"You Don’t Have to Show Any ID to Fly"

[Tim]

So you have all these alternate forms with you, it seems a bit Amish (it's ok to use air powered tools but not electric), as in it's ok to have reams of other paperwork but one simple document which you know isn't you, is Bad? How far do we have to go to to prove we know who we are? We spend our lives (time) finding alternate paper to get the same thing. In the end they can deny you everything just by pointing their guns at you. period. kick and scream about your rights, to no avail.
Each situation we face teaches us something different about How little we really know after all.

I suspect it might be helpful to present a claim of right to travel to the sheriff and the state AG (maybe even the chief judge of the nearest USDC) and carry a copy with you with along with cc and proof of service (+case jacket?). So then it might become a matter of TSA vs your sheriff and your state AG. You could also fill out the TSA Certificate of Identity and fax it to the TSA along with your claim of right and carry all of the the above with you.

[allodial]

So you have all these alternate forms with you, it seems a bit Amish (it's ok to use air powered tools but not electric), as in it's ok to have reams of other paperwork but one simple document which you know isn't you, is Bad? How far do we have to go to to prove we know who we are? We spend our lives (time) finding alternate paper to get the same thing. In the end they can deny you everything just by pointing their guns at you. period. kick and scream about your rights, to no avail.
Each situation we face teaches us something different about How little we really know after all.

Sounds like you are misconstruing things rather wildly. TSA has a form titled Certificate of Identity. How is using their form is an alternative form? Alternative to what? "Papering" and nonsense? Well IMHO its (i.e. their form) a good alternative to what you are presuming. Its their (the U.S. DHS, a U.S. executive department headed by a member of the POTUS' cabinet and you have a problem with it because I mention that they made it available?) process.

The "novelty" possibility I mentioned was whereby one gives notice and 'register' with TSA ahead of time rather than wasting time at the airport. I only mentioned the possibility of sending it AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE ONE GOES TO THE AIRPORT and the possibility of asserting the claim of right to travel and distinguishing oneself from, say, someone breaking terms of probation.

What do you think the DMV does when you get a driver's license? They publish the information to their electronic subscribers some of which are called "police departments". Pretty cool, huh? Its electric so I'm not sure if the Amish would dig it. Of course, persons who have driver's licenses and state ID can simply show that but not everyone has such things.

The TSA form is a total of ONE whole page. Of course you could make up a 1-page certificate very similar, incorporate your claim of right to travel or make transit in the same document and serve it on the Director of DHS and your State AG for the purpose of helping them do their job easier. What harm is in that? As a separate document, a claim of right might take up no more than a one or two pages if double spaced or the like with headings, signature area, notarial jurat, etc. Two whole sheets of paper is a ream of paper how?

You seem to be presuming somewhere to be a suggestion about idiotically "papering" like a maniac and writing documents where one goes on and on on about nonsense like how you're gonna take someone's dog's bowl if they violate your rights. Claiming and asserting the right to travel by any manner, method of transportation without hindrance can probably be done one to three sentences. No need to threaten anyone--you mistook this for something else, Tim. The notary block and the header would probably take up most of the page if you do a separate claim document. The few sentences to make the claim without any threats.

How far do we have to go to to prove we know who we are? We spend our lives (time) finding alternate paper to get the same thing. In the end they can deny you everything just by pointing their guns at you. period. kick and scream about your rights, to no avail. Each situation we face teaches us something different about How little we really know after all.

Again, who mentioned alternative paper? Its the TSA's and Deparment of Transportation's form. For those don't have a state ID or a driver's license they provided a form to help them out. A claim of right filed with State AG or a U.S. District Court is alternative paper how where by one would are simply peacefully asserting rights so one avoids lose them vestigially? Doing things ahead of time might help avoid wasting your time or theirs in a stressful airport situation instead of trying to have a philosophy of law class in a busy smelly airport.

As for them "just by pointing their guns at you" I've seen them do it to people who had ID and without any lawful cause. So what's your point? I've seen people abducted (by persons disguised as police--yes disguised because abduction isn't a police power--it is not an arrest) all because some gay dude was in love with a a straight man and was blind with envy and hurt feelings he had someone have him abducted under the guise of an arrest and booked for SOMEONE ELSE "to teach him a lesson" for not wanting his manjam in his arse --yes the cops abducted the straight man based on the lies and coaxing of their gay buddy even though abductee had had a passport card is pocket! The cops hid the passport! A judge got in and shut it down. The booking papers showed belt, shoes, etc etc but the passport card wasn't even mentioned. He said that they pulled a gun on him while he was locked in a secure area why? BECAUSE HE WAS WRITING THAT HE WAS ABDUCTED ON THE FORM! The next day he went back to the very same lockup (police station) to get his passport and demanded the commander come speak to him and the commander did. he got his wallet, they played dumb, the "arresting officer" ran scared and... what they did was put the passport card in the deep recesses of the wallet behind structural folds not in normal places. So your point is what? Be afraid? Prefer bread and circuses?