Outside the Box

[Michael Joseph]

The internal private revenue agent does not know how to balance his books if one of the corporations that the US has proprietory interest in issues a 1099 upon LEGAL M. NAME w/SSN. Sure you made a demand for lawful money, but how does the IRS agent know that? If you got paid cash absent a demand for lawful money, then you probably owe a tax refund as you did not fulfill the private law - "they shall be redeemed ON DEMAND...". No demand, no redemption.

Therefore, all of the foregoing is up to you and not your boss. Just because your boss is operating the corporation lawfully and legally and issues a 1099 upon LEGAL M. NAME, does not mean your demand for lawful money has failed. It just means your boss is obeying the bylaws of the trust that created the Corporation. It also means you have some more studying to do. Because it is clear to this reader/writer that you do not comprehend.

Why would not you just go ahead and let the IRS know of your demands in the year? How hard is it to draft a memorandum of truth regarding your affairs. You did get paid in CASH yes? no wait, he pays you in checks so what's the problem again?

[doug-again]

thanks for your patience, guys

You did get paid in CASH yes? no wait, he pays you in checks so what's the problem again?

No, he's willing to pay in cash, but he endorses private credit, so i see everything he pays me as private credit. At 1099 time, i wouldn't know what to do, because he's gonna report all those payments made, as upon nothing more than a verbal demand for lawful money. With a check, i can make my demand, photocopy it, record the serial #s, and so on. i make him cut me checks, for now, and i do so absent the claim that this is the right, or best, way of doing things.

"the problem again," is that the year's total payments will be in excess of $600, which makes the whole thing a taxable event. You triggered my OP. i understood you to be saying that cash payments are absent tax liability. If that is not what you meant, then i need you to clarify. Here...

And if one just gets paid in cash, well there is no trust there

Please bear in mind, if bossman doesn't get LEGAL M. NAME w/ SSN, i do not get the work. i'm learning, and practicing, how not to identify with that name, or number. i find that i need to be using them, for now.

i do need more study - your discernment is correct.

Straight up, i do not know how to demand lawful money, or how to communicate that demand, or how to record that demand, from a little fed res banker - such as the guy i'm working for.

Lemme try to draw an answer from you a different way; say he paid me $1000 cash. How would i record that transaction, without making an appointment with my notary to be present at the time? Why, then i'd have to have my notary present for every payment! Um, reality check? Also, i do not want to argue his being a federal reserve bank, before an irs agent. i "get" the mental model, i think, that in handling private fed res script, one is acting as a banker, really, but i am not now competent enough to discuss that assertion with anyone not already on the same page.

You mentioned affidavits of truth... do those carry any weight in admiralty? Maybe i've read one too many transcripts from quatloo's cherry tree, but i can't recall one of those "styled" docs helping anyone.

To motla68,
Thanks for replying. um, i don't have any time sheets, nor does he.

To David,
i'm paid by check, for now.
Dude's willing to pay in cash.
Lemme explain what i meant by, "He does not pay in redeemed lawful money."
There is no record anywhere of the serial #'s on the bills he'd give me.

Once upon a time, you mentioned in passing, that all services you render are paid for in R'dLM. i imagined that you somehow made sure there was a record somewhere, of those notes having been redeemed, prior to your acceptance of them as payment. i have a feeling that's not the case. In my mind, there is, or should be somewhere, a list of dead FRN serial #s.

As pertains to the IRS, i am silent. i have no idea what to do about the whole 1099 thing. i haven't filed a report or return in 16 years. i'm 36.

To everyone else,
If i was a moderator, i'd cut this conversation out of this thread, as off topic, and start a new thread called, "How do i record a lawful money demand, in a cash transaction?" OR "The nature of a lawful money demand, in a cash transaction, in excess of $600" i have hijacked this thread, somehow. i beg your forbearance.

[shikamaru]

I grabbed this from the Welcome Thread because I would like to have a lively conversation for all the members about it.

I am presuming COLB/BC is for Certificate of Lading/Billing and Birth Certificate.

This does initiate a great discussion.

Certificates were used in England to confirm pedigree as well as issues of successors and heirs.
This one book I was reading says the birth certificate assures rights for the child. I interpreted this to mean it assures privileges for the child.

[motla68]

Corporations can be persons unless the law specifically says natural persons or within the same Article define person as natural persons when used in accordance with rules of statutory construction. Can be pedigree of persons, not necessarily natural persons.

[David Merrill]

This does initiate a great discussion.

Certificates were used in England to confirm pedigree as well as issues of successors and heirs.
This one book I was reading says the birth certificate assures rights for the child. I interpreted this to mean it assures privileges for the child.

Certificate of Live Birth; Certificate of Lading. What's the difference?

[Michael Joseph]

How do i record a lawful money demand, in a cash transaction?"

You record your demand for lawful money on the County Recorder...i know a man who handled something like this: but you are strong enough not to just copy another man's work, yes? You aren't one of those who just follows the leader are you?

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[David Merrill]

To everyone else,

If i was a moderator, i'd cut this conversation out of this thread, as off topic, and start a new thread called, "How do i record a lawful money demand, in a cash transaction?" OR "The nature of a lawful money demand, in a cash transaction, in excess of $600" i have hijacked this thread, somehow. i beg your forbearance.

No need but if you want to start a new thread fine.

If I hand you cash, then you have lawful money - the redemption or not was up to me in getting that cash. Now if I make you sign any kind of receipt or even an agreement (work contract beforehand) that is when you would make your Demand above your signature.

That is pretty simple but I think a couple pages in a new thread might be fun. The people writing here are great!

[shikamaru]

Certificate of Live Birth; Certificate of Lading. What's the difference?

I didn't know a child was cargo nor a mother a ship ...

Interestingly enough though, on wikipedia in the see also section the term bill of lading is included.

From the wikipedia article concerning a bill of lading, a bill of lading is not a negotiable instrument.

[doug-again]

You record your demand for lawful money on the County Recorder...
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That's great, i get it; publicly record the demand, and the need to keep track of all the serial #s is obviated.

Elegant Micheal, thanks.
When i get around to it, i'll do my own form.
It won't look as nice, but it'll have to cover the same bases as your attachment.
At a glance, i see no way of improving upon that man's work.

David, a new thread's a great idea.
When i start it, i'll return to this post and edit in a link.
And i agree that the writers here are great.