endorsing and SS.......a big question!

[JohnnyCash]

HA! Remember over at FreedomWatch when you said you'd submitted papers to SSA to terminate your participation? But then could not provide any documentation to backup your claims? Well I HAVE successfully stopped paying Social Security in 2008, Jesse, take a look:
http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ted=1#post5059

Here at STSC we don't just talk, we execute with proof. We get reproducible results. As an example, just today I blew past a statey in an unmarked car. After he finally caught up in his Toyota hoopty I handed the DL over saying "I'm showing this for competency not for identification." Let me tell you, prior to my discovering Planet Merrill, this would've been an automatic several hundred dollar ticket, but today, nothing but a few questions, "why were you traveling so fast?" "what's your driving record look like?" No ticket, no written warning, no nuthin honey. (NOTE: Please drive safely observing all traffic rules. Speed kills.)

Continue playing?

[jesse james]

EZrythm you cannot say you have no income and yet use an affidavit stating you are a willing participant of Social Security.
Ever really take an honest look into Social Security?
Earning 3121(a) "wages" is income.
For ease of understanding why you cannot say you dont have income and yet are a willing participant lets say to participate in Social security one earns a Social Security wage. This wage is going to be used as a means of measuring the credits towards benefits.

3121(a) "wages" is defined as all fruit except the term excludes-
1. Strawberry's and-
2. Banana's
Easy enough?

Ok onto defining 3401(a) "wages"
For the purpose of this chapter 3401(a) "wages" is defined as all vegetables except the term excludes-
1. Strawberry's
2. Banana's

Ok now you are wondering if 3401(a) "wages" is defined as all vegetables why in the heck does the 3401(a) "wage" exclude the same exclusions to 3121(a) "wages" that are fruit?
Good question huh?
This is where Hendricksons CtC theory falls apart and the reason why he's in prison today.
See EZRythm this is why the courts say 3401(a) "wages" is expansive to include the private sector along with government employees.
A little logic goes a long way.
By saying whats excluded in 3121(a) for the 3401(a) definition is telling you that 3121(a) "wages" are included in 3401(a).
You know Social Security covers a multitude of jobs or occupations that qualify for crediting the trust account for obtaining immediate and defered benefits offered by the government program.
So instead going the long route of listing every job or occupation they tell you the small list of jobs or occupations that dont qualify for crediting the trust account. This is a much simpler way.

This is exactly how the 3401(a) "wages" are written in Title 26.
Here see for yourself!

(a) Wages
For purposes of this chapter, the term “wages” means all remuneration (other than fees paid to a public official) for services performed by an employee for his employer, including the cash value of all remuneration (including benefits) paid in any medium other than cash; except that such term shall not include remuneration paid—

(1) for active service performed in a month for which such employee is entitled to the benefits of section 112 (relating to certain combat zone compensation of members of the Armed Forces of the United States) to the extent remuneration for such service is excludable from gross income under such section; or
(2) for agricultural labor (as defined in section 3121 (g)) unless the remuneration paid for such labor is wages (as defined in section 3121 (a)); or
[U](3) for domestic service in a private home, local college club, or local chapter of a college fraternity or sorority; or[/U]
(4) for service not in the course of the employer’s trade or business performed in any calendar quarter by an employee, unless the cash remuneration paid for such service is $50 or more and such service is performed by an individual who is regularly employed by such employer to perform such service. For purposes of this paragraph, an individual shall be deemed to be regularly employed by an employer during a calendar quarter only if—
(A) on each of some 24 days during such quarter such individual performs for such employer for some portion of the day service not in the course of the employer’s trade or business; or
(B) such individual was regularly employed (as determined under subparagraph (A)) by such employer in the performance of such service during the preceding calendar quarter; or
(5) for services by a citizen or resident of the United States for a foreign government or an international organization; or
(6) for such services, performed by a nonresident alien individual, as may be designated by regulations prescribed by the Secretary; or
[(7) Repealed. Pub. L. 89–809, title I, § 103(k), Nov. 13, 1966, 80 Stat. 1554]
(8)
(A) for services for an employer (other than the United States or any agency thereof)—
(i) performed by a citizen of the United States if, at the time of the payment of such remuneration, it is reasonable to believe that such remuneration will be excluded from gross income under section 911; or
(ii) performed in a foreign country or in a possession of the United States by such a citizen if, at the time of the payment of such remuneration, the employer is required by the law of any foreign country or possession of the United States to withhold income tax upon such remuneration; or
(B) for services for an employer (other than the United States or any agency thereof) performed by a citizen of the United States within a possession of the United States (other than Puerto Rico), if it is reasonable to believe that at least 80 percent of the remuneration to be paid to the employee by such employer during the calendar year will be for such services; or
(C) for services for an employer (other than the United States or any agency thereof) performed by a citizen of the United States within Puerto Rico, if it is reasonable to believe that during the entire calendar year the employee will be a bona fide resident of Puerto Rico; or
(D) for services for the United States (or any agency thereof) performed by a citizen of the United States within a possession of the United States to the extent the United States (or such agency) withholds taxes on such remuneration pursuant to an agreement with such possession; or
[U](9) for services performed by a duly ordained, commissioned, or licensed minister of a church in the exercise of his ministry or by a member of a religious order in the exercise of duties required by such order; [/U]or
(10)
(A) for services performed by an individual under the age of 18 in the delivery or distribution of newspapers or shopping news, not including delivery or distribution to any point for subsequent delivery or distribution; or (B) for services performed by an individual in, and at the time of, the sale of newspapers or magazines to ultimate consumers, under an arrangement under which the newspapers or magazines are to be sold by him at a fixed price, his compensation being based on the retention of the excess of such price over the amount at which the newspapers or magazines are charged to him, whether or not he is guaranteed a minimum amount of compensation for such services, or is entitled to be credited with the unsold newspapers or magazines turned back; or

EZRythm......prior the 1939 code you didnt see these Social Security exclusions in chapter 24's 3401(a) "wages".
Social Security didnt even exist until 1935.
This is why hendrickson is in jail because he wrote a book of his interpretive opinion that didnt line up with the actual law.
I hope you see why an affidavit such as yours isnt going to do anything except possible be used against you in a court of law.
You say you dont have income but yet by participating in Social Security you do because 3401(a) "wages" covers Social Security wages except for the exclusions. Whats excluded from Social Security is also excluded from the chapter 24 deduction and withholding requirement.
The only way you cannot have statutory "wages" is by either having a job that is excluded from the definition or dont even participate in the program altogether.

[Treefarmer]

EZrythm you cannot say you have no income and yet use an affidavit stating you are a willing participant of Social Security.
Ever really take an honest look into Social Security?
Earning 3121(a) "wages" is income.
For ease of understanding why you cannot say you dont have income and yet are a willing participant lets say to participate in Social security one earns a Social Security wage. This wage is going to be used as a means of measuring the credits towards benefits.

3121(a) "wages" is defined as all fruit except the term excludes-
1. Strawberry's and-
2. Banana's
Easy enough?

Ok onto defining 3401(a) "wages"
For the purpose of this chapter 3401(a) "wages" is defined as all vegetables except the term excludes-
1. Strawberry's
2. Banana's

Ok now you are wondering if 3401(a) "wages" is defined as all vegetables why in the heck does the 3401(a) "wage" exclude the same exclusions to 3121(a) "wages" that are fruit?
Good question huh?
This is where Hendricksons CtC theory falls apart and the reason why he's in prison today.
See EZRythm this is why the courts say 3401(a) "wages" is expansive to include the private sector along with government employees.
A little logic goes a long way.
By saying whats excluded in 3121(a) for the 3401(a) definition is telling you that 3121(a) "wages" are included in 3401(a).
You know Social Security covers a multitude of jobs or occupations that qualify for crediting the trust account for obtaining immediate and defered benefits offered by the government program.
So instead going the long route of listing every job or occupation they tell you the small list of jobs or occupations that dont qualify for crediting the trust account. This is a much simpler way.

This is exactly how the 3401(a) "wages" are written in Title 26.
Here see for yourself!

(a) Wages
For purposes of this chapter, the term “wages” means all remuneration (other than fees paid to a public official) for services performed by an employee for his employer, including the cash value of all remuneration (including benefits) paid in any medium other than cash; except that such term shall not include remuneration paid—

(1) for active service performed in a month for which such employee is entitled to the benefits of section 112 (relating to certain combat zone compensation of members of the Armed Forces of the United States) to the extent remuneration for such service is excludable from gross income under such section; or
(2) for agricultural labor (as defined in section 3121 (g)) unless the remuneration paid for such labor is wages (as defined in section 3121 (a)); or
[U](3) for domestic service in a private home, local college club, or local chapter of a college fraternity or sorority; or[/U]
(4) for service not in the course of the employer’s trade or business performed in any calendar quarter by an employee, unless the cash remuneration paid for such service is $50 or more and such service is performed by an individual who is regularly employed by such employer to perform such service. For purposes of this paragraph, an individual shall be deemed to be regularly employed by an employer during a calendar quarter only if—
(A) on each of some 24 days during such quarter such individual performs for such employer for some portion of the day service not in the course of the employer’s trade or business; or
(B) such individual was regularly employed (as determined under subparagraph (A)) by such employer in the performance of such service during the preceding calendar quarter; or
(5) for services by a citizen or resident of the United States for a foreign government or an international organization; or
(6) for such services, performed by a nonresident alien individual, as may be designated by regulations prescribed by the Secretary; or
[(7) Repealed. Pub. L. 89–809, title I, § 103(k), Nov. 13, 1966, 80 Stat. 1554]
(8)
(A) for services for an employer (other than the United States or any agency thereof)—
(i) performed by a citizen of the United States if, at the time of the payment of such remuneration, it is reasonable to believe that such remuneration will be excluded from gross income under section 911; or
(ii) performed in a foreign country or in a possession of the United States by such a citizen if, at the time of the payment of such remuneration, the employer is required by the law of any foreign country or possession of the United States to withhold income tax upon such remuneration; or
(B) for services for an employer (other than the United States or any agency thereof) performed by a citizen of the United States within a possession of the United States (other than Puerto Rico), if it is reasonable to believe that at least 80 percent of the remuneration to be paid to the employee by such employer during the calendar year will be for such services; or
(C) for services for an employer (other than the United States or any agency thereof) performed by a citizen of the United States within Puerto Rico, if it is reasonable to believe that during the entire calendar year the employee will be a bona fide resident of Puerto Rico; or
(D) for services for the United States (or any agency thereof) performed by a citizen of the United States within a possession of the United States to the extent the United States (or such agency) withholds taxes on such remuneration pursuant to an agreement with such possession; or
[U](9) for services performed by a duly ordained, commissioned, or licensed minister of a church in the exercise of his ministry or by a member of a religious order in the exercise of duties required by such order; [/U]or
(10)
(A) for services performed by an individual under the age of 18 in the delivery or distribution of newspapers or shopping news, not including delivery or distribution to any point for subsequent delivery or distribution; or (B) for services performed by an individual in, and at the time of, the sale of newspapers or magazines to ultimate consumers, under an arrangement under which the newspapers or magazines are to be sold by him at a fixed price, his compensation being based on the retention of the excess of such price over the amount at which the newspapers or magazines are charged to him, whether or not he is guaranteed a minimum amount of compensation for such services, or is entitled to be credited with the unsold newspapers or magazines turned back; or

EZRythm......prior the 1939 code you didnt see these Social Security exclusions in chapter 24's 3401(a) "wages".
Social Security didnt even exist until 1935.
This is why hendrickson is in jail because he wrote a book of his interpretive opinion that didnt line up with the actual law.
I hope you see why an affidavit such as yours isnt going to do anything except possible be used against you in a court of law.
You say you dont have income but yet by participating in Social Security you do because 3401(a) "wages" covers Social Security wages except for the exclusions. Whats excluded from Social Security is also excluded from the chapter 24 deduction and withholding requirement.
The only way you cannot have statutory "wages" is by either having a job that is excluded from the definition or dont even participate in the program altogether.

Thank you jesse james for your explanation of Pete HENDRICKSON's errors.

Now that you have brought up details of USC title 26, could you also please discuss how a person, who is a US citizen, becomes subject to title 26 statutes?

Since title 26 has never been enacted into positive law, but is only "prima facie evidence of the law", and since the Internal Revenue Service is not an agency of the Unites States Government
diver_justice_response-1.pdf,
I would like to know by what contract or mechanism a US citizen becomes subject to the Internal Revenue Code?

By way of explanation, it would also be nice if you could mention to what the Revenue Code is Internal?

Thank you for your participation in this forum.
I appreciate your inquisitiveness.

[jesse james]

Thank you jesse james for your explanation of Pete HENDRICKSON's errors.

Now that you have brought up details of USC title 26, could you also please discuss how a person, who is a US citizen, becomes subject to title 26 statutes?

Since title 26 has never been enacted into positive law, but is only "prima facie evidence of the law", and since the Internal Revenue Service is not an agency of the Unites States Government
diver_justice_response-1.pdf,
I would like to know by what contract or mechanism a US citizen becomes subject to the Internal Revenue Code?

By way of explanation, it would also be nice if you could mention to what the Revenue Code is Internal?

Thank you for your participation in this forum.
I appreciate your inquisitiveness.

Your answer to all these questions is understanding where you stand within the law/laws.
Know the difference between a "US citizens" and the "People".
I gave plenty of court cites explaining how to identify the difference.
I'd start with reading the jurisdiction clause of the 14th amendment, then read those cites I provided, look up an SS5 form to see what or who you are under perjury of being, and read the IRS website about what or who gives them authority to collect.
Read regulation 26CFR 1.1-1(c) to get an idea whos being taxed and subject to title 26.

Sec. 1.1-1 Income tax on individuals.
(a) General rule.
(1) Section 1 of the Code imposes an income tax on the income of every individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States and, to the extent provided by section 871(b) or 877(b), on the income of a nonresident alien individual

Any mention of using FRN as the cause for the tax imposition in this regulation?......................nope, nada, zilch, nothing to that nature. So do you beleive the Reserve Act from 1913 that doesnt say squat about imposing anything has anything at all to do with citizenship, 14th amendment, and the impositions found Title 26?

(c) Who is a citizen. Every person born or naturalized in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is a citizen.

Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

Heres what the IRS has to say about the 14th amandment.

1. Contention: Taxpayer is not a “citizen” of the United States, thus not subject to the federal income tax laws.
Some individuals argue that they have rejected citizenship in the United States in favor of state citizenship; therefore, they are relieved of their federal income tax obligations. A variation of this argument is that a person is a free born citizen of a particular state and thus was never a citizen of the United States. The underlying theme of these arguments is the same: the person is not a United States citizen and is not subject to federal tax laws because only United States citizens are subject to these laws.

The Law: The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution defines the basis for United States citizenship, stating that “[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” The Fourteenth Amendment therefore establishes simultaneous state and federal citizenship. Claims that individuals are not citizens of the United States but are solely citizens of a sovereign state and not subject to federal taxation have been uniformly rejected by the courts. The IRS issued Revenue Ruling 2007-22, 2007-14 I.R.B. 866, warning taxpayers of the consequences of making this frivolous argument.

See any mention of the IRS taxing the People of the United States of America?.......................................... ....nope! and they cant as the People are above their government!
But "US citizens" are NOT above the Peoples government!.......................they are subjects!

This is my arguement for those redeeming a check and yet have taxes deducted and withheld.......................they have jurisdiction over you. The 14th amendment gives them jurisdiction as you are still redeeming under their jurisdiction.
You have to first understand where you are standing within the law to identify the capacity you are operating in. Once you understand this you can easily figure a way out of the jurisdiction.
EZRythm thinks he can just write up an affidavit that he attest to not having income, but yet admits he is willing to participant in the same mechanism that turns his earnings into bonified reportable statutory "income". And the kicker here is hes sending this affidavit to a government agency that will use it against him as an attempt at tax fraud................how ignorant or smart is that?

[Treefarmer]

Your answer to all these questions is understanding where you stand within the law/laws.
Know the difference between a "US citizens" and the "People".
I gave plenty of court cites explaining how to identify the difference.
I'd start with reading the jurisdiction clause of the 14th amendment, then read those cites I provided, look up an SS5 form to see what or who you are under perjury of being, and read the IRS website about what or who gives them authority to collect.
Read regulation 26CFR 1.1-1(c) to get an idea whos being taxed and subject to title 26.


Any mention of using FRN as the cause for the tax imposition in this regulation?......................nope, nada, zilch, nothing to that nature. So do you beleive the Reserve Act from 1913 that doesnt say squat about imposing anything has anything at all to do with citizenship, 14th amendment, and the impositions found Title 26?

Thank you for bringing up 26CFR 1.1-1(c) jesse james.
Would you add the IRC definition of the term "income" as well?

Now my question is still not answered:
I would like to know by what contract or mechanism a US citizen becomes subject to the Internal Revenue Code?

Are you saying that the 14th Amendment makes US citizens automatically subject to any private law, such as title 26, of any private entity, such as the privately owned international banking cartel that is known as the Federal Reserve Bank, whose private collection agency is known as the Internal Revenue Service?

What, exactly, is the IRS internal of or to?

I don't see how the 14th Amendment can enslave a whole country full of people to someone's private law, i.e. title 26, when the Amendment which immediately precedes it, the 13th, prohibits enslavement?

Even though your case cites had to do with distinguishing between US citizens and people, they do not explain how people are turned into inferior US citizen subjects.
For the people to become subjects of a private entity which is not governed by the Constitution of the United States, they must have entered some contract with that private entity?
This cannot be the contract with the Social Security Administration, because the SSA claims to be a public entity of the United States Government, which claims to be by and for the people.

I would appreciate it if you would address these questions.
Thank you.

[jesse james]

Thank you for bringing up 26CFR 1.1-1(c) jesse james.
Would you add the IRC definition of the term "income" as well?
Not sure what you mean by this!

Now my question is still not answered:
I would like to know by what contract or mechanism a US citizen becomes subject to the Internal Revenue Code?
See 26CFR 1.1-1 for that answer. I supplied the the regulation but I cant make you think on your own..........leading a horse to water kind of thingy!

Are you saying that the 14th Amendment makes US citizens automatically subject to any private law, such as title 26, of any private entity, such as the privately owned international banking cartel that is known as the Federal Reserve Bank, whose private collection agency is known as the Internal Revenue Service?
Nope, I'm saying the 14th introduces a voluntary jurisdictional citizenship. Title 26 isnt private law, who told you that? Title 26 also allows for the collection of Constitutional tariffs and such.
The IRS is the collection agency of the US Treasury, not the federal reserve. Again question who is telling you these things. I'd stop listening to who ever youare listening to and do your own dilligent study.

What, exactly, is the IRS internal of or to?
The US federal government!
A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383

I don't see how the 14th Amendment can enslave a whole country full of people to someone's private law, i.e. title 26, when the Amendment which immediately precedes it, the 13th, prohibits enslavement?
1. Title 26 isnt private.
2. Amendment 13 addresses "involuntary servitude" not your voluntary participation in a social welfare program that you attest to being a subject under penalty of perjury. Doesnt matter how or who applied for a ssn. What matters is you can stop being a subject at any time.

Even though your case cites had to do with distinguishing between US citizens and people, they do not explain how people are turned into inferior US citizen subjects.
For the people to become subjects of a private entity which is not governed by the Constitution of the United States, they must have entered some contract with that private entity?
This cannot be the contract with the Social Security Administration, because the SSA claims to be a public entity of the United States Government, which claims to be by and for the people.
Please see the SS5 form. Its signed under penalty of perjury of being a "US citizen". You signed the back of the ssn card dont you? And you used the number didnt you?
Your account is active correct?...........then you somewhere or somehow told the US government.......not the federal reserve you wish to be treated as a US citizen.
I would appreciate it if you would address these questions.
Thank you.

Hope this helps

[stoneFree]

continuing the narrative...

So then an employee comes to me saying he wants to opt-out of social security and all "federal employment" and can I "stop the withholding?"
"Let me check into that." I answer. I put in one last call to my attorney relative with a couple questions:
"Is social security optional?"
"Can you give me the regulation requiring all my workers to sign a W4?"

My attorney launches into a long rambling explanation mentioning 3121 "wages" and citizenship & penalties, etc. I sense I'm being snowed. In fact, his speech is very reminiscent of "jesse" here! With the way Washington DC has been $pending & destroying liberty, I begin to wonder if I've been victimized too. After all, I stand to save $66 a week by letting this guy out of withholding.

I call mister "Free Man" employee into my office. "If you're willing to handle all the risk involved here, I'm willing to cut out the federales" I say.
"Great. I'm willing."
So together we dig out the W4 from the cabinet & shred it (I must add here the W4 was never sent anywhere, the SSA & IRS don't know it exists. I asked my workers to sign it and I feel somewhat guilty about that). I pull up my payroll software and sure enough, all the options are there to stop withholding, SS, Medicare & FUTA and pay him a full $800 paycheck:

[motla68]

Have you all considered the conversion, do you covert to U.S. Currency or do you convert to equity? Anyone see the last episode of Little House on the Prairie?
Your using a currency other men created, your using statutes other men created. Watch that episode on youtube and see if this makes any sense to you?

[jesse james]

Have you all considered the conversion, do you covert to U.S. Currency or do you convert to equity? Anyone see the last episode of Little House on the Prairie?
Your using a currency other men created, your using statutes other men created. Watch that episode on youtube and see if this makes any sense to you?

equity is a law form....not money!
Pleae explain

[shikamaru]

equity is a law form....not money!

Technically, it is a remedial form of law deriving from the Law of Remedies.

Depending on context, equity has a financial sense as well.

Equity, in a financial context, is the residual claim or interest of the most junior class of investors in assets after all liabilities have been paid.