Property Taxes and 31 USC 3124

[salsero]

[EZrhythm]

It is known that they can't apply the property tax to land declared as "private property". So then the deception is to have property owners register the property as "residence" or "commercial" etc. Hence the option to issue Notice declaring one's land as "private property".

[shikamaru]

It is known that they can't apply the property tax to land declared as "private property". So then the deception is to have property owners register the property as "residence" or "commercial" etc. Hence the option to issue Notice declaring one's land as "private property".

There was a thread on another forum that talked about judges having financial incentive (e.g. judges retirement fund) to rule against people seeking to privatize the usage of their vehicular conveyances.

Might the same aforementioned scenario be the case with governments and private land property?

[salsero]

Thank you EZ - however, the property that I am in is a condo unit. The purpose of going the route under 31 USC 3124 SHOULD, in theory stop the actual assessment dead in its tracks by operation of THEIR law. They can not use a value that is based upon FRNs to compute a tax at a state or it political subdivision. The property assessment valuation is based upon purchases of homes with presumptive FRNs.

Based on the HOA covenants I do not see being able to declare the property as private. thanks

[pumpkin]

Salsero, I've been fighting the property tax for some time now. You must always keep in mind, if the judge is corrupt, a liar, or a thief, you will not win, no matter the truth. What I have found is (at least here), they use in rem actions against the property. This is done obviously to avoid the man and his rights. However, in rem actions still require jurisdiction. Here (Indiana) they do not fulfill what is required for in rem jurisdiction, which is either a summons upon the person (the, or a owner) or by publications with an affidavit stating the owner cannot be found. So what is produced is a void judgment without jurisdiction. I attempted the injunction route, and they misquoted the rules of court against me, so if they will do that, justice is not their purpose. I am confident I should prevail, but I am not confident that I will. But I do thank God for the greater judgment.

[allodial]

Thank you EZ - however, the property that I am in is a condo unit. The purpose of going the route under 31 USC 3124 SHOULD, in theory stop the actual assessment dead in its tracks by operation of THEIR law. They can not use a value that is based upon FRNs to compute a tax at a state or it political subdivision. The property assessment valuation is based upon purchases of homes with presumptive FRNs.

Based on the HOA covenants I do not see being able to declare the property as private. thanks

The AARP has started getting active in taking action to protect the retired from adversely exploitive HOAs and HOA agreements. Some of the worst ever agreements or contracts I have seen are HOA agreements as in horrid as to the terms of the agreement. They want you to pay $5M for a house and sign a contract that allows some cabal of a board of directors that monopolizes the democratic process of a community to make all of the decisions (the householders hardly have any say). Most of the agreements embody utter disdain for property rights and rights to privacy. Imagine you put $45M into building a skyscraper, then sucker everyone into paying rent to your HOA by sigining an agreement that allows them to lien your property and put you out even after you have paid even for the smallest thing of having a pet rabbit (and yes I have seen 'pet rabbit clauses'). Of course, the HOA would find those who have paid for their properties the best target because otherwise they'd have to fight with a bank for condos with mortgages not paid off (i.e. liening and auctioning off property with a bank lien on it isn't as attractive but seniors who paid bought with cash ...). But most HOA contracts I've seen are designed to leave the owner exposed and force them into privity with statutory corporations. IMHO ownership of the commons should always be separable from ownership of the dwelling.

Most HOA agreements I have seen amount to total con jobs.

1. Bubba takes 100 of his 200 acres and allows building of homes under an HOA
2. Bubba, being the first HOA-er sets the terms and stocks the board and picks the management (all family and friends but shhh)
3. Newcomers see the beautiful development and plop down $2M+ per house but the terms if you really look at them say you don't own jack.
4. Bubba and company see a few people bought their house with cash, so they frequently send the HOA Nazis to pester them about "You have violated the rule against growing yellow flowers in visible view. Nevermind the fact that no one can see your house for all of the trees and we had to climb over your fence so we can inspect your property. But we have fined you and since you were on vacation and you didn't read our notice we went ahead and placed a lien on your property."
5. Bubba and company have made an easy way to take their land back, raise the value of their property because of comparable values of the 'plebe' HOA members, collect annual rent in the form of HOA fees and terrorize people selectively under the guise of "HOA" akin to a municipality that doesn't want to give any services but only wants the power to harass and fine.
6. Bubba and company want keys to your house so they can 'inspect' they can plant drugs or anything in your house, they can steal, they can harass you--but you do not know these people and might have zero control over them.
7. Typically the areas are the same areas that had race restrictions (i.e. you can move in but if they don't want you there they will fine the piss out of you until you leave.)

One recent HOA agreement I was given to review had a clause where the original owners put in as a running covenant a grant of an unrestricted an easement to local law enforcement and utility companies--not only to the common areas but to the individual units! Do you think Bubba's 100 acres he kept to himself are subject to that easement. Let's ask Bubba:



And the houses are priced at around $3M and up! It has many rules against painting or modifying the houses. However, the area is so wooded you can't even see the homes from the roads! Therefore, they the HOA terms is that the HOA and the Board always have right to enter upon your property to "inspect".

There are a sparse few HOA agreements that I have seen that were actually reasonable. I'd say 1 out of 95 are even somewhat non-fascist. Keep in mind that it is possible to simply sign an HOA agreements and C&R document with reservations and attach the reservations to the HOA agreement and CC&R. I would be sure to serve the reservations properly with a certificate of service and file the reservations with the certificate of service along with the signature page of the HOA and C&R documents in a county or U.S. district court case jacket.

[salsero]

Salsero, I've been fighting the property tax for some time now. You must always keep in mind, if the judge is corrupt, a liar, or a thief, you will not win, no matter the truth. What I have found is (at least here), they use in rem actions against the property. This is done obviously to avoid the man and his rights. However, in rem actions still require jurisdiction. Here (Indiana) they do not fulfill what is required for in rem jurisdiction, which is either a summons upon the person (the, or a owner) or by publications with an affidavit stating the owner cannot be found. So what is produced is a void judgment without jurisdiction. I attempted the injunction route, and they misquoted the rules of court against me, so if they will do that, justice is not their purpose. I am confident I should prevail, but I am not confident that I will. But I do thank God for the greater judgment.

I agree with you pumpkin that you will not prevail in their private bankrupt tribunal military court system.

The question posed has to do with federal law. Not my law, but their law that THEY, as officials of the public trust must adhere to by oath of office. I am guessing that all property taxes throughout the US are based upon property values assessed at market value. How is this market value obtained?

I am of the opinion that ALL property is owned by the state. I have been left spoliated or naked. I should not even be discharging the state's obligations. I did this exercise with the property appraiser because I want to demonstrate damages to me personally, as the public official refuse to follow their own laws.

[salsero]

[QUOTE=allodial;19206]The AARP has started getting active in taking action to protect the retired from adversely exploitive HOAs and HOA agreements. Some of the worst ever agreements or contracts I have seen are HOA agreements as in horrid as to the terms of the agreement.

First I want to clarify a few things. As far as claiming the condo apartment as mine, it is on shared land. I do not see that as "viable". Second, we are talking around $1000 in property taxes. We are not talking about much here. Third, I certainly did not expect the property appraiser to roll over and say, YOU ARE RIGHT. Property now exempt.

My second comment is to provide a different point of view of HOAs. I am on the board of this HOA and I can state and also prove how well run this one is. Financially, we can not be any better. Maintenance wise we are in very good shape. This was not the case 5 years ago before our group took over. The financial condition was so bad and the previous board was most corrupt, it required attorneys to get them out. HOAs serve a purpose, though I am not defending them. IF one desires to live inexpensively AND the HOA is run well, it is a win win. I can say the same thing about government. If the people are honest in government and people want to abide by certain guidelines subject to certain duties, it really is not a big deal. WE DO HAVE NATURAL LAW ON PLANET EARTH, WHERE WE DO NOT NEED TO HAVE WRITTEN ON PAPER THE GOLDEN RULE. The issue is UNREASONABLENESS. We have a system in place now that has the federal reserve system in place. Putting that issue to the side. Many do not have an issue "paying taxes, etc" as we believe that that provides for the good for the people. We know that is not the case. Paying for anything only provides personal profit and gain for a group of bankers and their henchmen. But most people being reasonable BELEIVE OUR MONEY [lol] is ours. Legally we know this is not the case. The government officials are no different than condo commando board, just at a higher level. Until we change the consciousness of the people, nothing is going to change.

My overall point, maybe not well stated, is that whether HOA, government or Universal Law, we all have rules to live by. We can not think of just ourselves but must look at others as well. It is about WE not me. It does not mean, I exclude myself. It just means I attempt to live in harmony with others. pulling the engine from my car and leaving it in the driveway so everyone can see oil and engine all over is probably not the best place to fix a car. In the same manner, I should not have to listen to my neighbors playing loud music after 10 PM, and further still WE, as a people should not be subject to public officials knowingly breaking the law or bringing harm to the public in any way. Public official hold a position of trust.

[pumpkin]

"I am of the opinion that ALL property is owned by the state. I have been left spoliated or naked. I should not even be discharging the state's obligations. I did this exercise with the property appraiser because I want to demonstrate damages to me personally, as the public official refuse to follow their own laws."

If they do not follow the simple natural law that the created serves the creator (government serves the people), then there is no law they will abide by. They are only liars and thieves.



Also, concerning HOAs. I have always wondered if they ever come to the court with an injury in fact, you know, to invoke jurisdiction of the court. Sure the agreement gets into equity, but equity without the jurisdiction of the court doesn't do much.

[salsero]

Yes, I am truly beginning to sense there is no law, just guns and threats. I am saddened by this NOT so much of the actual appearance of it but more so for the fact - Life is Short and WE ALL can have life and have it abundantly YET some people BELEIVE they have some CLAIM to own shit including people and make a false profit on it as well. Really stupid, if you ask me.

OK - some quick info on HOAs. HOA's similar to government have basically similar issues. If people are reasonable, it is HIGHLY likely the HOA board will be reasonable no more or less if the citizens are reasonable why would government administration be so corrupt. THEY ARE A REFELCTION BACK TO US. We make choices. If there was no violence or greed, what purpose would there be for attorneys or cops, or better yet politicians? To say - well this is life, may be a minor truth - BUT WE STILL MAKE CHOICES. No one forces us to act or be greedy or belligerent. Corruption lies in the hearts of the amerrikan people otherwise, Nancy, Hillary, Bill, Barry, Harry, George, Dick, Maxine and Debbie Wasserman could not be in the position they are in. Think about it.

Like government, HOAs CAN offer benefit to those that are WILLING to give AND take. Planet earth operates in duality. We know good through knowing bad. However, it is not written we HAVE no option to be Good. Some people REFUSE to give and only want to take. This is where the problem lies for both HOAs and government. I am willing to surrender and release everything back to the principal but it refuses to talk to me.

And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. DOI

Regardless of admiralty, common law, or equity, if someone is reasonable, I see MOSTLY reasonable being mirrored back. I am most proud of my accomplishments here at the condo and it really is a nice place to live; however, we do have challenges living here who have clearly mental issues going on that I can not fix nor care to.

I was hoping to have more solid info on this matter of FRNs as US currency/US dollars. I went to treasury website but that offered a hint of what I was looking for. I am looking for a solid response to the property appraiser without any wiggle room.

[Michael Joseph]

HOA Boards get their teeth thru a deed of trust. Novation is the key. A big X over the terms speaking to the HOA and voilla no more HOA.

[Jethro]

I did receive a letter from the attorney for the county stating the authority comes from the statute.

[Michael Joseph]

A numbered name is the property of the one who established the name and numbered it. The name/number reflects and account and at all times man and woman are without that account but may grant into that account upon certain uses established by law. The administration of said account is what is truly being discussed. For statutes establish liabilities upon those who might act as fiduciary - in guardianship, trusteeship, executorship, etc, etc.

Thusly TRUST must be established. Either by implied deed or express deed. Or perhaps upon mis-deed. For Divine Law requires "Thou shall not steal".

And consider that an attorney practices within a certain law boundary [ies] upon which the Settlors grant license to make the use of practice of the special law.

[salsero]

[salsero]

Response from property appraiser's in house attorney.

Mr. XXXX

This letter will serve as a response to you letter dated XXX. The property appraiser complies with statute XXXX. The millage rates come from .... [nothing which I asked]

A certified copy of YOUR property tax notice is enclosed. [again nothing that I asked for] The one dollar enclosed in your letter was applied to the certificate fee.

Sincerely, Attorney