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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick Burrell View Post
    I think if you read the law quoted the remedy becomes self evident. No registration required.
    If its so self-evident then why are so many people having trouble? You and I might know but does it mean that the Roscoe Pico Trayne does? No tags, no notice is a good way to get pulled over every single day you sojourn by such an automobile. You're dealing with US Naval Regulations on land in case you didn't know. Just FYI. No registration required is a 'law'. Attaining an asserting remedy in practice is another deal altogether. Perhaps "you can go through the door" is the law and actually going through the door is the remedy. As in, one invites the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick Burrell View Post
    The question seems more along the lines of how to notice those that think they are in authority. Home made plates would be a good start, as notice to those officers you meet on the highway to identify you as a private individual conducting private affairs and not for commerce. On top of that noticing authorities in the state and county where you live of the removal of your private transportation from the federal/state registry and either keeping accurate record for your self or use of a federal repository to keep records of the presentation made to said authorities. The second post fits into this Idea very nicely and shows this as a workable remedy. This the line of discussion I intended the thread to take, but no biggy. fB
    Well many have tried to go without plates. Some have with or without success. I've made DIY plates and didn't have any trouble at all --they weren't USDOT related either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick Burrell View Post
    No registration required. The question seems more along the lines of how to notice those that think they are in authority.
    That is exactly why the USDOT allows non-commercial USDOT #s because they are aware that registration cannot always be required.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick Burrell View Post
    Home made plates would be a good start, as notice to those officers you meet on the highway to identify you as a private individual conducting private affairs and not for commerce. On top of that noticing authorities in the state and county where you live of the removal of your private transportation from the federal/state registry and either keeping accurate record for your self or use of a federal repository to keep records of the presentation made to said authorities. The second post fits into this Idea very nicely and shows this as a workable remedy. This the line of discussion I intended the thread to take, but no biggy. fB
    So many of us have been there..done that. However, the topic multi-faceted and shallow thinking could get someone in trouble. There are different issues which can be touched upon by way of question:

    (i) How to de-register a car from State registration?
    (ii) How do you provide notice to the US, State of California or Canada concerning the uniqueness of your plate/tag?
    (iii) What kind of information do you display on a tag?
    (iv) What suffices as proof of right of possession other than a Certificate of Title?

    i. You can transfer it from domestic to not domestic and/or from public/residential to private using by gifting/selling/assigning. States issue CoT to *residents*. Foreigners can be lienholders. Oh believe me I've had one on one with top-level DMV heads of more than one State. You find a "notice of sale" form and make a generic one using that kind of information and mail it to the DMV associate with the Title Document.

    ii. You could send a notice to State Patrol, Attorney General, Sherriff, Chief of Police about the unique tag. Depends on where you are "coming from" so to speak. In the box? Out of the box?

    iii. If identifying the particular automobile is key then the VIN # or the last eight digits (CA/CO) might suffice. Does your name go at the top of the tag? What goes at the top of the tag? Does the name of the assignee go on top of the tag? What's the significance of using the State's name vs the name of an assignee on a tag? 2" to 3" tall lettering with high contrast between letters and background tends to be recommended for automobile signage/decals.

    iv. An MSO. Bill of Sale, Gifting or Assignment + MSO. Mechanic's Lien form. Other Lien form. Junk or Salvage Title. Notice of sale form.

    http://www.odot.state.or.us/forms/dmv/6890.pdf
    http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/forms/btr/82050.pdf

    Those are examples of how you could make your custom notice using a Word Processor.
    Last edited by allodial; 09-01-11 at 03:44 PM.
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