State Return - Need Assistance - Lawful Money

[Billy James]

Speaking with an Elder from one of the older Protestant churches, he informed me they did not pay taxes because they did not participate in social security

[Chex]

they did not pay taxes because they did not participate in social security

Which brings me back to this.

Whenever the SSA refers to you, it's a taxpayer. One holding a SS card, or cardholder. On the card provided to me by the SSA, it clearly says on the back "This card belongs to the SSA and you must return it if we ask for it." Does it get any clearer than that? What if they ask for it? What happens to my bank account, loans, houses, anything?

I've been pondering this for some time. What if I setup a trust, and make all sorts of crazy statutes if one was part of the trust. I give them numbers, and a card, then give them some money to sign a few contracts with their signature AND a reference to my special trust number I provided them.
Wouldn't that person then give physical capacity to the trust, and legal title to that contract would simply be held by said trust? Yes. Well, what if I were to remove them from the trust (I set it up that way), I take their card, I take their number. What is left, what legal remedy (may have some equitable) would that person have? All the documents they signed are referencing the trust.

There are times in life when one finally "sees" things for how they really are. Having kids, it's incredible to see the gears grinding in the minds connecting the dots, figuring things out. When we get older, this happens less frequently. But, this last year or so, things really started becoming clear. The biggest thing for me recently was finding that not only are cities incorporated (does the deed to your home reference a plat number, sub division or parcel, you have given them access to your property by dedication), counties are incorporated, and STATES OF ________ all were incorporated by the early 70's. They are corporate states, a private body! [http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ll=1#post15012

Babies just out of the womb have to have a SS#. I want to know why? Whose child is this?

[Brian]

Which brings me back to this.

Whenever the SSA refers to you, it's a taxpayer. One holding a SS card, or cardholder. On the card provided to me by the SSA, it clearly says on the back "This card belongs to the SSA and you must return it if we ask for it." Does it get any clearer than that? What if they ask for it? What happens to my bank account, loans, houses, anything?

I've been pondering this for some time. What if I setup a trust, and make all sorts of crazy statutes if one was part of the trust. I give them numbers, and a card, then give them some money to sign a few contracts with their signature AND a reference to my special trust number I provided them.
Wouldn't that person then give physical capacity to the trust, and legal title to that contract would simply be held by said trust? Yes. Well, what if I were to remove them from the trust (I set it up that way), I take their card, I take their number. What is left, what legal remedy (may have some equitable) would that person have? All the documents they signed are referencing the trust.

There are times in life when one finally "sees" things for how they really are. Having kids, it's incredible to see the gears grinding in the minds connecting the dots, figuring things out. When we get older, this happens less frequently. But, this last year or so, things really started becoming clear. The biggest thing for me recently was finding that not only are cities incorporated (does the deed to your home reference a plat number, sub division or parcel, you have given them access to your property by dedication), counties are incorporated, and STATES OF ________ all were incorporated by the early 70's. They are corporate states, a private body! [http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ll=1#post15012

Babies just out of the womb have to have a SS#. I want to know why? Whose child is this?

Isn't SSA just a contract? The old guy referenced above probably never gave out his SSN# to anyone thereby NOT creating a presumption of a contractual (trust) relationship with the .Gov types. We are coerced to provide a SSN# to a new employer when your filling out all the paperwork upon commencing employment. They then use that SSN# to withhold $$ in order to pay the special income tax known as SSA. Now if your liable for the special income tax (SSA) your also liable to the general income tax levied on using bank money (and medicare). The employer then sends a W-3 to the SSA who then sends a W-2 to the IRS, and your misery begins. All of this is based off the presumption that you wish to participate in the SSA programs (contract) and that you are using bank money as your medium of exchange (duty on contracts aka checks). In order to perfect jurisdiction/standing on you they presume the contract was entered into (presenting your SSN# and using bank money) and if you never object to it they win as the injured party (in that you did not perform to the contract by filling out all their stupid forms). Using bank money is the gateway to the SSN contract(tax).