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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    I ponder lately how the SSN is not to be used for Identification Purposes, yet the IRS wants that same exact Number for a Taxpayer Identification Number?
    I have posted this here already a couple of times before but don't seem to engender any reaction...from anyone. However, I cannot find a better explanation to the connection between SSN / IRS / and citizenship domicile. http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...ipdiagrams.pdf

    Hbert

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hbert997 View Post
    I have posted this here already a couple of times before but don't seem to engender any reaction...from anyone. However, I cannot find a better explanation to the connection between SSN / IRS / and citizenship domicile. http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...ipdiagrams.pdf

    Hbert
    Somebody put a lot of work into that treatise and diagrams! Have you been studying that a while? I don't want to get four hours into it and discover that it is full of errors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Somebody put a lot of work into that treatise and diagrams! Have you been studying that a while? I don't want to get four hours into it and discover that it is full of errors...
    David, I'm still studying their materials, as there is a tremendous amount of it on the site. However, I haven't yet found anything "that is full of errors..." in it! However, I continue to be a Berean and search and confirm.

    I'm certainly no lawyer and I don't play one on t.v. (though I'm married to one from Mexico!)...but, this is how the treatise and associated diagrams ( http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...ipdiagrams.pdf ) boils down to me:

    1. We have all signed a SS-5 form for a SSN card...and/or we have all at one time or another signed a bank card, an IRS form 1040 or a different IRS form, a Voter Registration Card, a Passport Application...or even a Juror's Summons. All of these forms we sign are as a "U.S. Citizen"...and this creates citizenship context NOT in nationality (as we believe)...but in DOMICILE. And that domicile is in the United States (Federal Zone, District of Columbia).
    2. And as such, we are then in Franchise Agreement with the Federal Government and are also involved in a Trade or Business or Employment as it relates to taxation.
    3. This creates a never-ending cycle of reporting from "employers", "payors" and the SSA all to the IRS and their file systems and we can never get out!
    4. One must somehow change their domicile in respect to the legal definitions that are used against us to a legal domicile OUTSIDE the Federal Zone/D.C. (United States). This requires filing for a new passport with the correct national/domicile status...refiling a SS-5 form with the SSA to correct the original mistake and remove the U.S. Citizen status...and then to inform the IRS that you are no longer to be in their system as a U.S. Citizen and will file as a non-resident alien (in respect to the Federal Zone/United States) when needed and to remove your status as such.

    And I realize I've simplified this down greatly but, this treatise and associated diagrams shows the path out...along with all of the other related material from their site.

    ...and I haven't yet found anything in error with it. And then again, I'm not a lawyer...I'm just a workin' stiff who's had enough and knows that somewhere there is a way out of this master-web of deception on a grand scale and will continue to search until I have succeeded PROPERLY and COMPLETELY and not TEMPORARILY as some have and claim to be.

    I will continue to study and I encourage others reading this to read the link I've included and give me your opinion and analysis, but I believe it to compliment your efforts David.

    Hbert

    P.S. I only engage in constructive dialogue together with the exchange of ideas and intelligent opinions and I reserve the right to ignore those who don't possess these traits of gallant and courageous men/women. Time is quickly running out for us and to do anything else is a waste of precious time...of which we have very little of anymore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hbert997 View Post
    David, I'm still studying their materials, as there is a tremendous amount of it on the site. However, I haven't yet found anything "that is full of errors..." in it! However, I continue to be a Berean and search and confirm.

    I'm certainly no lawyer and I don't play one on t.v. (though I'm married to one from Mexico!)...but, this is how the treatise and associated diagrams ( http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...ipdiagrams.pdf ) boils down to me:

    1. We have all signed a SS-5 form for a SSN card...and/or we have all at one time or another signed a bank card, an IRS form 1040 or a different IRS form, a Voter Registration Card, a Passport Application...or even a Juror's Summons. All of these forms we sign are as a "U.S. Citizen"...and this creates citizenship context NOT in nationality (as we believe)...but in DOMICILE. And that domicile is in the United States (Federal Zone, District of Columbia).
    2. And as such, we are then in Franchise Agreement with the Federal Government and are also involved in a Trade or Business or Employment as it relates to taxation.
    3. This creates a never-ending cycle of reporting from "employers", "payors" and the SSA all to the IRS and their file systems and we can never get out!
    4. One must somehow change their domicile in respect to the legal definitions that are used against us to a legal domicile OUTSIDE the Federal Zone/D.C. (United States). This requires filing for a new passport with the correct national/domicile status...refiling a SS-5 form with the SSA to correct the original mistake and remove the U.S. Citizen status...and then to inform the IRS that you are no longer to be in their system as a U.S. Citizen and will file as a non-resident alien (in respect to the Federal Zone/United States) when needed and to remove your status as such.

    And I realize I've simplified this down greatly but, this treatise and associated diagrams shows the path out...along with all of the other related material from their site.

    ...and I haven't yet found anything in error with it. And then again, I'm not a lawyer...I'm just a workin' stiff who's had enough and knows that somewhere there is a way out of this master-web of deception on a grand scale and will continue to search until I have succeeded PROPERLY and COMPLETELY and not TEMPORARILY as some have and claim to be.

    I will continue to study and I encourage others reading this to read the link I've included and give me your opinion and analysis, but I believe it to compliment your efforts David.

    Hbert

    P.S. I only engage in constructive dialogue together with the exchange of ideas and intelligent opinions and I reserve the right to ignore those who don't possess these traits of gallant and courageous men/women. Time is quickly running out for us and to do anything else is a waste of precious time...of which we have very little of anymore!


    Thank you. I disagree that there is no way out. If you believe that though, there is no way out.

    I do not believe that government can control what I have and do not have. I get evidence in how if anybody, even government uses "my" Social Security Number without my approval and verification that is a crime of forgery, and usually identity theft too.

    I have seen them stumped for over an hour at booking when they ask what my SSN is. Finally they just pretend I verified it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hbert997 View Post
    I have posted this here already a couple of times before but don't seem to engender any reaction...from anyone. However, I cannot find a better explanation to the connection between SSN / IRS / and citizenship domicile. http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...ipdiagrams.pdf

    Hbert
    Thank you for bringing this up again Hbert997.
    I had meant to comment, but somehow never got around to it.

    The first time I saw this material was about 2 years ago (SJC), and I couldn't figure it out. But I've kept trying ever since, and I've read a lot of the other SEDM material too, and it's begun to make sense to me.

    I believe that there's a lot of truth conveyed in these diagrams and documents.
    The fact that all the diagrams are ridiculously convoluted and nearly impossible to understand certainly mirrors the reality that we face in government interactions and legal affairs.
    I have found the SEDM material to be very convincing, but then again I thought Pete HENDRICKSON was onto something too...so I keep studying.

    Based on my study of the citizenship diagrams and other SEDM publications I have decided to phase out my use of my commercial vessel, FIRST M LAST + SSN, as quickly as possible.
    IMHO, US citizenship is a trap. Once caught in that trap and loaded down with debt, one becomes enslaved for the rest of life; no more "pursuit of happiness" possible.
    Treefarmer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treefarmer View Post
    IMHO, US citizenship is a trap. Once caught in that trap and loaded down with debt, one becomes enslaved for the rest of life; no more "pursuit of happiness" possible.
    I'm trying a different route. I'm separating my real, flesh and blood self and possessions from the commercial vehicle while maintaining the commercial vehicle solely as an interface for the public.

    The vehicle should be breakaway in the event of financial collapse of a given system.

    Remove as many commercial nexuses as possible to your hard, physical possessions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shikamaru View Post
    I'm trying a different route. I'm separating my real, flesh and blood self and possessions from the commercial vehicle while maintaining the commercial vehicle solely as an interface for the public.

    The vehicle should be breakaway in the event of financial collapse of a given system.

    Remove as many commercial nexuses as possible to your hard, physical possessions.
    Sounds like a similar route as I outlined, but different words to describe it
    Treefarmer

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    ..."Not subject to...", I LIKE that! Would make a nice change to my private plate.

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