LAW states registration not required

[EZrhythm]

GREAT POST! I am well aware that consumer good are not required to be registered as I have been traveling with a plate that states that very thing for quite a while.

Here is an experience I had while displaying that plate;

October 2010, 3:30 AM, suburban area with a population around 2,000,000.

I had pulled up to a four way intersection with traffic signals. I chose the left-turn-only lane and facing directly across from me was a city officer waiting for the light to make his turn. His turn comes up first and my friend and I watch him proceed to make a left and then a right in to a parking lot next to us. I was thinking that maybe he noticed that there isn’t a front plate on my car, looking for an excuse to initiate a stop and wants to wait to see what I do.
Upon my green arrow I completed a “U” and then a quick right to the corner gas station.
My friend walks over to the convenience store next to the gas station and I soon moved the car over to the store’s lot to catch up with him.
While on my way in to the store, my friend is finishing up at the register then heads out the door. During my perusal of beverages I didn’t notice that a second officer has arrived on the “scene” probably after some communication with the first officer. The second officer apparently has now noticed my 'PRIVATE PROPERTY' plate (Photo file attached) on the rear of the car and approaches my friend who is waiting for me outside next to the car. The officer asks him, how he got here and if he is with “the guy”, referencing to the one who was previously “driving” the car. My friend affirms to the officer.
After I am done at the register and walk to the door, the second officer opens the door for me and asks if I have any registration papers for the car.
I tell him that I do not and that the title has been “junked”.
He asks me if I think that I should have the car registered.
I tell him, “No” and he asks me, “Why not?”
I let him know, “Not for traveling to the store. I’m not ‘in commerce’.”
He then asks me if I am one of those who thinks you don't need to register.
I replied, “No… Unless I am ‘in commerce’.”

And then he begins to enter the store and says,

“It’s good. Don’t worry about it. I am not even going to #&$% with you. Have a good night.”

My friend says that he wouldn’t have believed it if he hadn’t seen it.
I may have to agree with him.

[Frederick Burrell]

Great post EZrhythm. It seems I will giving it a try soon, as soon as I return to the states, as I turned in my plates when I left.

What did you make your plate out of looks good. fB

[EZrhythm]

Another remedy researcher in the area had about ten of them made at a sign shop, kept some and sold the rest. They were made from plastic and engraved.

[Treefarmer]

Another remedy researcher in the area had about ten of them made at a sign shop, kept some and sold the rest. They were made from plastic and engraved.

Nice!
I really appreciate this thread.

I've been thinking on this license issue for years now.
Government "licenses" for common right activities have always chafed me.

What about liability though?
What is your contingency plan if you were to injure someone with your automobile EZrythm?
Do you have any kind of insurance or other way of being able to make good if you accidentally inflict damage on the public roads?

Thank you

[allodial]

A sample USDOT # decal for front and rear of an automobile.


Another.

Sample database snapshot fragments:

LEGAL NAME:
SCHMIDT FAMILY TRUST

PHYSICAL ADDRESS:
PRIVATE 22 MAPLE LANE
NEAR SCHENECTADY, NEW YORK 12345

OPERATING CLASSIFICATION
[X] PRIVATE (PROPERTY)
[X] OTHER: EXEMPT, NOT FOR HIRE

CARRIER OPERATION
[X] INTERSTATE

CARGO CARRIED:
[X] OTHER: NO CARGO.

The information is searchable planet-wide via the Interweb (http://safer.fmcsa.dot.gov/CompanySnapshot.aspx). Law enforcement access is via FMSCA Portal https://portal.fmcsa.dot.gov/EAALogin.form. More information about FCMSA Portal here.

[Treefarmer]

Thank you allodial.
This reminds me: I recall you stated previously somewhere that you use no DL.
Does the DOT not require a DL for a "vehicle" for which they issue a number?
Or is the DOT a different jurisdiction altogether?

[allodial]

Thank you allodial.
This reminds me: I recall you stated previously somewhere that you use no DL.
Does the DOT not require a DL for a "vehicle" for which they issue a number?
Or is the DOT a different jurisdiction altogether?

AFAIK State DMVs are subject to US Department of Transportation regulations, etc. US Department of Transportation is a superior venue to the State DMV. Totally different jurisdiction and venue. If you are not commercial, private, not for hire I am unaware of any driver license requirement.

The USDOT # is not necessarily particular for any particular vehicle unless perhaps its for a vehicle registrant. Its comprehensive for an entire organization. 'Vehicle registration' is also available. It is possible, however, to use the VIN for the legal name.

[Treefarmer]

AFAIK State DMVs are subject to US Department of Transportation regulations, etc. US Department of Transportation a superior venue to the State DMV. Totally different jurisdiction and venue. If you are not commercial, private, not for hire I am unaware of any driver license requirement.

I just went to the DOT website.
Curiously they don't say much about themselves and don't even specify which United States they serve.
But they appear to be in charge of a whole host of alphabet agencies.

[allodial]

I'm amazed they did not demand to see your DL.
That's always the first thing that cops ask for around here.
I suppose you carry no DL when you travel EZrythm?

The license is a permit to be in possession of State property. If you get that then you much more insight ought to follow. As has been related before, to become a cop in State of Pennsylvania a person has to have a Pennsylvania driver license? Why? To take the part of the mandated training for police car operations, you need permission to be in possession of District-State property. Otherwise, how can you 'legally' 'drive' a police car?

Resident != private. Not domestic != State or Federal.

[Treefarmer]

The license is a permit to be in possession of State property. If you get that then you much more insight ought to follow. As has been related before, to become a cop in State of Pennsylvania a person has to have a Pennsylvania driver license? Why? To take the part of the mandated training for police car operations, you need permission to be in possession of District-State property. Otherwise, how can you 'legally' 'drive' a police car?

So, to recap what we have discussed here and elsewhere previously:
We are led to believe by parents, schools, lawyers, clergy, and certain government employees that we must "register" our automobiles with the State DMV or County as the case may be, at which point we have to pay taxes for the privilege, and we receive a "Certificate of Title" in return and a registration plate which has to be renewed every year, at a cost.
Then we need to apply for a DL in order to "drive" our "vehicle."
We also have to have insurance for each of our "vehicles" which is just money down the drain for most of us. (It's nice to have when you actually need it and the insurance company makes good on a claim, which doesn't always happen of course).

But all this is really unnecessary if one wants to travel for private purposes, not transporting paying "passengers" or "cargo" or for any other commercial purpose?
What about accident liability?
What are the options for handling claims arising from accidental collisions and such, in a private setting?