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    Quote Originally Posted by EZrhythm View Post
    It is a certificate representing a security interest in an individual person. "Individual" and "person" being a legal entity, fiction, etc.

    I can see how a template of trust law might indicate this is true. However you indicate there might be some kind of monetary value or even any value whatsoever to this certificate?

    I went through all this with a Canadian Freeman named Robert MANARD. There is a clause in the constitution there about "Security of the Person" he misconstrued miserably. You might be able to view this video by searching around for it - Security of the Person. The 5:00 Minute Mark had Rob telling the viewer (1:00 Hour Mark too) that the Canadian Birth Certificate was a stock certificate worth quite a bit of money - untrue.

    He seems to have given up his quest to assert this myth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    I can see how a template of trust law might indicate this is true. However you indicate there might be some kind of monetary value or even any value whatsoever to this certificate?

    I went through all this with a Canadian Freeman named Robert MANARD. There is a clause in the constitution there about "Security of the Person" he misconstrued miserably. You might be able to view this video by searching around for it - Security of the Person. The 5:00 Minute Mark had Rob telling the viewer (1:00 Hour Mark too) that the Canadian Birth Certificate was a stock certificate worth quite a bit of money - untrue.

    He seems to have given up his quest to assert this myth.
    Any beneficial interest certificate is only evidence of interest. The value of the property which one holds a share in can only be known when said property has a buyer. That is the beauty of trust. The BIC holder only holds an interest in personality. And that is generally reflected in avails proceeds etc. therefore the BIC itself is valueless. Therefore not taxable. The rich use this simple strategy. It is quite effective when one has a skilled trustee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    I can see how a template of trust law might indicate this is true. However you indicate there might be some kind of monetary value or even any value whatsoever to this certificate?

    I went through all this with a Canadian Freeman named Robert MANARD. There is a clause in the constitution there about "Security of the Person" he misconstrued miserably. You might be able to view this video by searching around for it - Security of the Person. The 5:00 Minute Mark had Rob telling the viewer (1:00 Hour Mark too) that the Canadian Birth Certificate was a stock certificate worth quite a bit of money - untrue.

    He seems to have given up his quest to assert this myth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    Any beneficial interest certificate is only evidence of interest. The value of the property which one holds a share in can only be known when said property has a buyer. That is the beauty of trust. The BIC holder only holds an interest in personality. And that is generally reflected in avails proceeds etc. therefore the BIC itself is valueless. Therefore not taxable. The rich use this simple strategy. It is quite effective when one has a skilled trustee.


    Nobody ever seems to be finding any real connection to the Birth Certificate of even Certificate of Live Birth to any redeemable value. This leaves me to believe it is nothing but a health record for tracking population for statistical and maybe even epidemiological purposes. There has been a comment about registration of a new CROWN ORGANIZATION, which might appertain to City of London and Vatican in conjunction - but without redeemable value I am still unconvinced that the Birth Certificate is a financial instrument.

    So I focus on these two posts at the beginning of the thread. I am left to wonder how to describe:


    If a properly issued trust value certificate is filled out and endorsed by the beneficiaries on the backside, then the original is returned to the Trustee in trust, it seems to me that the Trustee is full owner in trust. The Trust is still extant for the health, welfare and beneficial interest of the beneficiaries but with fully endorsed value returned to the Trustee the corpus of the trust, the real property is "owned" by the Trustee.

    Now this applies to accepting debt for currency, then endorsing the debt, and returning it to a state or national bank. But this still seems to be a transaction completely independent of the Birth Certificate as an instrument. The Birth Certificate almost always plays a role in identification because you need one to get the Government-Issued ID card that identifies you to the Bank. So I am always watching for that evidence linking the BC to finances.

    Holographic overlay tells me that guilt - Paul's Roman citizenship overlaid by his Benjamite upbringing in sacrificial law - converts God's love into currency.


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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Nobody ever seems to be finding any real connection to the Birth Certificate of even Certificate of Live Birth to any redeemable value. ONLY ONES I KNOW OF SO FAR WERE FOR COURT DISCHARGE This leaves me to believe it is nothing but a health record for tracking population for statistical and maybe even epidemiological purposes. THE ACT OF REGISTRATION OF THE BC WAS ALWAYS NOTED THAT HEALTH RECORDS AND CENSUS PURPOSES WERE ALWAYS SECOND AND NEVER THE MAIN REASON. There has been a comment about registration of a new CROWN ORGANIZATION, which might appertain to City of London and Vatican in conjunction - but without redeemable value I am still unconvinced that the Birth Certificate is a financial instrument.

    So I focus on these two posts at the beginning of the thread. I am left to wonder how to describe:


    If a properly issued trust value certificate is filled out and endorsed by the beneficiaries on the backside, then the original is returned to the Trustee in trust, it seems to me that the Trustee is full owner in trust. The Trust is still extant for the health, welfare and beneficial interest of the beneficiaries but with fully endorsed value returned to the Trustee the corpus of the trust, the real property is "owned" by the Trustee.

    Now this applies to accepting debt for currency, then endorsing the debt, and returning it to a state or national bank. But this still seems to be a transaction completely independent of the Birth Certificate as an instrument. The Birth Certificate almost always plays a role in identification because you need one to get the Government-Issued ID card that identifies you to the Bank. So I am always watching for that evidence linking the BC to finances. ONLY MONEYS I HAVE FOUND CONNECTED TO THE BC IS THE $2000 FINE FOR USING A CANCELLED ONE.

    Holographic overlay tells me that guilt - Paul's Roman citizenship overlaid by his Benjamite upbringing in sacrificial law - converts God's love into currency.


    Jesus better NOT come back, until MY church is in the black!
    § 2-105. Definitions: Transferability; "Goods"; "Future" Goods; "Lot"; "Commercial Unit".

    (1) "Goods" means all things (including specially manufactured goods) which are movable at the time of identification to the contract for sale other than the money in which the price is to be paid, investment securities (Article 8) and things in action. "Goods" also includes the unborn young of animals and growing crops and other identified things attached to realty as described in the section on goods to be severed from realty (Section 2-107).

    (2) Goods must be both existing and identified before any interest in them can pass. Goods which are not both existing and identified are "future" goods. A purported present sale of future goods or of any interest therein operates as a contract to sell.


    So "existing" would be the "event record" which is the SOLB.
    And "identified" would be the registration of a NAME, the BC.
    Then the "interest" can pass.
    With out the BC, "identification" is impossible to complete the transfer.
    Interest can't pass.

    All BC's have a PERSON as a subject. Subject of the Crown because the BC is crown copy written.

    Here is proof that a BC can be used for discharge.
    Vital Statistic Act
    36(1)(e) an officer of any provincial government or the government of Canada who requires the certificate for use in the discharge of official duties;


    The bones of it is they want us to use the BC and not the SOLB.
    The BC I hold is blue, and the SOLB is gold/yellow with purple trim.
    Blue = Admiralty = BC = de-facto ,,, gold/yellow = Royalty = SOLB = de jure

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