Birth Certificate - What it is

[David Merrill]

I can see how a template of trust law might indicate this is true. However you indicate there might be some kind of monetary value or even any value whatsoever to this certificate?

I went through all this with a Canadian Freeman named Robert MANARD. There is a clause in the constitution there about "Security of the Person" he misconstrued miserably. You might be able to view this video by searching around for it - Security of the Person. The 5:00 Minute Mark had Rob telling the viewer (1:00 Hour Mark too) that the Canadian Birth Certificate was a stock certificate worth quite a bit of money - untrue.

He seems to have given up his quest to assert this myth.

Any beneficial interest certificate is only evidence of interest. The value of the property which one holds a share in can only be known when said property has a buyer. That is the beauty of trust. The BIC holder only holds an interest in personality. And that is generally reflected in avails proceeds etc. therefore the BIC itself is valueless. Therefore not taxable. The rich use this simple strategy. It is quite effective when one has a skilled trustee.

Nobody ever seems to be finding any real connection to the Birth Certificate of even Certificate of Live Birth to any redeemable value. This leaves me to believe it is nothing but a health record for tracking population for statistical and maybe even epidemiological purposes. There has been a comment about registration of a new CROWN ORGANIZATION, which might appertain to City of London and Vatican in conjunction - but without redeemable value I am still unconvinced that the Birth Certificate is a financial instrument.

So I focus on these two posts at the beginning of the thread. I am left to wonder how to describe:

If a properly issued trust value certificate is filled out and endorsed by the beneficiaries on the backside, then the original is returned to the Trustee in trust, it seems to me that the Trustee is full owner in trust. The Trust is still extant for the health, welfare and beneficial interest of the beneficiaries but with fully endorsed value returned to the Trustee the corpus of the trust, the real property is "owned" by the Trustee.

Now this applies to accepting debt for currency, then endorsing the debt, and returning it to a state or national bank. But this still seems to be a transaction completely independent of the Birth Certificate as an instrument. The Birth Certificate almost always plays a role in identification because you need one to get the Government-Issued ID card that identifies you to the Bank. So I am always watching for that evidence linking the BC to finances.

Holographic overlay tells me that guilt - Paul's Roman citizenship overlaid by his Benjamite upbringing in sacrificial law - converts God's love into currency.


Jesus better NOT come back, until MY church is in the black!

[walter]

Nobody ever seems to be finding any real connection to the Birth Certificate of even Certificate of Live Birth to any redeemable value. ONLY ONES I KNOW OF SO FAR WERE FOR COURT DISCHARGE This leaves me to believe it is nothing but a health record for tracking population for statistical and maybe even epidemiological purposes. THE ACT OF REGISTRATION OF THE BC WAS ALWAYS NOTED THAT HEALTH RECORDS AND CENSUS PURPOSES WERE ALWAYS SECOND AND NEVER THE MAIN REASON. There has been a comment about registration of a new CROWN ORGANIZATION, which might appertain to City of London and Vatican in conjunction - but without redeemable value I am still unconvinced that the Birth Certificate is a financial instrument.

So I focus on these two posts at the beginning of the thread. I am left to wonder how to describe:

If a properly issued trust value certificate is filled out and endorsed by the beneficiaries on the backside, then the original is returned to the Trustee in trust, it seems to me that the Trustee is full owner in trust. The Trust is still extant for the health, welfare and beneficial interest of the beneficiaries but with fully endorsed value returned to the Trustee the corpus of the trust, the real property is "owned" by the Trustee.

Now this applies to accepting debt for currency, then endorsing the debt, and returning it to a state or national bank. But this still seems to be a transaction completely independent of the Birth Certificate as an instrument. The Birth Certificate almost always plays a role in identification because you need one to get the Government-Issued ID card that identifies you to the Bank. So I am always watching for that evidence linking the BC to finances. ONLY MONEYS I HAVE FOUND CONNECTED TO THE BC IS THE $2000 FINE FOR USING A CANCELLED ONE.

Holographic overlay tells me that guilt - Paul's Roman citizenship overlaid by his Benjamite upbringing in sacrificial law - converts God's love into currency.


Jesus better NOT come back, until MY church is in the black!

§ 2-105. Definitions: Transferability; "Goods"; "Future" Goods; "Lot"; "Commercial Unit".

(1) "Goods" means all things (including specially manufactured goods) which are movable at the time of identification to the contract for sale other than the money in which the price is to be paid, investment securities (Article 8) and things in action. "Goods" also includes the unborn young of animals and growing crops and other identified things attached to realty as described in the section on goods to be severed from realty (Section 2-107).

(2) Goods must be both existing and identified before any interest in them can pass. Goods which are not both existing and identified are "future" goods. A purported present sale of future goods or of any interest therein operates as a contract to sell.

So "existing" would be the "event record" which is the SOLB.
And "identified" would be the registration of a NAME, the BC.
Then the "interest" can pass.
With out the BC, "identification" is impossible to complete the transfer.
Interest can't pass.

All BC's have a PERSON as a subject. Subject of the Crown because the BC is crown copy written.

Here is proof that a BC can be used for discharge.
Vital Statistic Act
36(1)(e) an officer of any provincial government or the government of Canada who requires the certificate for use in the discharge of official duties;


The bones of it is they want us to use the BC and not the SOLB.
The BC I hold is blue, and the SOLB is gold/yellow with purple trim.
Blue = Admiralty = BC = de-facto ,,, gold/yellow = Royalty = SOLB = de jure

[David Merrill]

A fluent knowledge about trust law is quite enjoyable and interesting. I even believe there is a powerful metaphysics called Law driving engines unseen.

When one starts making claims for value though, upon another estate there might be major problems.



P.S. I think that may be at the heart of my uneasiness when I see people prying at government like a stock valued corporation. Negative averment too, which is in all the Accept for Value mythology.

[walter]

Straight from the horses mouth.
CEO of Vital stats.

"The birth certificate is a foundation identity document that establishes your identity at the point of birth; including your name, your birthdate and your parental information. This information is used by other agencies to create secondary identification, such as a passport, driver's license or a service card."

The legal NAME on the BC is the only one you have a RIGHT to use.

[Michael Joseph]

Straight from the horses mouth.
CEO of Vital stats.

"The birth certificate is a foundation identity document that establishes your identity at the point of birth; including your name, your birthdate and your parental information. This information is used by other agencies to create secondary identification, such as a passport, driver's license or a service card."

The legal NAME on the BC is the only one you have a RIGHT to use.

Framing the statement: that name is the name one is entitled to make a use of within a certain law boundary. If one were to declare himself then one could establish a new name. Therefore in a sense I wrote to the brain trust years ago that I model it as an access easement in Function. Heridaments can be held in a name. Becaus Equity acts in personam.

Shalom
MJ

[Moxie]

Accept for Value mythology.

Sooo...

if Accepted For Value is a myth, then why has it been effective?

[salsero]

AFV is an INTERNAL way to help the fictional system balance its fictional books - through the fictional system's authorized representatives - whatever that means.

Here again, please take note: I do not say AFV is not a valid remedy. What I am commenting on - what business does a man have to do with their fiction? This is why, at least I am in the midst of trying, I have done the release of claim and interest per 12 USC 95a, along with release of reversionary interest. THEIR JOB is to settle all claims with regard to their property called a name. I have done my part, NOW they or the State has a contractual obligation to do its part THROUGH its paid for service public servants. When I AS A MAN INTERMEDDLE IN THEIR INETERANL PRIVATE AFFAIRS BY "PAYING FOR SOMETHING", The state has legal authority to presume I am the trustee or executor of that trust or estate.

HOWEVER, those lovely paid for public service public trustees need to settle their public matter [as in a name or property of the state], I do not care, if it is a AFV, or they use toilet paper with US promises to pay US by authorized representative - Hillary - THEY must settle the claims otherwise those public servants can be held personally liable. YAY!!

Sooo...

if Accepted For Value is a myth, then why has it been effective?

[David Merrill]

Sooo...

if Accepted For Value is a myth, then why has it been effective?

I have never believed that it is effective. In other words, for every example or demonstration you might show me, I would probably be convinced that it is something much simpler; usually fair debt collections policy or law.

One might be behooved to understand how inherently Trebilcock v. Wilson allows for anybody who refuses to accept legal tender for a payment, especially for services has waived the debt. Also there are flaws with MERS and other consideration-less transactions that will cause a bank to back away and cut losses, making A4V appear to have been successful.

Then there is the pure mythology, people who believe hearsay success stories. It is not worth arguing about really. If you can show us a coherent demonstration that will not take much time to be convincing, great!

My advice is to study Rules of Evidence and apply them to any demonstration other than your own direct experience.

[David Merrill]

Straight from the horses mouth.
CEO of Vital stats.

"The birth certificate is a foundation identity document that establishes your identity at the point of birth; including your name, your birthdate and your parental information. This information is used by other agencies to create secondary identification, such as a passport, driver's license or a service card."

The legal NAME on the BC is the only one you have a RIGHT to use.

Thank you Walter!

We have the right to use the True Name too, but it is not very functional as a legal name unless people (and especially computer fields) presume one's middle name is the last name. I have identified myself correctly for twenty years now and never been charged with criminal impersonation for not using the "my" legal name. I have watched officials ponder that when I suggest they charge me, and it is rather amusing to watch the conundrum work through their conditioning for a while.

[Michael Joseph]

Thank you Walter!

We have the right to use the True Name too, but it is not very functional as a legal name unless people (and especially computer fields) presume one's middle name is the last name. I have identified myself correctly for twenty years now and never been charged with criminal impersonation for not using the "my" legal name. I have watched officials ponder that when I suggest they charge me, and it is rather amusing to watch the conundrum work through their conditioning for a while.

Once in a while I feel we come full circle. CHARGE requires a surety.