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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    You're obviously inexperienced. If someone without the right can obtain the right by asking someone else for a license. The one with the right can demand the shiny card as EVIDENCE OF THE RIGHT. Sometimes appeasing violent, temperamental leftists with guns with the shiny plastic things they are familiar with can be a good way to go. (Too obvious for some folks.)
    Now ...
    THAT ....
    just as funny as all get out
    I have litigated some 40 "traffic" Cases, and no doubt have watched the LOSERS go down in flames ....
    that might be You, unless You have some factual, empirical evidence to support Your position in Your STATE
    waaaay to amusing ...
    I will not have to wait for Your "Cases" long, will I ..??

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    seems mr. "allodial: was born beholden to a Body Politic for his priveliges

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    good god I am irritable tonight ..

    "allodial" ..
    You talk without one whit of any proof ,..

    You POST some, hey, any kinda PROOF

    I will humbly apologize
    Last edited by Michael Joseph; 07-27-16 at 03:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Binbokusai Yagyuu View Post
    seems mr. "allodial: was born beholden to a Body Politic for his priveliges.
    Funniest thing I've heard today, though very errant. priveliges? private ledges?

    Quote Originally Posted by Binbokusai Yagyuu View Post
    Now ...
    THAT ....
    just as funny as all get out
    I have litigated some 40 "traffic" Cases...
    Definitely then, you're a noob to me. Jurisprudential Puberty is still a dream for you. "40 'traffic' Cases"?!?!? WHERE IS YER PROOF?!!?!?!?!?

    ...proof...
    Proof of what? To 'consider' something requires or demands proof, how and why? Considering options for those seeking remedy needs proof exactly how? Also, sometimes you either follow the logic or you don't. BTW, I don't have a U.S. state-issued driver's license FYI.

    Wise One: "One could go the nearer store if the other is too far away."
    Yaguu Noob: *cranky growl* "Proove it!!"
    Wise One: I see you haven't been taking your medication, YAGYUU.
    P.S. Feel free to keep your irritability to yourself.
    Last edited by allodial; 07-27-16 at 07:18 AM.
    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag maniac View Post
    Hilarious. Thanks for that.
    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Thank you Ag Maniac!

    I am not sure I get it but you showed me that when somebody touches a nerve, it is MY problem.


    P.S. This brings up a doctrine, at least to me; Appearance cures all defects in jurisdiction.

    I have seen this with passports as well as driver licenses. I cut teeth with the Right to Travel with it decades ago too. It is when one enters and gets response to Affidavit or Directives to the DoR or State Department in the process of getting the card in hand.

    In particular the State Department says,

    We see that you were born in Connecticut. Therefore you are eligible for this passport because you are a US citizen.
    Even if you got it the way you wanted,

    The State Department acknowledges and recognizes that being a Citizen of Connecticut, a state Citizen in no way obligates you as a US citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment.

    As pointed out, this is a matter of establishing that you have a prior right - the right to egress and ingress - to Travel. The trick is to show it on the Card.

    After processing the holographic "big picture" I have found that is best expressed in the signature, by True Name. First and Middle shows a distinction in how you identify yourself. Whenever signing something I would rather not sign, I use my stamp only. I have never had any trouble. And when signing a digital pad I always write "Lawful Money." large and clear.

    These I believe are all rights recognized by Congress and as intelligence nexus for hundreds of suitors, if you say to the cop, I am only showing you this card for competency purposes. Well, that usually results in a verbal warning and "Have a nice day."
    Last edited by David Merrill; 07-27-16 at 11:59 PM.

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    .....just tryin' to diffuse a pissin' match.....my oddball way of doing it on a forum


    I'm late to the game & playin' catch-up, so I sponge this stuff up more than contribute....paddin' the post count if you will ;-]

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Thank you Ag Maniac!

    I am not sure I get it but you showed me that when somebody touches a nerve, it is MY problem.


    P.S. This brings up a doctrine, at least to me; Appearance cures all defects in jurisdiction.

    I have seen this with passports as well as driver licenses. I cut teeth with the Right to Travel with it decades ago too. It is when one enters and gets response to Affidavit or Directives to the DoR or State Department in the process of getting the card in hand.

    In particular the State Department says,



    Even if you got it the way you wanted,




    As pointed out, this is a matter of establishing that you have a prior right - the right to egress and ingress - to Travel. The trick is to show it on the Card.

    After processing the holographic "big picture" I have found that is best expressed in the signature, by True Name. First and Middle shows a distinction in how you identify yourself. Whenever signing something I would rather not sign, I use my stamp only. I have never had any trouble. And when signing a digital pad I always write "Lawful Money." large and clear.

    These I believe are all rights recognized by Congress and as intelligence nexus for hundreds of suitors, if you say to the cop, I am only showing you this card for competency purposes. Well, that usually results in a verbal warning and "Have a nice day."
    Key is IMHO not expecting the Department of State to do what they are supposed to (without someone looking over their shoulder at least). So I would serve the facts on the AG provided the facts are concise and non-threatening (general suggestion to the readers rather than to you). Consider that I can send the State AG or U.S. AG my automotive financial responsibility particulars and say: "Hey here this info. which you may utilize in the event someone ever took my car for a joy ride and did a hit and run. I like the idea of someone who suffers loss in such a circumstance being able to recover damages and be made whole within the limits of the policy or w/e." No need to make an appearance, the controversy is settled before it ever happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by CommonLawWarrior View Post
    In Law, only Like can come against Like. A commercial entity, identified in all caps, cannot sue an upper and lower case Natural Man, because they are not like entities at law. Only if the Natural Man CONSENTS to this form of law (absent a crime involving a victim who swears an affidavit, or the existence of a physical body of the crime), the Administrative Court has no personam Jurisdiction. This is why the Refused for Cause R4C Process works! (But damage someone, or injure them, and you are now in deep trouble, because they will be able to claim Jurisdiction over you in some fashion. I don't know what or how, I am still learning. :-))
    Corporate status is presumed.
    Last edited by allodial; 07-28-16 at 06:06 AM.
    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    ........I have found that is best expressed in the signature, by True Name. First and Middle shows a distinction in how you identify yourself. Whenever signing something I would rather not sign, I use my stamp only. I have never had any trouble. And when signing a digital pad I always write "Lawful Money." large and clear......

    Might it be more advantageous to autograph "by: True Name".....that little 2 letter word indicating an "at arm's length" relationship?

    However, whether autographing True Name, Lawful Money, any "mark" (such as an "x"), or using the 12usc411 stamp......all of those indicate a "brand" which you choose to identify yourself with.....not the matrix-owned FirstMiddleLast brand.

    If I'm going to be viewed as some piece of meat swinging on a hook ("Corporate status is presumed"), I sure as heck will brand myself to rebut that presumption !
    Last edited by ag maniac; 07-28-16 at 09:32 AM.

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