The Fourth Branch of government, the Common Law Grand Jury

[doug555]

YOUR COUNTRY AND COUNTY NEED YOU NOW!

The Fourth Branch of government, the Common Law Grand Jury, acknowledged in the 5th Amendmentlegalized plunderThe Power of the Grand Jury" video at nationallibertyalliance.orglegalized plunderSaving to Suitors" common law remedy.

If you are near Buncombe County, North Carolina, click on the below link and consider meeting up with us on 1/25/14.
http://www.meetup.com/National-Liber...orth-Carolina/

[Chex]

YOUR COUNTRY AND COUNTY NEED YOU NOW! If you are near Buncombe County, North Carolina, click on the below link and consider meeting up with us on 1/25/14.http://www.meetup.com/National-Liber...orth-Carolina/

In the common law, a grand jury is a type of jury that determines whether there is enough evidence for a trial. Grand juries carry out this duty by examining evidence presented to them by a prosecutor and issuing indictments, or by investigating alleged crimes and issuing presentments. A grand jury is traditionally larger than and distinguishable from a petit jury, which is used during a trial. http://commonlawgrandjury.com/legal/...Grand-Jury.pdf

@ Doug555, Here http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/olmbr.aspx might be a guest list for Buncombe County Representation whereas Douglas Stehling http://www.meetup.com/National-Liber...ers/124748382/ might be one to invite along with some other Buncombe County Representation http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascript...ounty=Buncombe

This guy too Representative Tim D. Moffitt (Rep) of 3182 Sweeten Creek Rd., Asheville, NC 28803 of http://www.emoffitt.com/

From the renovation of The Statue of Liberty to leading legal firms and multi-family construction projects, Moffitt has helped hundreds of companies find thousands of qualified candidates for hard to fill positions

Tim likes to introduce bills http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascript...=623&Chamber=Hhttp://kids.clerk.house.gov/grade-sc....html?intID=17

Section 7.
All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.
Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law.

But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.

Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...iclei#section7

Another invite might be Susan Fisher. http://electsusanfisher.org/wp/http://electsusanfisher.org/wp/?page_id=12

Representative Susan Fisher is a strong and effective leader in the North Carolina House, standing up for the things that matter to people in her district: working to get our economy back on track with good jobs for working families, protecting education as the key to our economic future, cleaning up our environment, and advocating civil rights for all people.

She has as a website on Manta http://www.manta.com/c/mry3dzj/elect...isher-democrat I found her from here http://buncombedems.org/elected-officials/

She is also on the Standing Committee Assignments, 2013-2014 Session http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascript...=463&Chamber=H in banking.

I hope that everything goes right and the questions you ask get answered. Hopefully you can post some video of the meeting.

[Keith Alan]

Here's a great article on Grand juries. http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/runaway.htm

Edit -- "In 1906 the United States Supreme Court dealt with the question of whether grand juries could be restricted from straying into investigations of issues not formally presented to them by prosecutors.See*Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43 (1916). The Court held that it was "entirely clear . . . under the practice in this country," that grand jurors may proceed upon either their own knowledge or upon the examination of witnesses brought before them, "to inquire for themselves whether a crime cognizable in the court has been committed."*Hale, 201 U.S. at 65. Thus, in some respects, the "runaway" grand jury, though not given such a name at the time, has been upheld by the nation's highest court. It is therefore debatable whether the modern Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, which have limited federal grand jury action since 1946, are constitutional.*See infra*notes 87-128 and accompanying text (discussing the constitutionality of Rules 6);*See also*FRANKEL & NAFTALIS,*supranote 12, at 111 (mentioning that Rule 6's language "sounds like an inescapable and unambiguous barrier to the grand jury's proceeding without an attorney. . . . [b]ut people learned in the law have seen means of escaping and possibly overriding barriers that appear insurmountable at first. While the barriers here still stand, the debate may not be over.")."

[Chex]

Here's another http://www.mnd.uscourts.gov/JuryInfo...handbook.shtml

[Anthony Joseph]

while i respect an effort by people to invoke, and stand on/for common law, i see problems with this groups approach

look at this document sent by 'Unified New York Common Law Grand Jury'

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.o...20Warranto.pdf

how many jurisdictions can you see invoked just on the first page? i count at least six [mixed jurisdictions = mixed minded = incompetent]

now read the response by Michelle Carroll: 'Chief Clerk'

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.o...n%20county.pdf

do you believe there is anything untrue or unlawful stated in that response?

[Freed Gerdes]

The is no doubt that the current court system, which operates largely outside the Constitution, will resist any efforts to establish grand juries not under their control. This does not mean that such citizen directed grand juries lack standing, it merely means that they lack the cooperation of the same people they are trying to indict. The problem there is the same one faced by anyone who has tried to get justice served through the current US Attorney General Holder. When an organized gang decides to support and commit major crimes on a grand scale, they first capture the systems designed to control and regulate those activities. Then they can decide, using the official channels intended for such prosecutions, not to prosecute. This is representative government, but captured by thugs. It is still representative government, it just does not represent 'the people,' now it represents 'the cronies.'

Freed

[Chex]

The is no doubt that the current court system, which operates largely outside the Constitution, will resist any efforts to establish grand juries not under their control.

No doubt about that.

Basically Judge A. Gail Prudenti is saying

Reject requests to file documents that attempt to establish common-law grand juries - Judge A. Gail Prudenti .

of 45 Monroe Place Brooklyn, NY 11201 (t) (718) 772-6400 (f) (718) 855-2884 a Republican appointed by Governor George E. Pataki, Acting Justice of the New York Supreme Court from 1996 to 2000 and Surrogate Court Judge in Suffolk County from 1995 to 2000 who sat on the New York Supreme Court Tenth Judicial District from 1992 to 1994 who was in private practice from 1982 to 1991where she specialized in trusts and estates and special counsel to the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association's Widows and Orphans Fund and acting as a Chief Administrative Judge of the Courts of New York State just told all the people of New York to go screw themselves

[Anthony Joseph]

perhaps you are missing the point(s):

1) someone requesting of someone else to do something without being able to convey a singular jurisdiction is someone who cannot receive what is being requested
2) did anyone request anything?

[doug555]

while i respect an effort by people to invoke, and stand on/for common law, i see problems with this groups approach

look at this document sent by 'Unified New York Common Law Grand Jury'

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.o...20Warranto.pdf

how many jurisdictions can you see invoked just on the first page? i count at least six [mixed jurisdictions = mixed minded = incompetent]

now read the response by Michelle Carroll: 'Chief Clerk'

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.o...n%20county.pdf

do you believe there is anything untrue or unlawful stated in that response?

Very good point... It must be made clear that the citing of their rules is for their benefit only. Their rules may acknowledge the Grand Jury, but they certainly don't authorize it. That authority goes way back in time before the US existed, even to Deuteronomy.

So the clerk's reply is therefore logical. The Grand Jury's paperwork should not be in "their" system. But then again, is it "their" system if it is receiving funding from the "people"?

Is the courthouse "their" building, or does it belong to the people, the public?

Karl holds his court at the public building.

The issue of private vs public comes in here.

This is an important issue and distinction.

But perhaps it is "their" building, if all the funds used to build it were FRN's!

Does this mean that the Grand Jury and all Jurists in the jury pool must FIRST be on record as demanding lawful money for all transactions BEFORE they can truly claim to be "separate" as the Fourth Branch of the government????

Wow! Perhaps David and MJ need to have a heart to heart talk with John Darash ASAP?!

[Anthony Joseph]

i believe that is something that will never be uttered in open court when pressed; the 2nd dimension realm of 'FRNs' and whether or not the use of them incurs some sort of 'lien' cannot be verified unless someone will speak to that in open court, under oath or affirmation, with full liability

the 'FED' does not have a 'say' in the matter when faced with the claims of the living simply because 'it' cannot speak

therefore, no claim exists regarding the public courthouse buildings save for those who have a voice [living]

[Chex]

i believe that is something that will never be uttered in open court when pressed; the 2nd dimension realm of 'FRNs' and whether or not the use of them incurs some sort of 'lien' cannot be verified unless someone will speak to that in open court, under oath or affirmation, with full liability

the 'FED' does not have a 'say' in the matter when faced with the claims of the living simply because 'it' cannot speak

therefore, no claim exists regarding the public courthouse buildings save for those who have a voice [living]

the dispatch center falsified their time sheets.

demand that a whistle blower sign away his immunity from prosecution before testifying before a grand jury. http://blog.timesunion.com/localpoli...ecutor-needed/

A grand jury in North Carolina Tuesday declined to indict a Charlotte police officer for voluntary manslaughter in the shooting of an unarmed man this past September. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/22...g-unarmed-man/ typical grand jury has 18 members.

IC 35-34-2-2
Number; impaneling; scope of function and authority; convening
Sec. 2. (a) A grand jury shall consist of six (6) grand jurors and one (1) alternate and may be impaneled by the circuit court or a superior court with criminal jurisdiction. A grand jury shall hear and examine evidence concerning crimes and shall take action with respect to this evidence as provided by law. (b) The court shall call the grand jury into session at the request of the prosecuting attorney.

Grand Jury California is served by a grand jury system that provides a grand jury in each county empowered by law to bring indictments or perform an oversight function into the operation of county and municipal governments. Federal grand juries and county grand juries in most other states are concerned only with criminal indictments and have no civil responsibilities. http://www.riverside.courts.ca.gov/g...randjury.shtml


Grand juries shall consist of fifteen persons who satisfy the qualifications of a juror specified in section 2313.17 of the Revised Code. Persons to serve as grand jurors in the court of common pleas of each county shall be selected from the persons whose names are contained in the annual jury list . http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2939

A grand jury consists of 12 or 23 members in addition to four alternates. At any meeting of a grand jury at least nine grand jurors constitutes a quorum. (CRS 13-72-102). http://www.courts.state.co.us/Media/...and_juries.pdf

The United States is the only common law jurisdiction in the world that continues to use the grand jury to screen criminal indictments. Generally speaking, a grand jury may issue an indictment for a crime, also known as a "true bill," only if it finds based upon the evidence that has been presented to it that there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed by a criminal suspect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_j..._United_Stateshttp://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57...state.html.csp

Traditionally, grand juries served as a shield between unjust prosecution by the state and the individual. Grand juries serve dual functions. The grand jury's primary role is to determine whether sufficient evidence exists to justify indicting an accused individual. 1 To make such determinations, a grand jury also serves as an investigating body with subpoena powers. 2 In Florida, a grand jury indictment is required only to try a person for a capital offense; i.e., one where the death penalty may be given. 3 Otherwise, the state attorney has concurrent authority to file a formal accusation of the commission of a crime (an "information"). 4 The information is used routinely to charge individuals in Florida. In addition to capital cases, grand juries often are utilized for controversial cases such as those involving alleged wrongdoing by public officials. http://www.floridabar.org/DIVCOM/PI/...4!OpenDocument

[Chex]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...bates/4785639/

Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGiz...e&noredirect=1 Flat tax on sales tax maybe but income is another story.

Nonetheless, we need the IRS to enforce tax laws, { Start with congressional laws} stop and prevent fraud, {start obeying the laws} prepare forms and instructions, process refunds, collect revenue and assist taxpayers in complying with tax obligations. U.S. Representative Ander Crenshaw from Florida's 4th district, Republican party. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...bates/4785059/

THe evidence I have that proves that Name is not mine but I am a MERE USER of said property begins with the BC. The BC certificate I requested had a letter sent that stated BC FOR JOHN SMITH. No where on that BC is MY signature. It has a state seal signed by an official trustee for the state. It is a certified COPY where the state retains the original document - held in trust where the state receives benefit. I, a man can not have that original document. PERIOD. If I were the owner of MY PROPERTY NAME, then the state must turn that document over to me. http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...2733#post12733

you have these tools (person, SSN, BC, Last Name, etc.) at your disposal if you choose to use them

no one else has a right to use these tools, created for your specific use, as you would, when and if you choose to use them

these 'things' are your property

no one else has a right to administer or take your property without your consent

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1084-What-s-in-a-NAME&p=12733&viewfull=1#post12733

a claim can only be made in living voice by man

one who makes said claim is fully liable for it

a false claim is one which is pursued with full knowledge that no harm or injury is done to a man - non-verifiable

a man can only harm another man

nothing in the 2nd dimension can be harmed

nothing in the second dimension can make a claim

common law is the supreme law of the land

common law requires that there must be a wrong of harm, injury or breach done by one man against another for a true and proper claim to exist

a man requires (demands by authority and by right) a proper claim brought in common law so he may settle and make restitution to the man aggrieved, if the claim be true

if no agreement can be made, the controversy will be heard and judged by a jury of 24 people who are God's representatives on earth

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1080-Consent-to-Service-of-Process&p=12680&viewfull=1#post12680

[Anthony Joseph]

you're confusing property with ownership

you're confusing your name with a piece of paper

by the way; what happens when one demands the original live birth record, or whatever "original" birth document someone seeks out, that is being "held in trust"?

usual response: "we need a court order to release that document"

there is your answer

[David Merrill]

Wouldn't that be grand to get that court order? [Pun intended.]

[Chex]

Wouldn't that be grand to get that court order?

Then its time to get that court order.