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    Quote Originally Posted by itsmymoney View Post
    Michael,

    Thank you for responding so quickly.

    I read 'Beard', and have before but it was a good refresher.

    The 1040x did not zero-out all tax liability. I simply stated a LM negative offset in column B (Net Change) on Line 1 which is the 'Adjusted Gross Income' line. I was left with a tax liability but much less than the original. Perhaps you can clarify your comment "Before you say I did not file a zero return do yourself a favor and go read the foregoing."

    The 1040x does not have a 'Line 21' to enter the LM negative offset, therefore I stated the offset on Line 1. Now there is a Line 7 'credits' and a Line 10 'other taxes' but they do not appear to apply to the LM deduction. I also did not think it prudent to place the offset in Line 2 (itemized deductions or standard deduction).

    Frankly, when I decided to send an amended LM return I was hesitant to do so given my history we these criminals. So now I need the proper strategy and responses to avert this.
    You are welcome.

    I am familiar with the tact. I have never used it but can see it has value for one who understand what he is doing. Also see US v Rifen. Read Beard carefully. Remember at common law I can prosecute from my court - with two "good faith" notices and silence I have my judgement - I only need enforcement. Read between the lines and you will see without me telling you.

    Clarification on statement: I know you did not file a zero return...that does not matter one bit to the argument of friv filing. Myself I just called a couple of times got a very nice lady on the phone and talked her thru the agencies mistake. I have posted extensively in these forums concerning the fact that the front line people are mostly ignorant. Treat them nicely and they will return the favor. Remember the call is being recorded - that is a good thing. Especially if a MISTAKE has occurred.

    As for my part, I did not wait, I called immediately. Of course I could not accept their notice so I wrote them a letter thanking them for their good faith notice but kindly refusing on the cause of the incorrect presumption of obligation.

    The trustee is ALWAYS presumed guilty and must prove his/her innocence. The creator of the use [CQU] is making a demand for return of ledger upon a "presumed trustee".

    Again, I don't follow the tact used in this return - i can see its merits but I can't understand it and therefore I don't use what I don't comprehend and can't understand. I keep it very simple. I look forward to the day when i can have a face to face sit down with one of their agents - I was attempting to gain such an audience but alas they wanted to just talk to me on the phone.

    1. If you read Beard what was faulty concerning the argument?
    2. In US v. Rifen what is faulty concerning that argument?

    United States v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182, 184 (10th Cir. 1980) – the court affirmed the conviction for willfully failing to file a return and rejected the taxpayer’s argument that “the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, § 8, United States Constitution.”

    3. Can you point out the flaw in RICKMAN's argument?


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    MJ
    Last edited by Michael Joseph; 04-21-15 at 03:03 PM.
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