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  • Casper
    Member
    • Jul 2014
    • 62

    #16
    Jethro, I can only speak for myself since I know what my status is. My heritage traces back to the early 1600s in one of the original colonies, said ancestors became landholders in 1640. They predated our nations Organic Laws and were the original Constitutional Citizens, and especially they predated the 14th Amendment citizenship. As a natural-born of a state of the Union, at some point I voluntarily made the election to be treated as a US citizen for tax purposes (a privilege), around the age of 16. Which was when I also was told of my need for applying for a SS#, which I later discovered I was not even eligible for since the 50 states are not included in the 1935 Social Security Act [Section 1101(a)(1) and 1101(a)(2)] codified at 42 USC 1301(a)(1) and 1301(a)(2). I also discovered the SS Act was for a "person" defined in the Social Security Act at Section 1101(a)(3) and (a)(4). I have seen no evidence that I am such a said "person". It was never explained to me that I had other options.

    I recently had to resign that trustee relationship due to my religious objections, and so unfortunately I was no longer eligible to hold a "public office". So I revoked the original election to be treated as a US citizen for tax purposes by an Affidavit to the appropriate parties. Sadly, I no longer have the privilege to file. However, as I stated earlier, there are plenty of other foreign nationals that live and work here and are doing just fine. The fedgov seems to roll out the red carpet for them, and respects their rights more than mere "residents". I have learned much from them. If someone asks me for a 1099 form to be filed, I just use the appropriate form for a foreign national (without the United States). A SS# is not required to live and work in the United States. The 1099 is a tax class 5 doc, and is not evidence of a tax liability, nor would it change my status. It is not even signed, much less a jurat. Showing the person who remunerates you for your labor copies of your revocation, the certain laws passed by Congress, and the correct forms, should suffice. A payor cannot deem you a US citizen/"public officer". FYI, read the passport application form DS-11 for the 2 passport options citizens/nationals and research which option is appropriate for you.

    If you are a US citizen, employed within the United States, in that public office, I recommend you return for your privilege. Redeeming lawful money is an interesting option.

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    • Brian
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 142

      #17
      Originally posted by osbogosley View Post
      A man tells me he wants his house remodeled. I agree to do the remodel. I use my energy(currency) to perform the changes. He, in exchange, gives me a check.

      Check/negotiable instrument: Broadly defined, contract implies an enforceable promissary obligation, that is, a promise for the breach of which the law gives remedy. In this sense every article 3 (UCC) negotiable instrument is a contract. From "Instruments and check collection (the new law) In a nutshell series. 4th edition"

      What he gives me is used to refill my energy bank. I view this as reimbursement for something I had used from my stores of current(energy).

      I used something I already possesed in exchange for value of a different form. I loaned it until such time as he paid back what was determined to be equal value.

      The current went 2 directions, out and back in. From my energy bank and then back in.

      There was no wage, no pay, and no income. It was simply an exchange of currency whereby balance is achieved.

      I like to call it compensation for my labor/time, but whatever it is called is irrelevant.

      My records are balanced. There is no profit. There is no excess.

      You are not being taxed on profit

      Agreeing to a tax on the check is insanity.

      I agree but they don't care

      I explained this to the bank woman while I was setting up a new account and her eyes grew big. She said she would have never thought of it that way. I wonder what a revenue agent would say.
      When you use the SOP of society and sign the check and deposit it into the bank. They are essentially negotiating the check on your behalf for bank credit or federal reserve credit/notes. At no time did they discharge the debt via the treasury. The whole progression of events was handled via the banking system. THIS is the taxable event...not your work or labor or service or employment. That would be slavery.

      My time and labor is MY property (intangible), to be used as I wish. I sell my property to someone who needs my labor to produce their goods so they can sell them for a profit. I have to do this in order to obtain a tangible medium of exchange to sustain my life and my families. Now enter the fork in the road. My paycheck arrives. I demand lawful money of the United States, sign it and present it to the bank for payment. The (income) incoming transfer is then payed in money issued directly by the US Treasury either in the form of current coin or intangible USN's. Bank credit is transferred to the treasury and the treasury issues the bank lawful money of the United States. The debt is discharged. Your intangible property has been converted to a tangible medium of exchange issued directly by the treasury (NOT A TAXABLE event as this is a duty of the government). The Treasury can then use the bank credit it received to collapse some national debt or spend it out again.

      The other method as I said is handled entirely within the banking system. Congress has the power to regulate (restrain/tax) the circulation AS MONEY of any NOTES not issued under its own authority. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...us/75/533.html

      I define income as: incoming transfer

      Using bank credit as your medium of exchange turns what would be a direct tax into an income duty on the contract (check) because you did not use the medium of exchange provided by congress.

      FR credit/notes are issued under the authority of the federal reserve board. NOT congress, they just charted them by the authority given to them via McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316

      FWIW in my view......

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      • osbogosley
        Member
        • Mar 2011
        • 57

        #18
        I always redeem lawful money and have been before I ever heard of Savings to suitors. Levi Philos wrote something I Read about 6 or 7 years ago.
        The owner of the property I am restoring recently sent the IRS a 1099 without a ss # as I don't have one. I'm waiting to see if anything shows up in the box addressed to the name they want me to call myself. I haven't heard from them in 10 years or so. I quit filing 20 years ago. If anything ever comes addressed to the registered name it will be marked Deceased, return to sender".

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        • Michael Joseph
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 1596

          #19
          Originally posted by osbogosley View Post
          I always redeem lawful money and have been before I ever heard of Savings to suitors. Levi Philos wrote something I Read about 6 or 7 years ago.
          The owner of the property I am restoring recently sent the IRS a 1099 without a ss # as I don't have one. I'm waiting to see if anything shows up in the box addressed to the name they want me to call myself. I haven't heard from them in 10 years or so. I quit filing 20 years ago. If anything ever comes addressed to the registered name it will be marked Deceased, return to sender".
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          • osbogosley
            Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 57

            #20
            I find my truth in observations of nature. A raindrop in free fall knows that it is water. A man in his separation suspects he is something else.

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            • Casper
              Member
              • Jul 2014
              • 62

              #21
              When you use the SOP of society and sign the check and deposit it into the bank. They are essentially negotiating the check on your behalf for bank credit or federal reserve credit/notes. At no time did they discharge the debt via the treasury. The whole progression of events was handled via the banking system. THIS is the taxable event...not your work or labor or service or employment. That would be slavery.
              This applies when you are a "resident" and "U.S. person" on your bank application and evidenced by your interstate commerce "operator license" for use within "this state" (federal zone) you voluntarily provided. You also agreed to abide by Title 26 on your bank contract.

              Plenty of nationals around here have checking accounts as non-resident, non U.S. persons, with no such taxable event even without any redeeming. So what really is the "taxable event"? Is it the fact the income is effectively connected to a trade or business (holding a public office) within the United States (District) as federal personnel (SS#) while using FRN's as an agent?

              A Guatamalan national has worked here for my father for 32 years, since she first came over as a refugee illegal alien. She has never made an election to be treated as a citizen of the United States to hold that public office (file a 1040), and has never been hassled. She lives better than most "residents". She pays all lawful taxes for her status, sales tax, alcohol, tobacco, gas, etc. Really smart lady. There are whole communities set up here that cater to her status as a non-resident.
              Last edited by Casper; 08-16-14, 04:25 PM.

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              • Jethro
                Member
                • Apr 2011
                • 87

                #22
                Originally posted by Michael Joseph View Post
                12 years ago in my zeal to be right, I remember demanding a SSN from a lady who provided some nanny services for my family. She would not give me one. I actually called the IRS to see if I could get her SSN from them. Looking back I think to myself HOW ABSURD I was in those days. Nevertheless, the IRS agent informed me that if I could not get a SSN I was still required to report the transaction and I could still use that transaction as a deduction on the return.
                Very interesting admission they provided you, MJ! So when the payee refuses or cannot provide a SSN to a payor, the payor (taxpayer) must still report, although the "benefit" of reporting is for the payor, but with presumably no liability to the payee.

                Did you ever "backup withhold" on a payee who did not provide a SSN?

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                • Jethro
                  Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 87

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Casper View Post
                  Jethro, I can only speak for myself since I know what my status is. My heritage traces back to the early 1600s in one of the original colonies, said ancestors became landholders in 1640. They predated our nations Organic Laws and were the original Constitutional Citizens, and especially they predated the 14th Amendment citizenship. As a natural-born of a state of the Union, at some point I voluntarily made the election to be treated as a US citizen for tax purposes (a privilege), around the age of 16. Which was when I also was told of my need for applying for a SS#, which I later discovered I was not even eligible for since the 50 states are not included in the 1935 Social Security Act [Section 1101(a)(1) and 1101(a)(2)] codified at 42 USC 1301(a)(1) and 1301(a)(2). I also discovered the SS Act was for a "person" defined in the Social Security Act at Section 1101(a)(3) and (a)(4). I have seen no evidence that I am such a said "person". It was never explained to me that I had other options.

                  I recently had to resign that trustee relationship due to my religious objections, and so unfortunately I was no longer eligible to hold a "public office". So I revoked the original election to be treated as a US citizen for tax purposes by an Affidavit to the appropriate parties. Sadly, I no longer have the privilege to file. However, as I stated earlier, there are plenty of other foreign nationals that live and work here and are doing just fine. The fedgov seems to roll out the red carpet for them, and respects their rights more than mere "residents". I have learned much from them. If someone asks me for a 1099 form to be filed, I just use the appropriate form for a foreign national (without the United States). A SS# is not required to live and work in the United States. The 1099 is a tax class 5 doc, and is not evidence of a tax liability, nor would it change my status. It is not even signed, much less a jurat. Showing the person who remunerates you for your labor copies of your revocation, the certain laws passed by Congress, and the correct forms, should suffice. A payor cannot deem you a US citizen/"public officer". FYI, read the passport application form DS-11 for the 2 passport options citizens/nationals and research which option is appropriate for you.

                  If you are a US citizen, employed within the United States, in that public office, I recommend you return for your privilege. Redeeming lawful money is an interesting option.
                  Thanks for the reply, Casper, though my question is -- what to do when, given one has done everything you have done, a payor ignores or disregards it and issues you 1099's anyway? (And then IRS uses those 1099's to create liabilities for you). I'm interested in hearing about theories as to what remedies are available to us.

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                  • Michael Joseph
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 1596

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Jethro View Post

                    Did you ever "backup withhold" on a payee who did not provide a SSN?
                    No I never have.
                    Last edited by Michael Joseph; 08-17-14, 11:25 AM.
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                    • Casper
                      Member
                      • Jul 2014
                      • 62

                      #25
                      Jethro, the law is that "income not effectively connected to a trade or business [public office] within the United States Government is not subject to any tax under Subtitle A of the tax code." That quote comes directly from a letter from Trust #62 on their own letterhead, dated December 1995 in the Philadelphia office, from a Disclosure Officer. I downloaded that from SEDM.org. I have dozens of those types of letters. Even if the payor files a 1099 in error, it could not "create" a liability if you do not meet those requirements. The paperwork you provide will prevent this issue. You revoking that initial election IS the remedy that Congress gave you. If you go this path, don't ever fill out a W-4 or file a 1040 or else you will be treated that way again. Use the forms for a foreign national. Private sector companies hire foreign nationals all the time and are familiar with that paperwork.

                      The letter also stated "the tax code is not positive law, it is "special law". It applies to "persons" in the United States [federal zone] who choose to make themselves subject to the requirements of the special laws in the Internal Revenue Code by entering in to an employment agreement within the U.S. government." ["Internal" being municipal laws of the government in DC., and employment agreement being a "W-4" Application]

                      Lots of resources here including Michael L. White letter: http://www.weissparis.com/resource.html
                      Also here: http://www.weissparis.com/july4.html
                      The implementing regulation for Title 26 was never published in the Federal Register, so it is not for without the United States [50 states united]. A law does not have to be positive law or published in the Federal Register for within the United States [DC and territories]. For example the NDAA, Patriot Act, Obamacare were never published in the Federal Register for the people out in the 50 states. Unless by your agreements, you voluntarily opted in and consented to be governed by it. Federal means by agreement. That can be between fed and state, or fed and you. I choose not to contract with them.
                      Last edited by Casper; 08-18-14, 03:24 AM.

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                      • Jethro
                        Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 87

                        #26
                        Thanks for the response, Casper, and I fully understand and agree with your position. But I still go back to my original question -- what if ALL of that (i.e. revocation of election, etc.) is ignored? What if one is treated as a "person" with "income effectively connected to a trade or business" when in fact, one is not? What if one's property is taken? What remedies are available to us? (I have some thoughts, but I'm interested in hearing yours and others' ideas).

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                        • Casper
                          Member
                          • Jul 2014
                          • 62

                          #27
                          Well, DC has already implemented all 10 planks of communism, we are now in a police state, so there are no guarantees Trust #62 in Puerto RICO will abide by law. That is all you can do, is correct your status, abide by law and save your evidence. If they break their own laws and are lawless, then we truly are in trouble. Redeeming is always a good option no matter what path you choose. This guy uses a 6203 demand: http://www.pauljjhansen.com/?cat=108

                          Do not argue merits as that may imply jurisdiction in their eyes. Get them to prove everything. They can not.
                          Last edited by Casper; 08-18-14, 04:58 AM.

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                          • Chex
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 1032

                            #28
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                            • Chex
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2011
                              • 1032

                              #29
                              Paul John Hansen really has things going on.

                              Property tax: This is the second case where people walked away from the case, per instruction by their attorney, and I paid no property tax. Currently doing 6 others with the same process. http://freeinhabitant.info/pay-no-pr...operty-tax.htm

                              PROPERTY TAX.ORDER DENYING PLAINTIFF'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20ORCO%2020121212581

                              Paychecks. Your employer is only acting upon a suggestion from an IRS employee, he is acting without Law, without a Court Order, Judgment, or Warrant, your employer is involved in conveyance of your property without authority and is 100% liable. http://www.pauljjhansen.com/?p=391#comment-172412

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                              Last edited by Chex; 08-18-14, 03:38 PM.
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                              • Casper
                                Member
                                • Jul 2014
                                • 62

                                #30
                                I found Paul's site a couple months ago and read all his stuff. Emailed him a couple times. Good guy who is a doer. He has some good mp3 recorded radio interviews (2 hrs each) you may enjoy about the way he lives his life. I have learned a thing or two from him. He has a great grasp of jurisdiction and seems to be knowledgable in Ed Rivera and Paul Andrew Mitchell's work. I think I recall him recently saying he owns 28 properties and hasn't paid property tax in years, he had them moved to the other side of the ledger.


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