"ID scans for beer" - A Note On Buying Adult Beverages

[loveunderlaw]

Every now and then I like to kick back and enjoy a cold beer. Acme markets recently advertised a great price for a brand of beer I enjoy. I went into the store and quickly located a 12 pack of the advertised special. When I went to pay the clerk told me she would have to see my ID. I showed her my PA driver's license and she went to grab it from my hand. I asked, "What are you doing?"

She replied, "I have to scan the license."

I said, "No you don't."

She said,"Well then, I can't sell you beer."

I walked out without the beer.

I remember whenever I would ask my late grandmother how old she was she would always say, "I'm 21 past!"

I too am 21 past...well 21 past. I am all for making sure adult beverages are not sold to underage people, but the experience at Acme was a little extreme. Why would they want to scan my license? In my humble opinion it amounts to a theft of my personal information. That strip is not put on the back of the license for Acme to scan, store my personal data and sell it to further clog my mailbox with an ever increasing mountain of junk mail.

I contacted my State representative's office and made an inquiry as to the legitimacy of Acme scanning my state issued license. The response I got was an email that had two web links embedded in it about why they scan licenses. Both of them were a load of crap. Or even worse, they raise the specter of Acme being online with the state computer system for motor vehicle information.

One of the articles stated they scan the license to make sure it is valid. How would they know the license was valid unless they were online to the state Bureau of Motor Vehicles? It went on to further state scanning the license spared the employee the burden of doingthe math to determine if the individual attempting to make the purchase is of legal age. I guess being totally stupid qualifies one to be a cashier. Its a shame somone would put that into writing but I read it with my own eyes. Pretty sad.

Buying beer is legal. Do I need to have someone make a record of it every time I decide I want to buy it? If that's the case it will soon be more difficult to buy beer than it is to buy a gun.

As for me no one is going to scan my license except the State Trooper I may have the misfortune to be stopped by. After walking out of the Acme I went to the local beer distributor where they are always glad to see you and they always use common sense on asking people for their ID. I noticed as I waited to check out, the guy in front of me appeared under 30. They asked for his ID and they did not scan it. Thy thanked him for showing it and randg up the sale. Amazing! The cashier could actually make an intelligent determination the individual in question was of legal age to purchase beer.

What a sad commentary it is where people will give up their personal information without questioning how it will be used, or more appropriately stated, abused. As for me, I will forego any future sales prices Acme may have on Adult beverages and continue to deal with my local beer distributor who really apreciates my business.

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IMO he makes some very valid points. When they scan your "ID" for booze, are they sending the information back to the state ? And also why do they even scan people's ID's that are clearly over 21 ? Something else may be at work here, back in the 90's it was "if you're over 40 no one's supposed to ask to see your "ID" to buy booze.

[ag maniac]

[shikamaru]

Sounds like its time to brew one's own beer.

[walter]

Could be more to it.
Like the sale could get transferred to the police data banks and when the plate gets scanned while driving on the roads the police know how much beer you have. And your consumption habits. Targeting you.

[allodial]

Its sufficient to see the license rather than scan it. The ID validation books they sell nowadays are rather detailed and its easy to determine if an ID is valid or not --even if its a good fake, that isn't the responsibility of the store to make counterfeit proof ID. If someone clearly looks to be over 18, it should not be an issue.

From first hand observation, more and more police organizations are encouraging even bars to scan IDs using scanners instead of relying on manual reconition. (Of course, some people fail to realize even that part of the ID can be copied and faked!) Although the bar scanners don't necessarily collect information, the ones at the grocery store you are likely tied into a very vast information repository creating a deep profile about you.

One option is to use a passport or a passport card without RFID--likely a grocery store will be unable to scan the (optical) MRZ although it is possible. They may however have an RFID/NFC (near field communication) system set up. One could use an RFID/NFC shield alternatively. It should be of sufficiency to check the birth date without a scan.

One might consider going to the State AG to curb that kind of intrusion because a vendor (licensed by the State) should not have authority to bar a transaction because someone prefers to opt out of being profiled. They are also doing the same thing with art supplies. I went to acquire some acrylic sealer to preserve family and business documents (i.e. makes them waterproof) the clerk said he needed to see ID. I laughed. I took a trip a couple miles away and acquired the sealer without ID. The clerk's excuse was "people use to get high..we have to treat everyone the same" to which I replied "so if that guy kills someone you get to do time with him?" He had a perplexed look on his face as I walked off.

BTW, those self check out terminals at grocery stores appear to be the two way kind of camera/screen technology. The technology of embedding cameras in LED/LCD screens has been around for quite some time.

[loveunderlaw]

Sounds like its time to brew one's own beer.

Many people are making their own brew now, too much intrusion into the lives
of private citizens now. From the people that call themselves "government",
Michael Bloomberg types numbers are growing sadly enough for our once
proud nation

[loveunderlaw]

Its sufficient to see the license rather than scan it. The ID validation books they sell nowadays are rather detailed and its easy to determine if an ID is valid or not --even if its a good fake, that isn't the responsibility of the store to make counterfeit proof ID. If someone clearly looks to be over 18, it should not be an issue.

From first hand observation, more and more police organizations are encouraging even bars to scan IDs using scanners instead of relying on manual reconition. (Of course, some people fail to realize even that part of the ID can be copied and faked!) Although the bar scanners don't necessarily collect information, the ones at the grocery store you are likely tied into a very vast information repository creating a deep profile about you.

One option is to use a passport or a passport card without RFID--likely a grocery store will be unable to scan the (optical) MRZ although it is possible. They may however have an RFID/NFC (near field communication) system set up. One could use an RFID/NFC shield alternatively. It should be of sufficiency to check the birth date without a scan.

One might consider going to the State AG to curb that kind of intrusion because a vendor (licensed by the State) should not have authority to bar a transaction because someone prefers to opt out of being profiled. They are also doing the same thing with art supplies. I went to acquire some acrylic sealer to preserve family and business documents (i.e. makes them waterproof) the clerk said he needed to see ID. I laughed. I took a trip a couple miles away and acquired the sealer without ID. The clerk's excuse was "people use to get high..we have to treat everyone the same" to which I replied "so if that guy kills someone you get to do time with him?" He had a perplexed look on his face as I walked off.

BTW, those self check out terminals at grocery stores appear to be the two way kind of camera/screen technology. The technology of embedding cameras in LED/LCD screens has been around for quite some time.

That RFID chip isn't as benign as they tell us it is either, it most certainly does transmit ACTIVELY! It's only passive in pet recovery chip apps, but the bank cards & STATE ID's are active devices in most cases. Of course they could look at someone's ID to determine if it's a fake or not, but they won't do that. Instead it will just be a further intrusion into the private lives of ordinary Americans for no good reason.

[EZrhythm]

BevMo stores have been scanning ID's for anyone who "looks under 50" for quite some time. Why not just show the ID to the clerk long enough for them to verify, whether they do or not, place the money down on the counter and walk out with your purchase. Even "secret shopping" services do a version of that all the time.

The RFID chip within passports can be smashed or microwaved in order render the chip useless. No RFID security wallet necessary.

[allodial]

Likely someone can come up with something to prevent the back of an ID from being scanned but still expose the face of the ID.

[EZrhythm]

Yes, slide a strong magnet across the magnetic strip.

[ag maniac]

That may have worked "back in the day" EZ, but many of the new ID's have either/or a bar code or that info hash area.....and probably for good reason....for I suppose then the info is stored not on the card but on a secure server elsewhere.

Now one might think that w/ an ultra fine point sharpie & a few well placed "brush strokes" the bar/hash might be made to redirect the scanner elsewhere, but I suspect in that scenario, the scan may return an "Invalid" response.

The beast/matrix wants a nexus w/ as many people as possible, and I'm not convinced a piece of plastic w/ TRUE NAME or any other reservations is the right way to go. They'll take any name & spin it into an alias anyway.

Our battle is not w/ our fellow man, but w/ principalities as described in Ephesians 6:12......so there's no fence-sitting involved here....either you're a bond servant for Christ....or you're not. That bond servant doesn't need any "tag" for ID, for his words & deeds speak loudly.

--> I Am that I Am....my name is private

[allodial]

Actually the barcode / PDF417 contains the information on the front of the license. Some states encrypt it. It may even contain the SSN. More info at: www.aamva.org. Now after a bit of wear and tear a license could get scraped up to the extent it couldn't be scanned.

[loveunderlaw]

That may have worked "back in the day" EZ, but many of the new ID's have either/or a bar code or that info hash area.....and probably for good reason....for I suppose then the info is stored not on the card but on a secure server elsewhere.

Now one might think that w/ an ultra fine point sharpie & a few well placed "brush strokes" the bar/hash might be made to redirect the scanner elsewhere, but I suspect in that scenario, the scan may return an "Invalid" response.

The beast/matrix wants a nexus w/ as many people as possible, and I'm not convinced a piece of plastic w/ TRUE NAME or any other reservations is the right way to go. They'll take any name & spin it into an alias anyway.

Our battle is not w/ our fellow man, but w/ principalities as described in Ephesians 6:12......so there's no fence-sitting involved here....either you're a bond servant for Christ....or you're not. That bond servant doesn't need any "tag" for ID, for his words & deeds speak loudly.

--> I Am that I Am....my name is private

Don't forget the Microdot Technology that's only gotten pregressively better since the 40's when it was first developed
as spytech! Now it's gotten so good that it can hold almost a GB of data, can you imagine what else is out there people
don't even have a clue about ?!

[walter]

Its not about the age its about them knowing who you are.
In Canada I was even told this buy security at a outdoor concert beer garden.
Everyone must have 2 ID's to get in even if you are a 100 years old.

They claim the "Act" was created to ID gang members in nightclubs to stop gang violence.
I have used non-government issued ID to enter nightclubs that had no date of birth on it and it was accepted.
A few times I got in by just saying I don't have any and I stand staring in their eyes.

In California I had store mangers refuse Canadian government issued ID for beer.
Claiming only California issued ID is accepted. A joke. These people are close to retarded in IQ's.

18 was the legal age to drink where I was born.
What gets me with the 21 year old age limit on drinking in the US is that you can join the army and kill people years before you are allowed to have a beer. That is very disturbing.

[allodial]

Its not about the age its about them knowing who you are.

Its about knowing where you are and what you do and who you are with and perhaps also knowing if you are bonded or not (DL = bond). Additionally, it might be a check to see if you are a "legal entity" for insurance purposes. Either way: to feed Skynet. How do you know the ID scanner isn't made to transmit to the local cellular network or to satellites what it scanned? The cops when they radio in information about people they pull over have been known to do so IN THE CLEAR SO ANYONE WITH A CHEAP SCANNER CAN OBTAIN SUFFICIENT INFO FOR IDENTITY THEFT (Name, DOB, address, license number, SSN). That is why the whole online ID protection is joke of jokes. Who do you think the main perpetrators of identity theft are? Its not the general public that has access to all of that information its mainly the police and banks.

IEveryone must have 2 ID's to get in even if you are a 100 years old. ... They claim the "Act" was created to ID gang members in nightclubs to stop gang violence.

The point of the "wave of migrants" and allowing "illegals" over the border is to give rise to justification of needing ID so they know who is who. The mingling of ex-convicts and criminals with the general non-criminal populations (ala parole, progressive softness policies, etc.) serves the same function. The presumption with illegals is that might be fugitives from other countries (so you see the same thing causes a cross border problem). Of course if the death penalty was still in effect for stealing, embezzlement, rape, murder, etc. there wouldn't be much question--as in, if the criminal was dead we could presume those cross borders or the guy and gal walking down the street at 1 a.m. not to be be fugitives or ex-convicts who perpetrated murder or felony theft [they would be dead not walking down the street] so the it would matter a lot less.

So this fancy ID system becomes a "solution" for making distinctions between who is who. Sure a correction system is nice in theory, but what is correcting, healing or remedial about exposing even non-violent men to rape, disease, violence and cruelty in jails or prisons? Michael Vick was harangued for involvement in dog fighting. But most all of the 50 States encourage the same thing with humans and even go further with rape, forced sodomy and spread of disease. What the hell is that? Is that government?

IMHO the general presumption should be that if someone isn't in prison they ought not be in prison. But instead, they presume that anyone could potentially be someone that escaped Prison XYZ three days ago or that anyone could be an illegal if they look this way or that way or he or she might be on parole and the cop is looking to make an arrest or do something to prove his usefulness to his bosses. Sadly the system operates on a negative presumption which is only possible because of progressive politics that puts mingles the criminals and terrorists with innocent, good folk (all skin colors).

Lynching someone for the color of their skin is absolutely disdainful and unlawful in any case. I'm referring to capital punishment subsequent to lawful trials.

The "Problem-Reaction-Solution" paradigm misses the first step "zero": Create the problem.

CREATE THE PROBLEM
0-A. Abolish capital punishment and allow for "super liberal" policies. Establish a "corrections system" that disgustingly promotes rape and violence in jails which is utter failure and dereliction of duty on the part of peace officers (if you cannot house prisoners safely then the non-violent offenders at the least should be dismissed, no or you should simply not have a prison if you are not competent to run it).

0-B. Allow those who who suffered from cruel and unusual punishment (felons and non-felons) who may suffer much mental and emotional defects or traumas because of their jail experiences (and who strongly believe themselves to have a justification for hating the society that treated them to such an experience) in general to mingle among innocent folks so you cant tell who is who. Sometimes "crimes" are committed out of necessity because of rote oppression. Often, however for petty or unnecessary reasons. Among some "gangster types" (Black, White, Jewish or Italian--whatever label they may wear) simply saying "your wife is ugly" is sufficient justification for a hit. But yet the same will hire a lawyer who will plea against the "dark ages" of the death penalty for the same people who doled out the death penalty without much thought about it except "you insulted them so you must die". The same would think blasphemy laws in the Bible to be "antiquated".

The hypocrisy and schizoid double talk is: stinky.

The same "gangster" will want mercy should he be arrested with blood and evidence dripping from his hands.

Note that the women who would have been put to death for adultery or for other things are having a field day. The same women mind you wouldn't hesitate to have a guy beat to death or shot should he hurt her feelings so save the 'bleeding heart' deception for someone else. I witnessed things like this first hand. I have witness a "good White woman" (sarcasm) have her sons beat a White kid nearly to death only because of an insult --and then they lied said "A big Black guy knocked him out and he went that way." {From observation I'd tend to say that crime statistics are skewed against Blacks mostly because of lies. Now if first innocent Black guy they pick up should resist the arrest after his long day of work and not having any clue what nonsense the cops were on, it would be in the news with the cop saying "he was so big and strong and scared me so I shot him"? But what about how scared the guy was who they picked on for no reason? That is wrong and its the stuff of bad, bad Karma that is working its way back around to its point of causality.} Almost every man she knows thinks she is pure and innocent and good country girl. She is well-versed in duplicity. She would promote the liberal ideology of freedom for women but she easily doled out the death penalty as if she were judge-God and jury all rolled into one. If you think she is a rarity ->

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[KEK = LOL]

Heav'n has no Rage, like Love to Hatred turn'd, Nor Hell a Fury, like a Woman scorn'd. --From The Mourning Bride (Act III, Scene 2) by William Congreve.

Sure these days according to "popular consensus" its "old fashioned" and "antiquated" and "dark ages" to burn or hang a woman for adultery or to lynch someone for stealing. But vengeance hits/killings initiated by emotionally hurt females (even if she Karmically deserves it) aren't? Wuuut!?!? Hanging someone for stealing a car is "old fashioned" but the same "gangster" or "cooldude" or "cowboy" (White or Black) might blow your fsck-ing head off for putting a dent in his car.

PROBLEM
1. The criminally minded realize they are "invisible" and can go about doing things "as long as they can get away with it". Feral women no longer restrained by a higher power feminize their sons which promote a society of duplicity and deception. The crime rate and the oppression unbearable. The residents (especially feral women) realizing that if they are clever enough can get away with murder because the system is seen by them to be soft and weak. Crime rate goes through the roof.

REACTION
2. The "citizenry" gets irate over the crime rate (which they caused by embracing self-destructive progressive policies) and demands something be done.

SOLUTION
3. The legislatures and citizenry that caused #1 require everyone to have ID as a solution to the problem that they caused in the first place by failing their duties at #0-A & #0-B.



Women's lib and destruction of the family took full swing in the 70s. A stronger detachment from Christian or Biblical moral basis in the United States pop culture began (in the late 60s and) took stronger hold in the mid to late 80s and early 90s. Major prisons construction started in the mid 90s. Introduction of the Beatles and subliminal-message laced music was said to be PSYOPS waged against Americans.


Crimes occurring in jails or prison are sadly probably not even part of general crime reports.