Has anyone here successfully made their Real Property Private, and EXEMPT from Taxes?

[David Merrill]

I am new here. This site has many thought provoking, and some (frankly) bizarre other postings (which I just stay away from, not saying you may not be right. Just not going there with you!).

My questions is simple enough: I cannot imagine the Founding Fathers would have set up a Property Taxation system, that forces every owner of paid for land and buildings, to pay FOREVER both from themselves, and their descendants, property taxes, with the punishment for not doing so being that the Government is granted the power to seize their property if they don't pay the taxes! This means, in essence, that the Government ultimately owns the final interest (or however one says it) in every piece of property in the US!

With this as my premise, Who here personally has succeeded in structuring their real property as Private Property, and has successfully protected it from Government Seizure for alleged unpaid property taxes?

What you describe is simply redefining the law boundaries through a trust structure. If you are in that private credit survey, then you have those obligations. A trust structure might have the same property tax obligations, simply because you cannot create a state within a state. However trust structures supply a lot more privacy.

What I said when registering a car was that the price is a private matter. I still pay for bridges and filling potholes, which I just have to live with. But there is no property tax.

Likely there is no reason why this cannot be done when purchasing a real property. What you probably have to do is spend some time educating an estate attorney about redemption, and then encouraging him to be bold enough to paw through the contract with you, and structure it accordingly. This of course means that you cannot wait until you are desperate for the property to become "yours".

There is R4C and applied "novation" too.

This was discussed years ago around here. I can probably find it. Backup for StSC is well over a Gig these days.

What it entailed is Refusing for Cause the tax bill but examining the CAFR for the County and City too. Then you select the items you desire, like "911" and Fire Protection. You add up your per capita usage for you and your family and pay up for those specific services. Upon presentation to the tax assessor you would of course wait for the R4C from the county/city attorney. If none came, and they accepted your payment in lawful money for the services you want over the next year, you simply continue with that contract agreement upon prescriptive easement.

[CommonLawWarrior]

What you describe is simply redefining the law boundaries through a trust structure. If you are in that private credit survey, then you have those obligations. A trust structure might have the same property tax obligations, simply because you cannot create a state within a state. However trust structures supply a lot more privacy.

What I said when registering a car was that the price is a private matter. I still pay for bridges and filling potholes, which I just have to live with. But there is no property tax.

Likely there is no reason why this cannot be done when purchasing a real property. What you probably have to do is spend some time educating an estate attorney about redemption, and then encouraging him to be bold enough to paw through the contract with you, and structure it accordingly. This of course means that you cannot wait until you are desperate for the property to become "yours".

There is R4C and applied "novation" too.

This was discussed years ago around here. I can probably find it. Backup for StSC is well over a Gig these days.

What it entailed is Refusing for Cause the tax bill but examining the CAFR for the County and City too. Then you select the items you desire, like "911" and Fire Protection. You add up your per capita usage for you and your family and pay up for those specific services. Upon presentation to the tax assessor you would of course wait for the R4C from the county/city attorney. If none came, and they accepted your payment in lawful money for the services you want over the next year, you simply continue with that contract agreement upon prescriptive easement.

Well, that all sounds plausible. However, what I asked was has anyone DONE it? A wise man once said, Take only the advice of those who have done what you propose to do. Leave all other's advice aside.

So, whom here has done some permutation of what I asked? Do we know even one person? Or are we all armchair theoreticians on this particularly dicey play?

[CommonLawWarrior]

A trust structure might have the same property tax obligations, simply because you cannot create a state within a state. However trust structures supply a lot more privacy.

I have a friend, Warren Johnson, who has created a state within a state, the Sovereign Principality of Portosel. He makes Treaties with the US Government, and pays no IRS taxes. He can issue his own drivers license. So yes, it is possible to create a state within a state. He has done it.

Cheers!

[allodial]

A trust structure might have the same property tax obligations, simply because you cannot create a state within a state. However trust structures supply a lot more privacy.

I have a friend, Warren Johnson, who has created a state within a state, the Sovereign Principality of Portosel. He makes Treaties with the US Government, and pays no IRS taxes. He can issue his own drivers license. So yes, it is possible to create a state within a state. He has done it.

Cheers!

Well it might do you well to consider that while states can have exterior boundaries (as many well know and agree) they can also have interior boundaries. A state within a state, technically, isn't an impossibility, it was prohibited in some jurisdictions ('men under arms'? might be a related terms). As in, the Sovereign Principality of Portosel might not necessarily be a a state within a state. If you really know the topic at hand well enough, I suspect it will make lots of sense.

A trust structure might have the same property tax obligations....Cheers!

What is the effect of registration in the Torrens land registration system? What is the difference between an estate and a state? What is the French term for United States? What is the Spanish term for the United States of America? What is the French term for estate? What is the Spanish term for estate? What area or specialization or subject of the study of law do the terms 'divided title' and 'equitable title' pertain? What remains of a trust when the trustee quits, dies or is incapacitated?

Congress already planned it out for you, pursuant to divine law...

Or, Congress realized that Congress could not contravene divine law without getting into deep doo doo.

[Michael Joseph]

I have a friend, Warren Johnson, who has created a state within a state, the Sovereign Principality of Portosel. He makes Treaties with the US Government, and pays no IRS taxes. He can issue his own drivers license. So yes, it is possible to create a state within a state. He has done it.

Cheers!

If a State were to exist WITHIN another State then the former would be subject to the latter. And as such, the trustees and administrators would lack standing to treaty. Only an independent State may "sign onto" international treaties. And regarding drivers warrants and license - the international travel treaty in Vienna does not allow a suppliant or subject to sign onto its manor rolls.

This Warren Johnson most likely has exercised the Right of Self Determination just as the founders did in the Declaration of Independence.

Now a [e]State may be subject to a Kingdom as a "vassal" to the throne, and yet still be domestically sovereign in regard to its subjects. This we see everywhere.

Writs or Warrants are the work of a Sovereign which indemnify the Acts of His Court as they are understood in the Treasury which naturally belongs to the Sovereign. Suppliants seeking justice within the jurisdiction of said Kingdom are subject to the King and are resident to the King's Dominion [Kingdom]. Said King's Dominion is established upon a Claim and Survey. And dominion is exercised at Law.

In fact, it is only in the Magnus Regis whereby any Kingdom may treaty. If said King places in a plenipotentiary full power to treaty vested in trust by grant, and, in fact, this is how it is done; then one can easily see that Trust is UNDER Law. And therefore Trust is subject to the Administration of the kingdom. And that would include All trusts - even the "so called" cestui que vie trust. Therefore anyone claiming in Trust subjects himself to the Prince of which it is vested with the Administration.

Even the Use of Law subjects one by benefit to the Kingdom of which said Law is used. I have listened to many who indicate that their inheritance is in the common law and that may be true [actually it is true] but think about that for a moment. If one inherits by birth then the disposition of the benefit begs Administration and Trustee. There is a reason why the Franciscans have the triple crown in their "Crest" - also we see that the Jesuits are also under or "work for" the Franciscans.

So when one says "common law" one had best frame one's declaration. Which is to beg the question, common to which jurisdiction?

[David Merrill]

P.S. Commonlawwarrior;

The method I suggested could easily cost more than the property taxes, and if accepted in lieu of the tax assessor's bill would probably be an equivalent discharge, in the tax assessor's estimation.

Therefore if you cannot keep the property value "private", meaning $0, then the collateral motor vehicle analogy will likely fail. The point being, if you are enjoying part of civilization, especially not having to sit on your roof with a deer rifle all day long, you are probably just best setting up a trust structure so that everything else remains private.

Where you want to be, as explained is forgiving and within the mandatory exception of the true church - ecclesia.

[David Merrill]

P.S. The 'far-fetched' perception about the postings - I presume mostly by me, reflect a couple items that may be strange to Forgiveness. So I suggest that you might attempt to imagine radical responsibility. Anything at all that you put on anybody else, take that load off them and put it on yourself.

[allodial]

P.S. The 'far-fetched' perception about the postings - I presume mostly by me, reflect a couple items that may be strange to Forgiveness. So I suggest that you might attempt to imagine radical responsibility. Anything at all that you put on anybody else, take that load off them and put it on yourself.

If it belongs to me, and someone has injured it, who else can forgive or offer true remedy but I? The police officer cannot truly forgive you for me. Its radical to some because an excessively-exuberant corporate model and its diffusion of responsibility must necessarily always be pushing it off or depending on someone else. An 'escapist' method of debt management by playing possum and pretending not to exist. Creature depends on creator. Remember, the burroughs still in places (if not everywhere) rather than paying over to another corporation pay over to a county treasurer (i.e. to the court, the sheriff, the comte, the people...the living.)

P.S. The Federal Reserve banks are invariably agents of the Treasury. In New York, St. Louis and Kansas City you'll find Treasury Operations attached.

[CommonLawWarrior]

Actually, no, it was not your postings. It was other postings. My take on things that seem far fetched to me: if I need 'this far fetched protocol', the Holy Spirit will confirm this by the mouth of two or three witnesses, combined with Scripture, and will the accompanying peace of God. And if not, I will just Keep Moving Forward. No judgement on anyone, they will stand for themselves on Judgement Day, not me. :-)

[David Merrill]

Good explanation.

How can it possibly belong to you if you did not create it?

Is there any choice but to take responsibility for your own creation?