then there is everything else. The "everything else" denies the former

yes, and this troubles me and many others I think because of how it is used as a divide and conquer tactic.



and it matters not what costumes they wear or what customs they practice or what claims they make;
but they are not actually the one(s) making the claims are they? seems to me they are (sometimes at least) trying to rebut a belief or presumption but yes, they also make claims to the contrary and so in those cases they should also bear the same burden, as all other claimants, of proof.

* thought occurs that this might have something todo with separation of church and state doctrine? hmmm..



they are all from the camp of the denial of Jesus The Christ as God Incarnate. That is a fact,
I dont think it is the same "camp" and in most cases it would seem that they are not denying any facts but only beliefs.



Also, any "religion" that claims certain people have higher standing and/or authority over the rest of the people is rehashing the religion of the Pharisees; the synagogue of Satan.
dont they all do that?



As far as the flat earth goes; the bible was not meant to be a science book. However, the language in the scriptures is plain and the flat earth position was held until very recently, historically speaking. No one can say for 100% certain that the world is a sphere since the only "proof" are pictures and information provided to the people by those who vigorously hide and guard the facilities and research surrounding "space-travel" (Area 51?).

My take on this is study who put forth the ideas of a heliocentric model and a global (spherical) earth and what/who their affiliations were. What beliefs did they, and their cohorts, hold which resulted in these ideas being put forth so widely among "intellectuals" and then fed to the "masses". Study the aspect of who benefits from these ideas and what specific faith or belief is put in question as a result of the adoption of these ideas.

Find out the true reason why those who opposed the geocentric earth model cared so much about spreading that theory far and wide and realize the same tactic and influence was used and spread by Darwinism.

this whole flat earth thing is too much, Im seeing faults on both sides. certainly something to consider and keep an open mind.




After all, should this be filed into the US Supreme Court under Rule 17.1 it could easily lead to hundreds of convicts, even confessed criminals demanding their cases be reviewed and retried because the judicial officers were defrauding their own courtrooms...

What I offer in the complaint is a quiet way around all that. After all, I appreciate the Men of Violence keeping a rein on Violent Men.


after more thought about this, if this is truly crimes in the name of justice and one has all the facts in evidence to stop this crime but chooses not to, does that not also implicate them as accessory to those same crimes? how does this "quiet way" avoid that?

I ask these things not with any ill will or intent, towards you David, only in an effort to learn. I want to be able to help myself certainly, but also my fellow man and it seems to me that a corruption of justice would be the highest crime of all crimes so if I can learn how to be a part of the solution for the greater good, I want to do that. you seem to have something here that could possibly change everything (a few things actually) but it doesnt seem to be propagating as it should. hopefully Im just missing that propagation and it is occurring.

theres probably a lot that is best not posted on the web i guess too but Ive got to at least make an honest effort to figure these things out. I am thankful for your efforts though, you have openly shared a whole lot of info that has helped many in many ways Im sure and I will continue to go over what you have made and kept available here but its much harder to piece it together without more you see.

some of these "men of violence" have become violent men, lots of them lately according to independent reports and are killing many innocent men and women. I look for way to correct this problem (metro cops gone wild) and what you present seems a way to by pass it at that level and cut it of at the root brother! no? it may not have ruined your life but it has for way too many others. it cant go on like this, it cant. NO!

well, as usual, thanks

ohiofoiarequest
12-29-15, 04:49 AM
What does it mean to express trust in Jesus?

Hopefully he will stop by and weigh in...although I hear he's been awfully busy lately mowing people's yards and blowing their loose leaves into neat little piles.

BLBereans
12-29-15, 02:26 PM
What does it mean to express trust in Jesus?

Hopefully he will stop by and weigh in...although I hear he's been awfully busy lately mowing people's yards and blowing their loose leaves into neat little piles.

I assume your comment to be both a joke and rhetorical. Not sure about the "yards and leaves" stuff though; is that supposed to be a jab at gardeners of South American descent (Hay-soos)?

BLBereans
12-29-15, 03:46 PM
Quote Originally Posted by BLBereans
Actually, it is limited to "this or that"; there is the express trust and belief in the deity of Jesus The Christ, His birth, life, ministry, death and resurrection


i see that but speaking/writing for myself only (as much as it seems to be me anyway) cant confirm or deny at this time. I also see a claim being made here too though.

Faith, trust and belief is not about "confirmation" without, it's confirmation within and that only comes when you ask and God determines you are ready to receive. It is different for everyone since we area all individual and unique children of God. It is a claim of faith made by choice; we were created with the freedom to choose and that makes all the difference.



Quote Originally Posted by BLBereans
as told by His historically accurate and contemporary disciples,

it seems so but that also is another claim.

It is. However, the more uncovering and discovery occurs, the more evidence arises of the accuracy of biblical accounts. There are countless scientists and archeologists out there to research and study if one has the inclination and desire for truth.



Quote Originally Posted by BLBereans
and then there is everything else. The "everything else" denies the former

yes, and this troubles me and many others I think because of how it is used as a divide and conquer tactic.

More of a unite and conquer tactic against ALL that is evil as per the original intent and message of Jesus of Nazareth. History shows He made it clear who He was/is and He was crucified for it. One either believes in Him or not; sometimes things are black and white.


Quote Originally Posted by BLBereans
and it matters not what costumes they wear or what customs they practice or what claims they make;

but they are not actually the one(s) making the claims are they? seems to me they are (sometimes at least) trying to rebut a belief or presumption but yes, they also make claims to the contrary and so in those cases they should also bear the same burden, as all other claimants, of proof.

* thought occurs that this might have something todo with separation of church and state doctrine? hmmm.

It all stems from the original lie in the garden; an evil polemic of the adversary against Him who created ALL things. The original "religion" of man started in Babylon which used, continued and expanded the original lie into an evil empire "hell bent" on gathering all people in rebellion against God. When God scattered them and confused their languages, each division kept a piece of the original "religion" of Babylon and the transformation into the many "religions" of man ensued. The end-time goal for the evil one(s) is to gather everyone back together and unite once again to fight THE battle against God and His anointed Son, King and High Priest - Jesus The Christ.

The supposed "separation of church and state" doctrine must be studied through the eyes and minds of the original writers of the founding documents of this nation. What was the culture and motivation behind the establishment clause and the freedom to practice religion sentiment. Was it to protect government from religion or the other way around? When one studies the reasons why they left England and desired to become separate from the King's rule, the answer is clear.


Quote Originally Posted by BLBereans
they are all from the camp of the denial of Jesus The Christ as God Incarnate. That is a fact,

I dont think it is the same "camp" and in most cases it would seem that they are not denying any facts but only beliefs.

A denial is a denial. One either believes Jesus was/is who He is or not. The "That is a fact" comment is regarding the denial, not any provable fact regarding Jesus' nature which can only come by faith and trust in God.


Quote Originally Posted by BLBereans
Also, any "religion" that claims certain people have higher standing and/or authority over the rest of the people is rehashing the religion of the Pharisees; the synagogue of Satan.

dont they all do that?

Mostly, yes. However, the true teachings of Jesus makes it clear that we are all saints and we are all of equal value in the Body even though we may have different talents and purposes in this life. There is a respect for "elders" as experience and wisdom should be honored and acknowledged, but that is just common sense isn't it? The office of Pastor, Minister, Priest, Reverand, etc in the modern era are all remnants of the Roman civil rule and hierarchy system.


Quote Originally Posted by BLBereans
As far as the flat earth goes; the bible was not meant to be a science book. However, the language in the scriptures is plain and the flat earth position was held until very recently, historically speaking. No one can say for 100% certain that the world is a sphere since the only "proof" are pictures and information provided to the people by those who vigorously hide and guard the facilities and research surrounding "space-travel" (Area 51?).

My take on this is study who put forth the ideas of a heliocentric model and a global (spherical) earth and what/who their affiliations were. What beliefs did they, and their cohorts, hold which resulted in these ideas being put forth so widely among "intellectuals" and then fed to the "masses". Study the aspect of who benefits from these ideas and what specific faith or belief is put in question as a result of the adoption of these ideas.

Find out the true reason why those who opposed the geocentric earth model cared so much about spreading that theory far and wide and realize the same tactic and influence was used and spread by Darwinism.

this whole flat earth thing is too much, Im seeing faults on both sides. certainly something to consider and keep an open mind.

Yes, it is too much. The eye test usually tells the story though. Do you really think that both you, I and the whole earth are spinning so rapidly and constantly at all times that you just can't feel it?

BLBereans
12-29-15, 05:41 PM
Right on - THEY DO COEXIST. That is what Thomas is telling us. But when the Light is found hidden in the symbol then the small fish are thrown out and the Great Fine Fish is kept! Thusly we have TWO ears. One to hear the fleshly lower meanings and one to hear the Spiritual meaning - Light. You might say it another way - the pearl of great price.

"Bent my ear to hear the tune
and closed my eyes to see."

James_1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.



Shalom,
MJ

I can agree with that insofar as the Creator/creation model is not discarded. In other words, the higher meaning in NO way diminishes the relevance, realness and goodness of matter; the tangible earth and everything created in it.

This age and existence is in a fallen state due to the express trust given to the adversary by Eve and the first Adam. The resulting separation and expulsion from His intimate communion with them caused sin to enter the entire world through them and, therefore, making it inevitable for all of us. We do not inherit their own personal sin, however, our tendency toward sinning became exponentially greater and our ability to live out our lives without committing sin is impossible due to the separation and expulsion caused by the original sin.

That is why it was necessary for God to incarnate as Jesus The Christ in order to redeem us from said sin and save us from the wages of sin - death. He is the only man to live a perfect life completely absent of sin. He therefore took the burden of everyone's sin upon His shoulders to "buy us back". The value of His life more than made up for the sins of the entire world and that offer cannot be refused in honor and good faith. That is why the Adversary continues to accuse God's children while at the same time deceiving them/us and hiding the truth from them/us. That tactic is no match for a true believer as the power of God conquers ALL and we can wield that power by choosing to believe.

george
12-29-15, 06:18 PM
BLBereans, thanks for taking the time and the effort to converse here with me/us about these things in such an honorable way.


What does it mean to express trust in Jesus?

Hopefully he will stop by and weigh in...although I hear he's been awfully busy lately mowing people's yards and blowing their loose leaves into neat little piles.


good question. but for some reason I was expecting more from you, not less.. I guess it means there is a trust there and that it can be honored. dishonored, or be given more consideration. dishonor doesnt seem reasonable to me though nor does a lack of consideration.

what do you think it means?

Michael Joseph
12-29-15, 08:13 PM
what do you think it means?

Consider that if one truly trusts then one will obey. Jesus says - why call me Lord and do no that which I command? Thusly a trust reposed is a confidence vested in another. Therefore it is a belief a faith vested.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

G4100 - pisteuo?

From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.


One expresses one's trust in word and in deed. I express in writing or in speech - DECLARATION OF TRUST. Then I do a deed which is Executory in its nature and which expresses and implies my original intent.

And God said
And God saw
And God named

Thusly was a Vineyard planted and let out to Husbandmen [trustees] with the goal of bringing forth "good fruit".

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

We see just below the crown, Wisdom and Understanding but understanding is functioned upon Knowledge. Thusly we return to trust for how shall we obtain true knowledge with limited senses? Is not our understanding merely a cistern upon which we learn to lean? How then shall we trust upon such limited knowing?

Whereof is the intuition granted of God?

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Peter walked and talked with Jesus and we see him denying THE WORD three times before the end of the age [cock crowing]. But look at Paul who never met Jesus - Paul is not a literalist. Paul speaks of Christ forming in a man. Thusly Declare Thyself and then let your words match your deeds.

For the beginning of things is Faith, but then there is Love which leads to proper works. And the woman is saved in childbirth. For she is given TWO great wings = O.T. and N.T. whereof she flies into the Wilderness - but we are not of the world but must remain in the world for Moses upon enlightenment walked back down the Mountain but the people in their lusts of their flesh could not hear the Spiritual Man.

Barnabas 10:3
Accordingly he mentioned the swine with this intent. Thou shalt not cleave, saith he, to such men who are like unto swine; that is, when they are in luxury they forget the Lord, but when they are in want they recognize the Lord, just as the swine when it eateth knoweth not his lord, but when it is hungry it crieth out, and when it has received food again it is silent.

Barnabas 10:4
Neither shalt thou eat eagle nor falcon nor kite nor crow. Thou shalt not, He saith, cleave unto, or be likened to, such men who know not how to provide food for themselves by toil and sweat, but in their lawlessness seize what belongeth to others, and as if they were walking in guilelessness watch and search about for some one to rob in their rapacity, just as these birds alone do not provide food for themselves, but sit idle and seek how they may eat the meat that belongeth to others, being pestilent in their evil-doings.

Barnabas 10:11
Again Moses saith; Ye shall eat of everything that divideth the hoof and cheweth the cud. What meaneth he? He that receiveth the food knoweth Him that giveth him the food, and being refreshed appeareth to rejoice in him. Well said he, having regard to the commandment. What then meaneth he? Cleave unto those that revere the Lord, with those who meditate in their heart on the distinction of the word which they have received, with those who tell of the ordinances of the Lord and keep them, with those who know that meditation is a work of gladness and who chew the cud of the word of the Lord. But why that which divideth the hoof? Because the righteous man both walketh in this world, and at the same time looketh for the holy world to come. Ye see how wise a lawgiver Moses was.

Barnabas 10:12
But whence should they perceive or understand these things? Howbeit we having justly perceived the commandments tell them as the Lord willed. To this end He circumcised our ears and hearts, that we might understand these things.

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The planter of the vineyard can appoint himself as Husbandman.

Gen 9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

Oh the depths of the Scriptures! But in regard to intuition : And Enoch walked with God....

Best Regards,
MJ

P.S.

Barnabas 2:7 And He saith again unto them; Did command your fathers when they went forth from the land of Egypt to bring Me whole burnt offerings and sacrifices?

Barnabas 2:8 Nay, this was My command unto them, Let none of you bear a grudge of evil against his neighbor in his heart, and love you not a false oath

Barnabas 3:3 But unto us He saith; Behold, this is the fast which I have chosen, saith the Lord; loosen every band of wickedness, untie the tightened cords of forcible contracts, send away the broken ones released and tear in pieces every unjust bond. Break thy bread to the hungry, and if thou seest one naked clothe him; bring the shelterless into thy house, and if thou seest a humble man, thou shalt not despise him, neither shall any one of thy household and of thine own seed.

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From the Secret Book of James

Jesus speaking:

Become zealous about the word. For the word’s first condition is faith; the second is love; the third is works. Now from these comes life. For the word is like a grain of wheat. When someone sowed it, he believed in it; and when it sprouted, he loved it, because he looked forward to many grains in the place of one; and when he worked it, he was saved, because he prepared it for food. Again he left some grains to sow. Thus it is also possible for you all to receive the Kingdom of Heaven: unless you receive it through knowledge, you will not be able to find it.

Therefore I say to you, be sober. Do not go astray. And many times I have said to you all together - and also to you alone, James.

Comment: James the Righteous [or Just] is where Jesus said to go:

James is the instrument of the Mind which is built up by soul-qualities through aspiration and enlightenment. He signifies Air (Mind).

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From Gospel of Thomas:

53) His disciples said to him, is (Physical) circumcision beneficial or not? He said to them, If it were beneficial, their Father (The light within the image of the flesh) would beget them already circumcised (In the flesh) from their (Fleshly) mother (Physical, surface-level teaching, traditions, etcetera). Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become (Over process of time) completely profitable (Such that we can now transcend the fleshly teaching).

ohiofoiarequest
12-30-15, 01:17 AM
Using Illinois law for instance...same will apply to whatever venue worldwide..refer to the leading jurisprudence literature in your jurisdiction...

When parties engage in certain relationships such as attorney and client, principal and agent, trustee and beneficiary, or partners, a fiduciary or confidential relationship arises as a matter of law. It is also clear that, even in the absence
of such traditional categorizations, the relationship will be found to exist as a matter of fact when one party reposes trust and confidence in another
who thereby gains a resulting influence and superiority over the first.
See McFail v. Braden,19 Ill.2d 108, 166 N.E.2d 46, 51 – 52 (1960); Collins v. Nugent, 110 Ill.App.3d 1026, 443 N.E.2d
277, 66 Ill.Dec. 594 (1st Dist. 1982). In determining whether a fiduciary relationship has arisen, factors to be considered are degree of kinship, if
any, disparity in age, health, mental condition, education, and business experience between the parties, and the extent to which the allegedly subservient party entrusts the handling of his or her business and financial affairs to the other and
reposes faith and confidence in the other. The mere existence of a confidential relationship prohibits the dominant party from seeking any selfish benefit. Collins, supra; In re Estate of Wernick, 151 Ill.App.3d 234, 502 N.E.2d 1146, 104 Ill.Dec. 486 (1st Dist. 1986).
See also In re
Estate of Long,
311 Ill.App.3d 959, 726 N.E. 2d 187, 244 Ill.Dec. 591 (4th Dist. 2000);
Ransom
v. A.B. Dick Co.,
289 Ill.App.3d 663, 682 N.E.2d 314, 322, 224 Ill.Dec. 753 (1st Dist. 1997).
A power of attorney gives rise to a general fiduciary relationship between the grantor of the power and the grantee as a matter of law. Lemp v. Hauptmann,
170 Ill.App.3d 753, 525 N.E.2d
203, 121 Ill.Dec. 397 (5th Dist. 1988). See also Robert S. Hunter, ESTATE PLANNING AND
ADMINISTRATION IN ILLINOIS §78.9 (3d ed. 1997), for further guidance on whether a fiduciary relationship exists.


Elements of a trust:
1. Purpose
2. Parties
3. Intent
4. Specific Trust Res
5. Method of Formation

Trusts reside with the inherent exclusive jurisdiction of Equity.

The exclusive jurisdiction of equity is where the conscience of the state resides.

The Equity jurisdiction has been called the conscience of the laws.

In fact, there is a book called The Conscience of the Law.

Highly recommend this book in order to make sense of how the world is operating for these past few thousand years (at least).

Many societies have existed without law....."Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them."

My family, count me among the "unbelievers" who do by nature the things required by law, thereby fulfilling every jot and tittle. I am a law unto myself (faithfully executing the special trust reposed within me by g-d) and my conscience bears witness...my thoughts accuse me and alternately defend me. I prefer responsibility to dogma. Mother informed me that g-d helps those who help themselves. A lesson many well intended Xtians have gone to the grave never learning, I suspect.

pumpkin
12-30-15, 12:17 PM
"The mere existence of a confidential relationship prohibits the dominant party from seeking any selfish benefit."

It will take much more than a 'mere existence'.

george
03-03-16, 06:09 PM
Using Illinois law for instance...same will apply to whatever venue worldwide..refer to the leading jurisprudence literature in your jurisdiction...

When parties engage in certain relationships such as attorney and client, principal and agent, trustee and beneficiary, or partners, a fiduciary or confidential relationship arises as a matter of law. It is also clear that, even in the absence
of such traditional categorizations, the relationship will be found to exist as a matter of fact when one party reposes trust and confidence in another
who thereby gains a resulting influence and superiority over the first.
See McFail v. Braden,19 Ill.2d 108, 166 N.E.2d 46, 51 – 52 (1960); Collins v. Nugent, 110 Ill.App.3d 1026, 443 N.E.2d
277, 66 Ill.Dec. 594 (1st Dist. 1982). In determining whether a fiduciary relationship has arisen, factors to be considered are degree of kinship, if
any, disparity in age, health, mental condition, education, and business experience between the parties, and the extent to which the allegedly subservient party entrusts the handling of his or her business and financial affairs to the other and
reposes faith and confidence in the other. The mere existence of a confidential relationship prohibits the dominant party from seeking any selfish benefit. Collins, supra; In re Estate of Wernick, 151 Ill.App.3d 234, 502 N.E.2d 1146, 104 Ill.Dec. 486 (1st Dist. 1986).
See also In re
Estate of Long,
311 Ill.App.3d 959, 726 N.E. 2d 187, 244 Ill.Dec. 591 (4th Dist. 2000);
Ransom
v. A.B. Dick Co.,
289 Ill.App.3d 663, 682 N.E.2d 314, 322, 224 Ill.Dec. 753 (1st Dist. 1997).
A power of attorney gives rise to a general fiduciary relationship between the grantor of the power and the grantee as a matter of law. Lemp v. Hauptmann,
170 Ill.App.3d 753, 525 N.E.2d
203, 121 Ill.Dec. 397 (5th Dist. 1988). See also Robert S. Hunter, ESTATE PLANNING AND
ADMINISTRATION IN ILLINOIS §78.9 (3d ed. 1997), for further guidance on whether a fiduciary relationship exists.


Elements of a trust:
1. Purpose
2. Parties
3. Intent
4. Specific Trust Res
5. Method of Formation

Trusts reside with the inherent exclusive jurisdiction of Equity.

The exclusive jurisdiction of equity is where the conscience of the state resides.

The Equity jurisdiction has been called the conscience of the laws.

In fact, there is a book called The Conscience of the Law.

Highly recommend this book in order to make sense of how the world is operating for these past few thousand years (at least).

Many societies have existed without law....."Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them."

My family, count me among the "unbelievers" who do by nature the things required by law, thereby fulfilling every jot and tittle. I am a law unto myself (faithfully executing the special trust reposed within me by g-d) and my conscience bears witness...my thoughts accuse me and alternately defend me. I prefer responsibility to dogma. Mother informed me that g-d helps those who help themselves. A lesson many well intended Xtians have gone to the grave never learning, I suspect.


good stuff here! I was just reading this: http://thefederalmafia.homestead.com/files/8_my_law.ps.pdf

David Merrill
03-03-16, 06:36 PM
I have had problems with the heirs of the beneficiaries trusting in the Trust. Without this trust there is anxiety and bickering even while the settling beneficiaries are still alive and kicking.

xparte
03-03-16, 08:23 PM
Judgment and authority is agreement .The Greek satirical war council degenerate would claim No fighting in the WAR room. Finding fallacy is important only if dogmatic ,Ordinarily the separating of trust has a gospel or good news accuracy .The Greek Septuagint, was widely accepted and was even used in many synagogues. God's Word to man. That Word must not be disguised in phrases that are no longer clear, nor be hidden under words that have changed or lost their meaning. It must stand forth in language that is direct and plain and meaningful to people today. A stop sign is acceptable at all intersections a Gospels accuracy or development depends on a regional oneness,Gospel itself followers are joined within a stopover finding good news is a never at one stop. any destination or issued authority that's been civilized hastily acceptable troubleshooting , agenda and its attention includes a gospel of Thomas much like ones own agenda and its attention to spiritual truths .

george
03-03-16, 08:44 PM
yes, perhaps communication could have been better.. and a coat or arms mightve been the last straw. "cant fight your way off the battlefield"

Michael Joseph
03-03-16, 10:24 PM
yes, perhaps communication could have been better.. and a coat or arms mightve been the last straw. "cant fight your way off the battlefield"

In the end a man is just left with his word. Did he keep it or not. If he made a promise he should keep it. If he entered into a contract, then he should abide by the terms. It is a shame when the sanctity of contract has been compromised due to the fact that supposed grown men can't keep their word. Thusly, daddy steps in [courts/government] to settle the squabbles of "little children" who unfortunately think that public opinion has more validity than a signed contract.

I suppose this is just par for the course - ORGY IN AMERICA. Help me daddy, help me, I'm drowning in my own deceit and hypocrisy. For at once while railing against government one then begs like a hooker for help to annul ones own word. A double minded man is of course Unstable in ALL OF HIS WAYS.

The Fat and the Battle belongs to the Lord. I am mere witness to His Glory performed in Me. Nevertheless, I choose free will else what is the use of all the misery? "They are spoon feeding Casanova" on Desolation Row. "Here comes the blind commissioner, they got him in a trance, one hand is tied to the tightrope walker the other one is in his PANTS."

Who understands? I wonder? Ego, Vanity and Pride - three unwelcome friends to the man of constant sorrow. And yet, who is this complaining about being spoiled when he entered into a contract? While the rest of the world stands by looking with mouth agape, the wheel is in spin. And I for one feel sorry for him. For DIVINE LAW is going to kick his ass - and there is nothing that can be done. He did it to himself. His greed won back his "precious" but at the cost of lying and defamation of character about another. He who bears false witness brings double the penalty upon his own head.

Just ask any Religion - instant Karma is gonna get you - or you reap what you sow - if you prefer. And we all stand at the casement of our windows and peek out and watch - what will happen. I can already tell you - george - the State will inherit. That's what. For the Ego has demanded it and it will be so. He brought this on his own head by lying and defaming the character of one who only had his best interests in mind. It is not too difficult to ascertain of whom I write. But I remain abstruse for the matter is recondite in its nature - especially upon those who would read fairy tales and think them real.

The wheel is in spin and I would hate to be in his shoes when the MIRROR looks back upon him. Indeed the Kingdom is within and those who deny this fact do so to their own peril. Cross Eyed Mary NEVER signs a contract but always plays the game. There are TWO women - the Wise and the Fool. You choose of which you will sit under.

Pro 8:1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
Pro 8:2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
Pro 8:3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.

Pro 9:13 A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.
Pro 9:14 For she sitteth at the door of her house, on a seat in the high places of the city,

Pro 10:1 A wise son maketh a glad father: but a foolish son is the heaviness of his mother.
Pro 10:2 Treasures of wickedness profit nothing: but righteousness delivereth from death.
Pro 10:3 The LORD will not suffer the soul of the righteous to famish: but he casteth away the substance of the wicked.

I do indeed feel a sorrow for this man who has lied and has been deceitful and has defamed the character of one who loved him. He may think himself secure in his possessions today, but tomorrow the wheel is in spin and it is turning and returning back upon he who judged another unjustly. Perhaps he will repent and recant himself of his falsity - will pride keep him static?

Where have the virtues gone? Where is love and faith? Has the sun gone black and the moon turned to blood? Will flesh win out....Let's see what Zimmy had to say long ago...

Now the moon is almost hidden
The stars are beginning to hide
The fortune-telling lady
Has even taken all her things inside
All except for Cain and Abel
And the hunchback of Notre Dame
Everybody is making love
Or else expecting rain
And the Good Samaritan, he's dressing
He's getting ready for the show
He's going to the carnival tonight
On Desolation Row.

That gets it done. I wonder if there is one who could love another who breaches his own contract? I think so, or I hope so. But Ego and Pride and Vanity - must be sent away. These three fair weather friends only seem to bring poor ole Job down. Back to Zimmy....

While some on principles baptized
To strict party platforms ties
Social clubs in drag disguise
Outsiders they can freely criticize
Tell nothing except who to idolize
And then say God Bless him.

An' though the rules of the road have been lodged
It's only people's games that you got to dodge
And it's alright, Ma, I can make it.

BE STRONG my friend - chazaq. You know who you are. While I don't wish the wheel to spin around upon the other - that is Divine Law - For : "A court is in session and a verdict is in. There is no appeal on on the docket today just my own sin"....Creed.

I do truly feel a sorrow for the man who would not pay his own vows. Jimi gets it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IhCZZmrQ2g)

Shalom,
MJ

ohiofoiarequest
03-04-16, 02:11 AM
good question. but for some reason I was expecting more from you, not less.. I guess it means there is a trust there and that it can be honored. dishonored, or be given more consideration. dishonor doesnt seem reasonable to me though nor does a lack of consideration.

what do you think it means?

Trusts can be implied/proven by actions. Actions speak louder than words. Engaging in a pattern of conduct which reflects kingdom principles of loving our neighbors as ourselves brings out the fulness of human potential spoken of by the ancient prophets of messianism. Most of the time when we think something is a trust we want to be the beneficiary but rather let me be the servant (trustee) and act wisely with fidelity and integrity for my master whose yoke is easy and burden light.

Michael Joseph
03-04-16, 02:29 AM
Trusts can be implied/proven by actions. Actions speak louder than words. Engaging in a pattern of conduct which reflects kingdom principles of loving our neighbors as ourselves brings out the fulness of human potential spoken of by the ancient prophets of messianism. Most of the time when we think something is a trust we want to be the beneficiary but rather let me be the servant (trustee) and act wisely with fidelity and integrity for my master whose yoke is easy and burden light.

The greatest in the kingdom is the servant. Where is he who will stand in the "gap" for others? I suppose I have no reason to expect anything from another unless we have a contract. Then i will pay my vows and I hope that the other would reciprocate.

"Jack Straw"

We can share the women, we can share the wine.
We can share what we got of yours 'cause we done shared all of mine. - Grateful Dead

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Speaking of Light - a word study

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Isa 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

Let us put on the Beautiful Garments [LIGHT RAINMENT] For we once as Abraham were called forth from Light [UR] whereupon we became naked of our light garments. Let us buy of God and put them back on!

H218 - UR
'ur
oor
The same as H217;

H217
'ur
oor
From H215; flame, hence (in the plural) the East (as being the region of light): - fire, light. See also H224.


Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

What is this WHITE RAINMENT? Let's look again....shall we?

G3022
leukos
lyoo-kos'
luke (“light”); white: - white.

Are you LUKE SKYWALKER? I wonder if you can determine the Woman Gerry is singing to (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSfOB8ANdWU)? She brought him into the Light! she is the beautiful Comforter. She is El Shaddai - She is Wisdom.

Pro 31:24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
Pro 31:25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
Pro 31:26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.

Pro 8:1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
Pro 8:2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
Pro 8:3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
Pro 8:4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.


Awake Abraham!

Shalom,
MJ

george
03-04-16, 03:04 AM
men should keep their word (their Bond) but they dont. it used to not be as bad and you could count on a mans word more often than not. Im not sure how it happened but these days I find very few men that I can sorta count on and none that I can absolutely count on. thats just a small part of the sad state of affairs called the world we live in now.


"the state will inherit" ? how can the dead inherit anything? I suppose "the state" could be instead of a corporation, a state of mind(s). mob rules type of stuff when multiple minds think alike. this is why public opinion is so influential in this sad state of affairs.

I certainly struggle with it but not even close to what David goes through lately. but this is where we are, a messed up place, so even when everything is in writing, signed & sealed, we cant count on it.

this deal has turned into David vs Goliath! David Merrill vs Goliath GO LIE ATH (The BAR Guild)

I dont know the details so maybe the state will inherit, I was just pointing out that maybe things may not have escalated to such a degree had there been a better communication and TBH i never could figure out the coat of arms deal, lots of symbolism but its a coat of arms for crying out loud! may as well be bearing arms.. thems fighting words/symbols! how could anyone even think that was a good idea?

there are brilliant people in this world but its always the simple stuff they cant seem to get. cant say for sure thats the case here but Ive been trying to communicate here long enough to have a hunch. and there is always three sides to every story.

Im not so brilliant but I do see things others seem to mis and even with no trust in fellow men, I still like to help them. that may be due to the residual effects of that religion stuff though or maybe by helping others my ego gets something out of it.. i dunno, it just feels right to me.

and surely some can relate but when you are helpful by nature then you naturally have higher expectations of others, so its a double edge I guess. youll certainly "see" when others are not so helpful.

I think David can win this battle and look forward to seeing the proof of that. He's something else I tell ya! and maybe someone else can figure out how he did it and explain it to the rest of us (in somewhat close to average speak) so we can all help each other in our corner of this messed up world.



forgive me if Ive touched on any sensibilities with this post brothers. Im just not good at being a joker or a Riddler. cant even play poker..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf-d-Ka30EY

David Merrill
03-04-16, 01:14 PM
Trusts can be implied/proven by actions. Actions speak louder than words. Engaging in a pattern of conduct which reflects kingdom principles of loving our neighbors as ourselves brings out the fulness of human potential spoken of by the ancient prophets of messianism. Most of the time when we think something is a trust we want to be the beneficiary but rather let me be the servant (trustee) and act wisely with fidelity and integrity for my master whose yoke is easy and burden light.

I enjoy how similar TRUST is to TRUTH. It works in so many ways.

David Merrill
03-04-16, 01:34 PM
forgive me if Ive touched on any sensibilities with this post brothers. Im just not good at being a joker or a Riddler. cant even play poker..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf-d-Ka30EY

No problem. It is good for me to carefully consider the heritage represented through a coat of arms. - How wise of an idea it was...

The sensitivity is about badgering beneficiaries with the facts. The facts being paper artifacts of entitlement - bearer bonds and deeds. So I will leave that there and hope you do too.

This led to Rectification of Judiciary. This is the kind of fun that was integrated into the trust in private conversations between two men with grounded but unbounded imaginations. What I discovered is that, and after yesterday's revelations I put it simply - there is no judiciary, just one big clearinghouse for the little dyke described by a dead image of a President, between the Fed and US Treasury.

What's wrong with that?

Nothing. - If you are aware of the trust law. This is why Michael Joseph may not be aware he is Visionary. To him, trust law makes sense and is the natural condition of civilized man, to comprehend contracts.


NOTICE that this jurisdiction may be extraordinary and nontraditional. In MY/OUR layman opinion this is the voice of the People through Me as First Trustee of the Resulting Trust exposing and complaining with a valid claim against criminal syndicalism in America, formulating primarily in Colorado - specifically the Fourth Judicial District and I will focus on one pretending judicial officer in particular who exemplifies the problems exposed and the resulting injuries to ME/US as this effects property rights essential to peaceable civil society.

Is it a violation of constitutional oath to breach trust by ignoring Article I, Clause 10 if the officer has never sworn to uphold the Constitution?

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My point is that all is good. This is what I am meant to be doing so it causes me no stress or anxiety - only peace and joy. I love it! That these pretend judicial officers have had to subtly deviate from form in the oaths in order to do business, settling trust disputes that are outside the original Preamble indenture is so delightfully easy that one really should think about this career path. As I watch Kung Fu on disk, the full series again things really come together considering I am simply not addressing a non-event. If religion is based in fear, does it exist at all?



P.S. Anxiety and fear fabricated in social media will some times raise its head. If I am in a sustainable Holy Instant then I no longer register the drama as attack. That seems to be my recurring Lesson - that at the moment I forgive myself for engaging in the fear, the alleged problem dissolves.

Michael Joseph
03-04-16, 02:11 PM
Nothing. - If you are aware of the trust law. This is why Michael Joseph may not be aware he is Visionary. To him, trust law makes sense and is the natural condition of civilized man, to comprehend contracts.

as for my part - I apologize if my style of writing caused some hurt. It was unintentional. Remember David that there are three Pharaoh's in Scripture. Abraham's, Joseph's and Moses'. These three control the Creature by different methods. In the end it is Free Will [Moses] which leads the "people" out of Egypt. I see the people as being part of one body as they are my thoughts and desires. Those who are not part of the same body [State of Being] are not "the People". Thusly the people form a trust Under Law. I never signed a contract that allowed me to be "We the People of the United States" and furthermore, noone ever issued a beneficial certificate indicating that I was a co-heir in the Estate.

I love that Kung Fu Panda movie. also that Puff the Magic Dragon movie the other day was wonderful. Many will go on about how the the Puff movie is about CQVT and Fiat money - if they would only look a bit deeper and see themselves. What occurs in the natural world is a reflection [bad] of what is in Spiritual. When one considered free will - what does that say about trust? It tells me that if one does nothing at all one is either ignorant or one agrees with the status quo.

In my understanding the formation of the Adam is that of the perfect State in Love. For he hid himself in the "trees" of the garden. The trees are either thought archetypes or other people [outer kingdom]. Scripture refers to the Creature as a Tree. Thusly there were many trees in the garden.

Can two walk together if they are unequally yoked? Can light and darkness have fellowship? Under which law should the "vows" be contemplated? Therefore trust formation is under Law. How is this possible? Examine the Trust Corpus - the Property - wherefrom was the Property derived? Whose Claim established the Property? Remember to be careful Property is NOT a Thing. Now consider Estate which is the nature of Property. As in Residential, Commercial, Real or Personal....etc. Is the property recorded in a Book or a Great Registry within the Law Boundary?

"[I]A question in your nerves is lit
Yet you know there is no answer fit to satisfy
Insure you not to quit
To keep it in your mind and not forget
That it is not he or she or them or it
That you belong to." - Bob Dylan

The Creature is subject to Ceasar and it's government[s]. The Spirit is subject to another Kingdom not of this world. Yesterday I was asked if I voted as some "campaigner" called to see if I would join up. When I said "I don't vote" you would have thought I shot his dog.

I remember when there were some who were writing bonds for some absurd amount - 300 Billion I think was the last I saw. These called themselves secured party creditors; however, in fact these sought to "Tap the Stock of the United States". Look that one up. If the United States has "stock" then there are certificates of Stock issued upon its shareholders under the existing contract.

Have a great day. MJ out...

ohiofoiarequest
03-04-16, 02:46 PM
No problem.


Is it a violation of constitutional oath to breach trust by ignoring Article I, Clause 10 if the officer has never sworn to uphold the Constitution?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discretionary_trusts_and_powers_in_English_law

Trusts are obligatory.

Powers are discretionary.

An original action in mandamus is a clear, adequate, efficient and speedy way to remediate a judicial abuse of discretion.

He who does not object, consents.

David Merrill
03-04-16, 07:06 PM
Thank you Ohio;


That is what I am calling NOTICE. Maybe I should change that to ORIGINAL ACTION IN MANDAMUS?



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Another way to look at it, as I watch a (probably Chinese) dignitary take flight with an unmarked fighter in tow... Is decide this day; If China was defrauded into believing debt has value and therefore bought up 20% of America's debt, and then the truth comes out through this original writ, does China own entitlement to America in full?

Or do we say that China should have known by common sense that debt has not value? Therefore ignorance of the (God's) law is no excuse. If somebody wants to believe in fables, they risked consequences. That is why Illusions are as important as the Five Cube Sum Number Locks in the Chart of the All:



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Please pay attention to the INCUBATOR - Divine Feminine - the womb is emotional in the middle.



Judicial function as a branch of government being replaced with a clearinghouse designed to settle the debt between both sides of the bill, left and right of the dead President, is a scary thought to most people. I think by MJ's recent post, that he is unafraid but still unaware he is a Visionary.

Fear is an equally important factor in the human history melodrama. I tried starting an explanation in another thread. The view of braided Fibonacci from the end of a double helix is a dodecahedron - the music identifying the musician. The DNA map is like the piano, the instrument.


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Fold it into 3-D:

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The relationships (rational as well as prime) in the Five Cube Sum Number Locks were developed through toggle (370-371) and dithered (like an auto-focus camera lense) into multidimensional FLUTTER. This is the Key to both CODEBREAKER (fast RSA Factoring Algorithm) and Artificial Intuition.



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george
03-05-16, 03:33 AM
after yesterday's revelations I put it simply - there is no judiciary, just one big clearinghouse for the little dyke described by a dead image of a President, between the Fed and US Treasury.

did that come as a surprise to you? many others have said over and over. do not go into their courts, I have no experience in them but too many other have shared theirs so its not hard to see why they say dont go in there.

thats one of the reasons what you are doing is (or was?) so interesting, I had pretty high hopes that you were the man to start a rectification revolution ;-)



What's wrong with that?

Nothing. - If you are aware of the trust law.

nothing? wernt you calling it criminal syndication before?



This is why Michael Joseph may not be aware he is Visionary. To him, trust law makes sense and is the natural condition of civilized man, to comprehend contracts.

MJ is certainly well beyond average comprehensions on the subject. ive only been able to grasp the basics of it, much of the credit goes to MJ for that too but im struggling to see how "civilized man" and "natural condition" can even be related.

and isnt trust law form of roman "civil" law? and i may be incorrect but it seems comprehending contracts iis one thing but comprehending trusts is another. seems to be lots of room for unethical behavior in some trust structures. not refering to anything weve discussed here but other places such as government but also my gradfathers brother wrote and published a book on trust law and from what my father tells me he also took advantage of everyone in the family with trust formations too and me being naturally suspicious, im not ready to trust any trust until I can completely comprehend them. lots to learn. www.lawfulmoneytrust.com seems to be the best place for that. if all goes well, i will enroll there at some point.






My point is that all is good. This is what I am meant to be doing so it causes me no stress or anxiety - only peace and joy. I love it!
glad to read that and glad you feel that way.




That these pretend judicial officers have had to subtly deviate from form in the oaths in order to do business, settling trust disputes that are outside the original Preamble indenture is so delightfully easy that one really should think about this career path.

that would require swearing an oath, would it not?




As I watch Kung Fu on disk, the full series again things really come together considering I am simply not addressing a non-event. If religion is based in fear, does it exist at all?

Kung Fu was not to bad a programming. and little house on the prairie too. I can tell you that most certainly religion does exist, aswell as fear. In some ways Im one of the most fearless but in other ways most fearful. its the damnedest thing!




If I am in a sustainable Holy Instant then I no longer register the drama as attack. That seems to be my recurring Lesson - that at the moment I forgive myself for engaging in the fear, the alleged problem dissolves.

I am sharing the same recurring lesson, and we wrote about this recently, you say forgive yourself for engaging in it, I can see that could work, to me it seems just blocking out the fear or ignoring it is easier and works better for me (less to think about) and I can do that when my life is literally on the line/edge but I cant seem to do it very well otherwise. I will get better at it, it seems god has given me no other choice but too ;-)

allodial
03-05-16, 05:29 AM
Apparently, "Fear not" or the like appears over 100 times in the Bible.


Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness. Isaiah 41:10

Related:
So How Many Times Is "Fear Not" Actually In the Bible?
(http://musingsofaministerswife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/fearnot_08272015_72.jpg)

Michael Joseph
03-05-16, 03:08 PM
Apparently, "Fear not" or the like appears over 100 times in the Bible.



Related:
So How Many Times Is "Fear Not" Actually In the Bible?
(http://musingsofaministerswife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/fearnot_08272015_72.jpg)

I like what Dr. Murray used to say - 365 times - once for every day of the year!

David Merrill
03-06-16, 12:50 PM
as for my part - I apologize if my style of writing caused some hurt. It was unintentional. Remember David that there are three Pharaoh's in Scripture. Abraham's, Joseph's and Moses'. These three control the Creature by different methods. In the end it is Free Will [Moses] which leads the "people" out of Egypt. I see the people as being part of one body as they are my thoughts and desires. Those who are not part of the same body [State of Being] are not "the People". Thusly the people form a trust Under Law. I never signed a contract that allowed me to be "We the People of the United States" and furthermore, noone ever issued a beneficial certificate indicating that I was a co-heir in the Estate...

Very courteous of you. But I did not find anything hurtful. Three Pharaoh's spells three days to me.

"Never signed a contract"? That is typically done through a Voter Registration; or as I have been pointing out, swearing in to government as an "officer". US citizen is an "officer"? This might be why some of the best testimony from the DA never gets on the Record? - Meaning the suitor will not record the conversation or even order up a transcript. One might assume the transcript will be scrubbed before it arrives...

It is already in the higher court, in the court of competent jurisdiction's "Mind of the Court".

I think all have signed on; just being here in the corporeal. I will develop that with George's post below.


I remember when there were some who were writing bonds for some absurd amount - 300 Billion I think was the last I saw. These called themselves secured party creditors; however, in fact these sought to "Tap the Stock of the United States". Look that one up. If the United States has "stock" then there are certificates of Stock issued upon its shareholders under the existing contract.

Have a great day. MJ out...

Those are the bills - the stock certificates. Congress was trusted with keeping the value in the DOLLAR bill. In 1913 Congress turned that over to the Fed and the Fed has driven it into the ground and beyond.


did that come as a surprise to you? [USDC is a clearinghouse.] many others have said over and over. do not go into their courts, I have no experience in them but too many other have shared theirs so its not hard to see why they say dont go in there.

thats one of the reasons what you are doing is (or was?) so interesting, I had pretty high hopes that you were the man to start a rectification revolution ;-)

My point was that if you introduce elastic currency (1913) then you have introduced criminal syndicalism. (Not the same as syndication?)

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nothing? wernt you calling it criminal syndication before?

It is very simple if religion does not exist. Being guilt and fear-based means it will dissolve upon forgiveness. The Gospel of Pragmatism unfolds in the Front Range Bible Belt (Colorado Springs) primarily by revealing Christianity Explored is a shadow network for Amway Corporation. The detonation of the mind bomb (Pragmatism) put the guilt of using CHRIST Jesus for commercial purposes up there far and sideways... as a complete nod of recognition that debt/death/doubt are very real things.


MJ is certainly well beyond average comprehensions on the subject. ive only been able to grasp the basics of it, much of the credit goes to MJ for that too but im struggling to see how "civilized man" and "natural condition" can even be related.

and isnt trust law form of roman "civil" law? and i may be incorrect but it seems comprehending contracts iis one thing but comprehending trusts is another. seems to be lots of room for unethical behavior in some trust structures. not refering to anything weve discussed here but other places such as government but also my gradfathers brother wrote and published a book on trust law and from what my father tells me he also took advantage of everyone in the family with trust formations too and me being naturally suspicious, im not ready to trust any trust until I can completely comprehend them. lots to learn. www.lawfulmoneytrust.com seems to be the best place for that. if all goes well, i will enroll there at some point.

This is where forgiveness plays its role. The best express trust is based on a preexisting condition of forgiveness, the emotional trust. That is creativity - communication. Only beings of like order can truly communicate.


that would require swearing an oath, would it not?

Yes. Back to that. Either you register your property or protect it.

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I think it is pretty clear how I have sworn my Life, Estate and Sacred Fortune away as the bond against the harm my curse (oath) might cause to others. But unlike Michael Joseph above herein this post, my bonding is expressly published. I put my trust in the oaths of "judicial officers" and now have found my estate (usage thereof) compromised by them only pretending to be bonded.

This is what I was getting at. The Fed Act was to furnish "elastic currency" and therefore offered the remedy at Section 16 and Title 12 USC 411. "Nothing wrong with that." Here is the offer to go into criminal syndicalism and the option not to. Anyone in position of sworn "officer" including the US citizen should be bonded like I am - by their word/bond. Instead you find them resorting to each other's faulty oath/bond for safety while they bash you for not registering (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOOgbgRV3Ug) (to vote)?


Kung Fu was not to bad a programming. and little house on the prairie too. I can tell you that most certainly religion does exist, as well as fear. In some ways Im one of the most fearless but in other ways most fearful. its the damnedest thing!




I am sharing the same recurring lesson, and we wrote about this recently, you say forgive yourself for engaging in it, I can see that could work, to me it seems just blocking out the fear or ignoring it is easier and works better for me (less to think about) and I can do that when my life is literally on the line/edge but I cant seem to do it very well otherwise. I will get better at it, it seems god has given me no other choice but too ;-)


This clearly explains my perspective - That is the fear talking (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooomyvwkUkc).


Try this one on for size... Thirty seconds of thirsty robins. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPaIOej-_Nw)

allodial
03-06-16, 05:30 PM
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Syndicalism and terrorism seem rather synonymous or at least syndicalism sounds like a method of conducting terrorism.

Michael Joseph
03-06-16, 05:41 PM
"Never signed a contract"? That is typically done through a Voter Registration; or as I have been pointing out, swearing in to government as an "officer". US citizen is an "officer"? This might be why some of the best testimony from the DA never gets on the Record? - Meaning the suitor will not record the conversation or even order up a transcript. One might assume the transcript will be scrubbed before it arrives...

Giving a pledge or applying for a benefit to vote is a long way from signing a contract. If anything those might be considered a quasi-contract in UNDERTAKE.

Go to and read Isaiah 36 carefully and you will see an army general prepared for war sent by his Government, by his King to bring war to another sovereign State. The army general mocks saying "if you will give pledges, I will grant 200 horses if there be a man amongst you who can even ride...." Geez now I am paraphrasing....so:

Isa 36:2 And the king of Assyria sent Rabshakeh from Lachish to Jerusalem unto king Hezekiah with a great army. And he stood by the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller's field.

Isa 36:3 Then came forth unto him Eliakim, Hilkiah's son, which was over the house, and Shebna the scribe, and Joah, Asaph's son, the recorder.

Isa 36:4 And Rabshakeh said unto them, Say ye now to Hezekiah, Thus saith the great king, the king of Assyria, What confidence is this wherein thou trustest?

Isa 36:5 I say, sayest thou, (but they are but vain words) I have counsel and strength for war: now on whom dost thou trust, that thou rebellest against me?

Isa 36:6 Lo, thou trustest in the staff of this broken reed, on Egypt; whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust in him.

Isa 36:7 But if thou say to me, We trust in the LORD our God: is it not he, whose high places and whose altars Hezekiah hath taken away, and said to Judah and to Jerusalem, Ye shall worship before this altar?

Isa 36:8 Now therefore give pledges, I pray thee, to my master the king of Assyria, and I will give thee two thousand horses, if thou be able on thy part to set riders upon them.

Comment: Since none of you can ride [do for yourself] as all of you have been taught to rely upon others to do for yo [representative government], will you then go into Egypt to buy a mercenary army to fight on your behalf? This is SOOOOO true today as it is in every generation. Where is the Warrior Priest? Today the same can be asked of all of the citizenry who with open face rebel against their governments. The question is valid. Show me the evidence whereof thou has declared thyself and established a new association.

Isa 36:9 How then wilt thou turn away the face of one captain of the least of my master's servants, and put thy trust on Egypt for chariots and for horsemen?

Comment: Of course I have written to the outer kingdom but one can just as easily turn his inwards to see the great apostasy in every Creature who trusts on Carnality [Egypt] to sustain this life. Carnality is a fleeting bird that will fly away in a moment.

Consider Respublica v. Sheers 1 US 41 (Dallas (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/1/41/case.html)): Read it carefully and you will realize that the signors were the sovereigns and it was only those signors who were acknowledged [not granted] as sovereigns BECAUSE these produced evidence of their declaration and association. Thusly the moment they formed their new thing [United States] it was deemed sovereign.


Read the following carefully and you might get a small peek [hopefully you will] at: And God said, And God saw, And God named....:

M'KEAN, Chief Justice, addressed Cornelius Sweers as follows:

"Your council have taken several exceptions to the form and substance of these indictments, upon a motion in arrest of judgment. The first exception was, 'that, at the time of the offense charged, the United States were not a body corporate known in law.' But the Court are of a different opinion. From the moment of their association, the United States necessarily became a body corporate; for, there was no superior from whom that character could otherwise be derived. In England, the king, lords, and commons, are certainly a body corporate; and yet there never was any charter or statute, by which they were expressly so created."


Comment: Notice at once counsel for SWEERS argues the same tired ole argument concerning when a State exists. For the Record and in accord with the Laws of Nations [also referenced in the "precious" Declaration of Independence, the State exists when two or more form a Moral Person in pledge to each other in support of their "New Government" apart from and not derived of the existing government of which these were afore under.

I just love it when folks quote Scripture at me in support of their rebellion but consider does not the Scripture show an Exodus out of Egypt? Once Israel left Egypt were they still subjects to Egypt? Once Jereboam and the ten tribes stopped supporting Rehoboam and the government at Jerusalem, did the ten tribes leave their land? What did they do? They changed their Religio-Political Status by DECLARING THEMSELVES before the powers of the world. Thusly they obtained POLITICAL RIGHTS and not mere civil rights whereof the latter may be revoked at anytime the sovereign deems necessary.

The mind that thinks to look to another for justification and sanctification is jailed and is in a miserable state of being. Nevertheless, once Jereboam and the ten tribes "left" the government of Jerusalem, they did not return. There was no play acting whereof benefits might still be obtained from the TWO KINGDOMS - no sir ree bob - For what has Light to do with Darkness! See how that works?

And yet in regard to the so called sovereign citizens [laughing out loud at the oxymoronic idiom] the light shineth in the darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not. Consider carefully the concepts of Trust and Sovereignty.

Last week I received a call from the Republican Liberty Caucus in Raleigh asking me to come and speak at their rally. I almost fell out of my chair laughing. The caller being deeply offended asked me what was so funny - I told him I do not interfere with Ceasar's creation and therefore I do not vote. For my opinion concerning a group of men and women who have been previously SELECTED not elected matters little. I could hear the surpressed anger eeking thru the "sorry to hear that" placating of the conversation.

The true Sovereigns will run their thing the way they deem best for it is their RIGHT not civil but POLITICAL RIGHT. Oh I know many will say but we can use certain chattles to obtain everything our little heart desires - well I feel sorry for those folks for those who attempt to "tap the stock" of the United States may eventually go to jail when the United States deems that the period for mercy is over.

I find it absolutely amazing how the collective consciousness of the so called Americans has been so completely "Compassed" such that most will fight desperately to cling to the status quo. Is this not the tale of Egypt in archetype form? When a Moses leads the consciousness of the men and women away from a bondage - servant status, will they then turn on their leader to say "but at least we had air conditioned houses and readily available goods at our disposal" - Freud's Nephew had it right - the masses can easily be controlled thru their Emotional Wants.

There is hope in every being - to exercise free will choice - I AM THAT, I AM. Then the Sent will know himself to be the Sender. Just ask Tom C who had to discover the inner kingdom under a Vanilla Sky. Who died he asked - Answer: He did. "This is a revolution of the mind" - Vanilla Sky

Shalom,
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-06-16, 06:15 PM
Returning to what I was previously discussing with the analogy of male/female reproduction as the exoteric system which conveys the esoteric knowledge of how to impregnate the State of Being. The three-fold cord is Thought-Emotion-Will. When the Laws are written upon your heart [understanding that you are a UNI-VERSE] then you will come to know why the Supreme Court is located at 19.5 degrees. For those who know the Surface Area of the Ark of the Covenant [the place where God dwells] is 19.5 cubits.

For they who have not the law but do the law are a law unto themselves. This concept is so difficult for many to grasp but it is nevertheless true. I find it absolutely amazing how the Scriptural truths are being brought to life these days but in a way that the Church should be embarrassed. The truths are being explained in secular terms by those who left the church system of control long ago. This condition is exactly how St. Paul said it would be.

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Make it a GREAT day,
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-06-16, 10:01 PM
Title 18 U.S.C. Section 1003 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1003)

18 U.S. Code § 1003 - Demands against the United States


Whoever knowingly and fraudulently demands or endeavors to obtain any share or sum in the public stocks of the United States, or to have any part thereof transferred, assigned, sold, or conveyed, or to have any annuity, dividend, pension, wages, gratuity, or other debt due from the United States, or any part thereof, received, or paid by virtue of any false, forged, or counterfeited power of attorney, authority, or instrument, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both; but if the sum or value so obtained or attempted to be obtained does not exceed $1,000, he shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 749; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §?330016(1)(H), (L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147; Pub. L. 104–294, title VI, §?606(a), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3511.)


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Trying to "tap the Stock of the United States" is not a good idea. Who are the STOCKHOLDERS? Answer: It is given in the Preamble. It is the Creators and their Posterity. All others benefit under the Trust as 3rd party beneficiaries to the Public Trust created under the Existing Contract. The 3rd party beneficiaries of the public trust are not the stockholders. "We the People of the United States" formed the Association by Pledge to EACH OTHER - Ref Dec. of Independence. In Respublica v. Sheers 1 US 41 (Dallas), we see the United States existed because men DECLARED IT TO EXIST. I say men as in more than one for no man is an island unto himself. Examine the date in Sheers, it is 1779. That was before the collection districts were created in 1790 and before the "saving to suitors clause" was enacted in 1789.

Notice the Court was the Supreme Court of Pennslyvania. And these judges were already recognizing the United States as Sovereign. This is in accord with international law and the Laws of Nations.

Thusly Adam, as in Adam and Eve could be understood as the first Church. Adam is Leadership and Eve is Congregation. For He called their name Adam.

Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Comment: When one goes and looks at the Hebrew one will find that all of those pronouns were added by the scribes. There is a State of Nativity - but when one becomes a Man one leaves his Mother and Father and finds a wife and these two become one. These two form a new State of Being in Contract.

george
03-06-16, 11:46 PM
The best express trust is based on a preexisting condition of forgiveness, the emotional trust.

forgiveness and emotional trust might also be based in a prior preexisting "condition", Will.



we see the United States existed because men DECLARED IT TO EXIST.

on another thread I had mentioned how Ken W has stressed the importance of a will, and says the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and all other documents and contracts are actually wills.

Im starting to see how this is so but now considering how gods will can become mans will.

its an interesting subject to me now (the will, wills) and seems to be The Subject.








I think it is pretty clear how I have sworn my Life, Estate and Sacred Fortune away as the bond against the harm my curse (oath) might cause to others. But unlike Michael Joseph above herein this post, my bonding is expressly published. I put my trust in the oaths of "judicial officers" and now have found my estate (usage thereof) compromised by them only pretending to be bonded.

so Matthew 5:34 is not about oaths to you or not a valid rule or law? I was thinking that you were one who followed the "swearing rule". just asking..



This is what I was getting at. The Fed Act was to furnish "elastic currency" and therefore offered the remedy at Section 16 and Title 12 USC 411. "Nothing wrong with that." Here is the offer to go into criminal syndicalism and the option not to. Anyone in position of sworn "officer" including the US citizen should be bonded like I am - by their word/bond. Instead you find them resorting to each other's faulty oath/bond for safety while they bash you for not registering (to vote)?

Ive never regis starred to vote but have acted for the name on the BC (a state agency) so I think this might be good reason to formally resign that agency.

Michael Joseph
03-07-16, 01:14 AM
on another thread I had mentioned how Ken W has stressed the importance of a will, and says the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and all other documents and contracts are actually wills.

Im starting to see how this is so but now considering how gods will can become mans will.

its an interesting subject to me now (the will, wills) and seems to be The Subject..

Yes, the Constitution is a TESTAMENTARY TRUST with a Will at its core. Clearly the Preamble, Declares a Trust and for that matter who will inherit. It is written in a manner that is not commonly taught using rules of english that are not well known and not taught. Furthermore, it is subject to definitions of terms that are not common usage and can only be known by those who created the Will.

In regard to a Will that is good and I recommend a Will to everyone, but I use a Will ONLY to gather in property which has not already been placed in trust. Thusly in regard to certain Estates they will escape Probate which, depending on which State one is occupying within, can be very cost effective. Especially if one occupies in New Jersey. If the Estate has been transferred into trust prior to death, then the owner does not change upon death.

The nature of the trust depends on the situation and there is no such thing as one size fits all situations. One would do well to study the THREE Crowns in the Franciscan Great Seal. Also that seal shows who works for who. Furthermore in those three crowns lie the Three Testamentary Trusts whereof the Estate was Granted from the claim whereof the Grantor [Pope] by and thru Unam Sanctum doled out the Estate as Grantor upon the certain Kingdoms to administrate the Claim for the benefit of Christendom.

So in fact it is a Will Trust. So whoever Ken W is he is right but also the Will is wrapped up in a Trust. Thusly the trust is Testamentary. It is just as Tom said in Vanilla Sky when he asked who died. The answer was himself. Thusly we find in this time - I come to do thy Will O' God that which is written of me in the volume of the book. For I sent Me. Thusly we find elohim is a plural noun [The supreme Elohim and all the children]. For the judgment was given LET US make man in our image. Thusly I come to do Thy Will. Maybe that will help you understand why the Scriptures are called Testaments. For the New Testament is a restatement of the Old Testament. It is just that most never see Christ in the O.T. - David, my Anointed One.

george, you mix terms [commit Adultery] but you don't know it so you do so in your ignorance. The term Man has a special meaning in Scripture and does not relate to men and women generally speaking. A Man does God's Will for He and the Father are One and not separate - He is Alive in Christ and is not spiritually dead as in the case of the "beast of the field" or the "creature." Can the Creature do God's Will? How can it? The Creature does not know God's Will. For the Creature does not know God's Law and thusly how can the Creature be subject to Administrating the Will if the bylaws are completely unknown?

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

This is a revolution of the Mind - Vanilla Sky.

Onward and upward.
MJ out.

David Merrill
03-07-16, 01:25 AM
so Matthew 5:34 is not about oaths to you or not a valid rule or law? I was thinking that you were one who followed the "swearing rule". just asking..

And indeed it might be hypocritical and at the least contradictory. I am moving now in any capacity. This allows the opportunity for the US to resume responsibility for a breached trust endeavor. My bonding goes to 1629 - perpetual inheritance. Michael Joseph speaks for himself when he says he has not signed anything. Much of the time we think of people in classes.

Creation and communication are synonyms. Only beings of like nature can truly communicate. I do not know exactly what it is like to be Michael Joseph and he does not know exactly what it is like to be me. I have heard that I am number 12 to be registered with the Library of Congress to have signed the Declaration of Independence (after the fact). I recall some interesting times using it too.

If you notice, I am using the Great Seal of Authority for the State of Colorado even back in 1996.

Then some times you hear of me owning everything. This comes with understanding the creative process. Fundamentally said, The idea of a universe formed at the beginning of the previous Age and that story is in verse 3 of Genesis 1. It impregnated the womb best described as e=mc2.

The story is severely abbreviated, nobody dies. The First Adam sacrificed himself for the Tree of Life (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImT3JndHVZWU5DbEE/view?usp=sharing).

george
03-07-16, 01:59 AM
lots to consider in that post MJ! thanks.

Im trying my best to not be ignorant of my ignorance.

Ken W. has been on Angela Starks call a few times. his most recent call I posted in this thread: http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?2024-thread-to-discuss-latest-quot-My-Private-Audio-quot-info-from-Angelas-Call&p=20939#post20939

his perspective on biblical events and stories seems quite unique to me but you may have run across similar ones to it before.

more down to earth so to speak, maybe even "carnally minded" from your perspective, I dunno.. I just work with what Ive got. mine seems a mix of both for me (carnal and spiritual) and so far I can not see how it could be any other way.

certainly worth the time to listen to that call IMO though, that one covered some pretty serious business and I have gained much broader outlook on these subjects.

especially the will but he was holding back just like so many others do and I dunno if it was his matter of factness that made some things clearer for me or what but things seem to be clicking more now.

its taking forever though. that Ken Cusions guy made a great analogy of how complicated this path is.

"imagine having to put together ten jigsaw puzzles that had all the pieces to them thrown into the same box"

right-on.

Michael Joseph
03-07-16, 02:03 AM
And indeed it might be hypocritical and at the least contradictory. I am moving now in any capacity. This allows the opportunity for the US to resume responsibility for a breached trust endeavor. My bonding goes to 1629 - perpetual inheritance. Michael Joseph speaks for himself when he says he has not signed anything. Much of the time we think of people in classes.

Creation and communication are synonyms. Only beings of like nature can truly communicate. I do not know exactly what it is like to be Michael Joseph and he does not know exactly what it is like to be me. I have heard that I am number 12 to be registered with the Library of Congress to have signed the Declaration of Independence (after the fact). I recall some interesting times using it too.

If you notice, I am using the Great Seal of Authority for the State of Colorado even back in 1996.

Then some times you hear of me owning everything. This comes with understanding the creative process. Fundamentally said, The idea of a universe formed at the beginning of the previous Age and that story is in verse 3 of Genesis 1. It impregnated the womb best described as e=mc2.

The story is severely abbreviated, nobody dies. The First Adam sacrificed himself for the Tree of Life (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImT3JndHVZWU5DbEE/view?usp=sharing).

The fact that you did the deed of signing after the fact and it was not rebutted by those who have the power to do so gives you what you wish by consent of silence. That is how it works. How many times have the IRS used this simple technique to put two notices upon the office of the trustee for not submitting an accounting of the use?

I love that you, David Merrill are strong enough to exercise your free will. Declare your good, See your Good [imagination], Name your Good. For you are a Creator. Put the Thought into the WOMB of imagination and SEE IT. Don't go get it - understand it and awaken to it. The answer lies in you.

I-Sacca..... for I laughed when I first heard.

Shalom,
MJ

Michael Joseph
03-07-16, 04:08 AM
lots to consider in that post MJ! thanks.

Im trying my best to not be ignorant of my ignorance.

Ken W. has been on Angela Starks call a few times. his most recent call I posted in this thread: http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?2024-thread-to-discuss-latest-quot-My-Private-Audio-quot-info-from-Angelas-Call&p=20939#post20939

his perspective on biblical events and stories seems quite unique to me but you may have run across similar ones to it before.

more down to earth so to speak, maybe even "carnally minded" from your perspective, I dunno.. I just work with what Ive got. mine seems a mix of both for me (carnal and spiritual) and so far I can not see how it could be any other way.

certainly worth the time to listen to that call IMO though, that one covered some pretty serious business and I have gained much broader outlook on these subjects.

especially the will but he was holding back just like so many others do and I dunno if it was his matter of factness that made some things clearer for me or what but things seem to be clicking more now.

its taking forever though. that Ken Cusions guy made a great analogy of how complicated this path is.

"imagine having to put together ten jigsaw puzzles that had all the pieces to them thrown into the same box"

right-on.

Well the first step is to realize that how ignorant am I. Then Wisdom can come. When I look at a writing and see Capitalized Nouns which don't meet the 8 rules of capitalization, then I have to ask why. Then I came across the ninth rule and realized what I am reading is written on a higher level than what the common folk are used to reading. Then I realized that I cannot know what those capitalized nouns mean unless someone who is in the know explains it to me. This is much the same with any Scripture.

Once this basic principal is realized in Self, then I can get out of my own way of ignorance. I don't call you ignorant, I point the finger at myself for I know this is a path. For if the keys were returned all at once then carnal minded men would not do the work to rid themselves from their base nature. Therefore I am very careful about how I talk concerning others who seemingly would hide the keys.

Perhaps, just perhaps, the bible has never been understood outside of the circle of those remnant elect that remain in the Earth. From the foregoing simple analogy, what do you say? This time is of experience. Consider yourself as a child and then you will be ready to learn. A very humbling principle to say the least and something that many have a hard time doing.

george
03-07-16, 10:42 PM
Then I realized that I cannot know what those capitalized nouns mean unless someone who is in the know explains it to me. This is much the same with any Scripture.

a closed source. when we look at this philosophy through out current softwares, we can see that closed source is for limiting and/or controlling growth and open source is for promoting it. this is why I struggle with any closed source philosophies.




For if the keys were returned all at once then carnal minded men would not do the work to rid themselves from their base nature.
I try to comprehend this with optimism, that it is for the greater good, and in some ways i can see that would work to promote growth. but it doesnt seem natural to me. nature is perfect, doesnt need mans (or what/whoever else) intervention, so i remain suspicious of this philosophy. (earth as a school house) then there is also the prison planet philosophy, which also seems plausible but I have a hard time accepting this because it would certainly lead me to become more depressed with our situation.



Perhaps, just perhaps, the bible has never been understood outside of the circle of those remnant elect that remain in the Earth. From the foregoing simple analogy, what do you say? This time is of experience. Consider yourself as a child and then you will be ready to learn. A very humbling principle to say the least and something that many have a hard time doing.

well, Ive said it (see above) but also, I AM the same child I ever was, just aged with poisons, brainwashing, etc. involved. seems to me a deliberate conspiracy to hold back mankind is afoot. it really does. a closed sourced paradigm that if not changed and soon will lead to ultimate destruction of mankind.

so I have a hard time accepting either of these closed source philosophies. my heart tells me this is not "The Way" and that Open Source is the only natural way for mankind to progress. my mind though, thinks I should not yet reach a final judgement and continue to consider all options.

Michael Joseph
03-08-16, 12:06 AM
so I have a hard time accepting either of these closed source philosophies. my heart tells me this is not "The Way" and that Open Source is the only natural way for mankind to progress. my mind though, thinks I should not yet reach a final judgement and continue to consider all options.

I hope you find what you seek.

David Merrill
03-08-16, 12:24 AM
Then I realized that I cannot know what those capitalized nouns mean unless someone who is in the know explains it to me. This is much the same with any Scripture.

a closed source. when we look at this philosophy through out current softwares, we can see that closed source is for limiting and/or controlling growth and open source is for promoting it. this is why I struggle with any closed source philosophies.

Effect and Cause/Cause and Effect... Thank you for clicking that light switch!

SO HELP ME GOD.

It means whatever WOLSKI says it means so long as I am boggled into thinking he is speaking as a federal judge!


3614

By deviating the form however, WOLSKI vacated his office and is not speaking in authority.

3615

The two citations show the proper form: Title 28 USC 453 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/453) and Title 5 USC 3331 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3331) - So help me God.

That is to say, the same upper and lower case lettering in the original law:

3616

Please be patient, this is difficult to articulate; the cause and effect stuff.

He threatens me for being disrespectful for instance. Who is he to threaten me? I paid good money for a federal judge and it turns out he is running a vacant office, unless of course he can scare me into thinking that it does not matter. Or maybe he is actually trying to convince me that changing the form to all upper case letters has no effect?

Either way, scared or persuaded he would then become a de facto judge. But he is no judge at all, this Mr. WOLSKI. Mostly because he failed to explain when Congress or some other assembly revised the form of oath. Especially Mr. WOLSKI failed to tell me why.

I almost wrote, ...to tell me WHY.

My point that is significant in my mind though is that ALL UPPER CASE means whatever it says it means, or whatever Mr. WOLSKI says it means, by the authority in MY NAME IS MY VOICE. If WOLSKI has authority in his name, which is his voice, then it might fly in my court too. Without being bonded he has no authority. Not between my ears.

David Merrill
03-08-16, 01:27 AM
Giving a pledge or applying for a benefit to vote is a long way from signing a contract...

Shalom,
MJ

This has been tickling the back of my mind.

Here is the oath, properly formed like a bond:


3617

But that was 2011. When SUTHERS was operating an evidence and seized money laundering operation - STATE OF COLORADO CAPITAL FINANCE CORPORATION in 2009 when I perfected billing and lien, he had a faulty oath to say the least:

3618

Slick! He is swearing before the EVER-LIVING GOD. But the other actor on the bill for $10M each was the chief judge:

3619

His oath is good, until a couple days after I published the lien.

3620

3621

I am running out of attachments so I will make my point the next post:

David Merrill
03-08-16, 01:39 AM
3622


As a public official SAMELSON, if not SUTHERS too were drawing paychecks and even "legitimate" expenses from the Comptroller of the Currency. Right there in the state constitution it also stipulates good behaviors, regulations which include to conform to law of course.

Therefore this is the security agreement of the contract I am saying is expressly signed with an oath.

This explains what happened too. When I pushed for settlement by publishing my Notice of Lien in various BRICS (alternate SDR basket currency) nations SUTHERS dissolved the corporation, rather than settle up with me.

3623


3624

3625

3626


So John William SUTHERS with his ALL UPPER CASE GIBBERISH for an oath, everliving God or NOT was able to skirt around between public and private at his convenience and my expense. I should be able to draw on the Comptroller of the state or federal treasuries then, by comptroller warrant, for my $20M, in my opinion.

I think that upon careful consideration of the criminal syndicalism depriving me of property rights the US Supreme Court should order the Comptroller Warrant be issued.

george
03-08-16, 05:56 AM
I hope you find what you seek.


thats gotta be a record! the shortest post ever by MJ.

please forgive me MJ, i seem to have a reading comprehension disability among other ones and what I read into that post was probably something way different than what you *ment*
by it. hard to tell from this perspective but upon another read I see it could be different and not about intentional concealment of certain knowledge.

this forum of communication lends itself to mis takes and thats why I much prefer viva voce but it is what it is. still better than nothing.

what Ive been seeking is the truth but its getting tiresome and the thought has occurred that it is not to be found but created so maybe I *will* stop seeking truth and start seeking the way to create it from scratch. Im glad youre hopeful though.

will look up those 8 rules! and maybe find 9

also been reading old threads again, some for like the 5th time at least but each time they make more sense. I should probably just stick to doing that until I am able to put something together that is practicable. you guys have spent a lot of time here writing some great stuff and I think everything needed is probably here already somewhere. hard to resist bouncing thoughts around in here with y'all though. not many others of such caliber that I have access to do so with.


thats it for now. thanks

David Merrill
03-08-16, 06:29 AM
Thank you George;


I really love a post that gets me thinking.

I backup and save the site. A few days ago it took 850Mb of disk to do so. I regret that I do not find the time to read New Posts, much less browse around. But I must value it to take time to preserve it backed up like that.

Michael Joseph
03-08-16, 12:38 PM
thats gotta be a record! the shortest post ever by MJ.

please forgive me MJ, i seem to have a reading comprehension disability among other ones and what I read into that post was probably something way different than what you *ment*
by it. hard to tell from this perspective but upon another read I see it could be different and not about intentional concealment of certain knowledge.

this forum of communication lends itself to mis takes and thats why I much prefer viva voce but it is what it is. still better than nothing.

what Ive been seeking is the truth but its getting tiresome and the thought has occurred that it is not to be found but created so maybe I *will* stop seeking truth and start seeking the way to create it from scratch. Im glad youre hopeful though.

will look up those 8 rules! and maybe find 9

also been reading old threads again, some for like the 5th time at least but each time they make more sense. I should probably just stick to doing that until I am able to put something together that is practicable. you guys have spent a lot of time here writing some great stuff and I think everything needed is probably here already somewhere. hard to resist bouncing thoughts around in here with y'all though. not many others of such caliber that I have access to do so with.


thats it for now. thanks

No I meant it just the way it reads. I originally wrote I hope you find your inner genius but then I thought maybe you might take that the wrong way.

You might benefit greatly from Jose Silva's work. Each of us has so much potential but we just need to learn to use more of our brains. Seems like a weird statement until one actually can go to Alpha on demand. It can be learned and as far as I am concerned, it should be.

ment = mens = mind

I type about 120 words a minute so it is easy fou me to put together 10k words in little time. I read a paper years ago that said "we all get what we desire" that may sound contrary to you but it is true. We are commanded to wash the middle sub conscious mind to make her clean and present her as a virgin.

She is as a vineyard. Will she produce good grapes for you or bad grapes? Only you can know. For only you can wash her and make her clean.

Shalom
MJ

David Merrill
03-08-16, 12:59 PM
I believe there is a well-established tenet that fraud vitiates all contract (bond).

So if an official knowingly rejoinders or engages in fraud, subsequent to being properly bonded does impeachment bring even the previous acts from the office into question? Especially when we are speaking about "judges"? Is this not cause for any prisoners on mittimus and even prisoners who have finished sentence to call for review?

If one wants to get all OCDave why not bring this to into light of the chief judge, typically witnessing the oaths of office of the "judges" in the entire district. If he is a scoundrel does that impeach the entire district? In this case attached, the alleged chief judge is the same Kirk Stewart SAMELSON.

CONSTRUCTIVE TRUST - as I understand it is formed in several ways, but often it is done by the beneficiary interloping into the trust operations by behaving or taking inappropriately (misdeed) responsibilities properly attended to by the trustee. The result of the CONSTRUCTIVE TRUST is typically a suit by the trustee against the beneficiary.

Now it might occur to you as it is, just now with me how insidious the brain damage of the STRAWMAN REDEMPTION has been by destroying the path to a proper understanding for Americans, and others, of trust law. Even and maybe especially the attorneys do not understand the trust law. But now Mayor (508(c)(1)(A) church/corporation sole - CITY OF COLORADO SPRINGS) John William SUTHERS and his (formerly District Attorney (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1EaV_bU7VImZ0ZBSDNDUS1pSHc/view?usp=sharing)) chief prosecutor David A. GILBERT have shown that they pioneer the criminal syndicalism together. I showed you the 2005 era oath of SUTHERS above, in all upper case; along with GILBERT who I have been presuming pioneered it - but now we have a conspiracy. - Title 28 USC 286.

3637

3636

Edited: This is a major component of GILBERT's confession. The district court office and oath is good for six years according to the state constitution. Why in three, would he change it knowing he was vacating his office, if he did not intend to vacate the office?


What I was told is simply, The trustee sues the beneficiary all the time!

Is that not what is going on all over the place, in the courthouses? No wonder I can presume the perspective these courthouses are clearinghouses for settlement between the realm of lawful money US Treasury and the central bank, the Fed! The beneficiary of government is always taking it upon him or herself to self-govern and thus intelopes by running a STOP sign, again ALL UPPER CASE LETTERS:

3633


3634

David Merrill
03-08-16, 07:18 PM
Hi MJ;

The genius I admire in you is that you can admit how ignorant you are. I pay tribute to my ego as of yet.




Well the first step is to realize that how ignorant am I. Then Wisdom can come.

P.S. In hope that you have not taken that the wrong way...

Michael Joseph
03-09-16, 03:04 PM
Hi MJ;

The genius I admire in you is that you can admit how ignorant you are. I pay tribute to my ego as of yet.

P.S. In hope that you have not taken that the wrong way...

You don't upset me. In fact I am encouraged by the response - I have been using Jose Silva's work these days and it is awesome. My mom told me that I should "be careful" with such stuff, and I know she means well, but on the other hand she goes to a doctor and submits lock stock and barrel to every word the doctor utters.

It is amazing that we are born into these bodies and not one of us has any clue how it works. Sort of like the mirror image of State. These are mere fractals of each other. Nevertheless, we are informed that we are to "get knowledge" and one with knowledge opens his mouth to one without and the one without deems the other a pagan or other such non-sense. This of course is a fear response with chops at the foundational beliefs of the one thinking himself secure.

Nevertheless, let us "stretch the tent cords of the mind and thereby enlarge the tent." For just as Paul was so are we to be : "a tent maker". Where do you tabernacle with God? Hopefully within the "tent" of your Mind. For God is Spirit. And Christ is the Power and the Wisdom of God. Thusly Christ is formed in the creature. Just as Scripture declares.

Robert Stone's work is also amazing and here is another gem to put on the bookshelf : The Secret of the sub-conscious power within you (http://www.dr-joseph-murphy.com/books.php) Dr. Murphy was way ahead of his time.

While my intellect and reason brought me to the point of discover and questioning [start of path of awakening] - I continue to ask:

Son 1:6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

Son 1:7 Tell me, O thou whom my soul loveth, where thou feedest, where thou makest thy flock to rest at noon: for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions?

Son 1:8 If thou know not, O thou fairest among women, go thy way forth by the footsteps of the flock, and feed thy kids beside the shepherds' tents.


My mother made me the keeper of the vineyards [plural] but I never stopped to keep my own vineyard! So I now yearn O tell me where is the place of rest in God. So that I may be as Abel and keep the flocks [thoughts and desires of God] at noon [the time of Strength].

And the wonderful response is returned from the Divine upon me in verse 8. But now I am writing a commentary on the Song of Songs and what is developing is amazing.

Jer 12:10 Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

Jer 12:11 They have made it desolate, and being desolate it mourneth unto me; the whole land is made desolate, because no man layeth it to heart.


As lady and I look out tonight from Desolation Row. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL1HUsJJCzU)

Shalom Brother,
MJ

David Merrill
03-09-16, 04:40 PM
I like to hear about opening (cleansing) the womb (matrix).

Christopher Thomas
10-25-16, 03:32 AM
When a trust indenture is executed...what is the opinion of the trustee stamping redeemed?

Michael Joseph
10-25-16, 04:24 AM
When a trust indenture is executed...what is the opinion of the trustee stamping redeemed?

Is the request or claim or demand of the beneficiary in accord with the bylaws of the trust? Can relief be granted without breach of trust? Of course the beneficiary must show a certificate of beneficial interest in order to get the trustee to perform. The trustee would be in breach of trust if benefits were distributed to a party not holding an office under the trust.

Christopher Thomas
10-25-16, 04:44 AM
4630

Well you see, One has accepted certain effects (stripped away from rightful owner)in exchange for it's benefits according to the structure of indenture...i'm wondering as competent trustee the duty of properly redeeming...is there anytime a signature should not be redeemed first?

Christopher Thomas
10-25-16, 04:52 AM
4630

Well you see, One has accepted certain effects (stripped away from rightful owner)in exchange for it's benefits according to the structure of indenture...i'm wondering as competent trustee the duty of properly redeeming...is there anytime a signature should not be redeemed first?

WAIT, no thought about it...it would be double minded of one to do that. with it being used to transfer the evil away why would I redeem a rotton apple from a basket of rotton apples? naw..no thank you...sometimes I think i overstudy and confuse with small questions...

Chex
10-25-16, 11:41 AM
I believe there is a well-established tenet that fraud vitiates all contract (bond). CONSTRUCTIVE TRUST - as I understand it is formed in several ways, but often it is done by the beneficiary interloping into the trust operations by behaving or taking inappropriately (misdeed) responsibilities properly attended to by the trustee. The result of the CONSTRUCTIVE TRUST is typically a suit by the trustee against the beneficiary. What I was told is simply, The trustee sues the beneficiary all the time (https://www.google.com/search?q=The+trustee+sues+the+beneficiary+all+the+ time&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe=)!

Though about that too. Does one take a Suo moto or a pledge (http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm)?

Those who are acting as 'public officials' (https://www.google.com/search?q=De+Facto+Government+Scam%2C+Form+%2305.04 3&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe=#q=oath+of+office+definition) for the U.S. Inc (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3002) have donated their private property to a public use, they have joined a socialist collective and have became a partakes of stolen money (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH9OIIJcQM8) of “people (http://constitutionus.com/)” most of whom do not wish to participate who would quit if offered an informed choice to do so.

Proverbs 1:10-19

Christopher Thomas
10-25-16, 01:23 PM
Though about that too. Does one take a Suo moto or a pledge (http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm)?

Those who are acting as 'public officials' (https://www.google.com/search?q=De+Facto+Government+Scam%2C+Form+%2305.04 3&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe=#q=oath+of+office+definition) for the U.S. Inc (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3002) have donated their private property to a public use, they have joined a socialist collective and have became a partakes of stolen money (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH9OIIJcQM8) of “people (http://constitutionus.com/)” most of whom do not wish to participate who would quit if offered an informed choice to do so.

Proverbs 1:10-19

Chex, You're another well writer... Very enlightening.

My intent from the picture provided and per the trust indenture as trustee who was appointed to sign for the registered bonded claimed property then put it in TRUST in exchange for equity of trust back....

So I either reverse all interest in accordance with usufruct or bond individual equitable property and issue new to the individual beneficiary via usufruct.

I'm working hard to be competent....

Christopher Thomas
10-26-16, 05:38 PM
Chex, good morning..I wanted to go over this post again...regarding the first paragraph...the pledge was provided which I don't accept under Suo moto...that is the only way I can interpret your question...if it was meant as one...

lorne
10-26-16, 09:15 PM
4633

by Charles Bragg

marcel
07-18-18, 02:42 AM
I'm writing a trust declaration for business use. I will be cotrustee. As a suitor I generally use True Name, however trustees are often tasked with banking duties so I think in this instance the trustee might be better named as Legal Name. What do you think?

lorne
07-19-18, 02:35 AM
Sounds like you are concerned with the bank asking the Trustee to provide his/her SSN to establish the TRUST's bank account, and a suitor doesn't have one? Who is the creator? Writing/speaking is synonymous with creation. What can be conceived can be created. I wouldn't sweat it. Consider the shareholders or trustee(s) can always vote to appoint or remove a trustee, should the bylaws allow.


Any Trustee hereunder may be removed and a successor Trustee appointed in such Trustee’s stead upon the written consent of the holders of not less than two-thirds (2/3) in interest of the Shares of Beneficial Interest then issued and outstanding, and acknowledged by one or more of them.

If for any reason a vacancy occurs in the office of Trustee, such vacancy shall be filled in accordance with the provisions of this subparagraph, and, notwithstanding anything to the contrary, until such successor Trustee is appointed, no action by the Trustees requiring the Vote of the Trustees or the unanimous consent of the Trustees shall be taken by the remaining Trustees. Any vacancy among the Trustees occurring during a term of office shall be filled by the remaining Trustees for the unexpired portion of such term. If a successor Trustee (whether immediate or remote) appointed to fill a vacancy in the office of Trustee should fail or cease to serve as Trustee, the successor Trustee appointed to fill such vacancy shall be such person as shall be designated in a writing signed and acknowledged by not less than one half (1/2) in interest of the Shares of Beneficial Interest held (whether individually or in trust).
Effect of Appointment of Successor and Additional Trustees. Upon the appointment of successor or additional Trustees, the title of the Trust estate shall thereupon and without the necessity of any conveyance be vested in said successor or additional Trustees jointly with the remaining Trustees, if any. Any successor or additional Trustees shall have all the same rights, powers, authority and privileges as the original Trustees hereunder. No Trustee shall be required to furnish bond, security or surety in any form.

marcel
07-21-18, 11:18 AM
I am the creator. I can name trustees (other than me) who could later name Legal Name as cotrustee. Thanks.

marcel
07-26-18, 01:25 AM
Finished the trust document and got it notarized and recorded. Looking forward to doing business in trust. Or perhaps I should say "as a trust entity." Thanks to everyone including, but not limited to, Gavilan. Turns out I didn't use the loaned asterisk so, I'll be returning it. Did make use of a footnote. Next is to issue the shares and convey more property to the Trust.

David Merrill
07-29-18, 10:02 AM
Finished the trust document and got it notarized and recorded. Looking forward to doing business in trust. Or perhaps I should say "as a trust entity." Thanks to everyone including, but not limited to, Gavilan. Turns out I didn't use the loaned asterisk so, I'll be returning it. Did make use of a footnote. Next is to issue the shares and convey more property to the Trust.


Nice! I am glad you are doing the work. Walking the talk. Redemption is the remedy. Redeemed are a fast-growing class action (https://netorg573793-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/g/personal/david_merrill_bishopcastle_us/Ea1ILXg2qNFHikaW0458gwcBIQvUpZ42hJ-bnv7RD3v-nA?e=p0PPfn).