I am some dude latest recording Boris and usufruct

[Gavilan]

http://iamsomedude.com/audio/boris_talkshoe.mp3

Very good recording, he explains how he came about understanding the system.

[george]

hi Gavilan,

5 hours! Im hearing methods from everyone, David Merril, Karl Lentz, Jona Bey, Curt Kallenbach and more all mixed in together and lots of new stuff too. the court clerks assistant had lots of info too. this is a good one indeed.

thanks for posting

[walter]

hi Gavilan,

5 hours! Im hearing methods from everyone, David Merril, Karl Lentz, Jona Bey, Curt Kallenbach and more all mixed in together and lots of new stuff too. the court clerks assistant had lots of info too. this is a good one indeed.

thanks for posting

Don't follow Jona Bey direction. Many error and omissions.

It comes down to two issues always.
Don't claim their NAME and let them do what they want with it. (David Merril way)
Or claim the NAME and hold then liable on using it. (Boris way)

[walter]

http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/presidents/thomas-jefferson/letters-of-thomas-jefferson/jefl81.php

To James Madison Paris, Sep. 6, 1789

""that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living;" that the dead have neither powers nor rights over it. "

[Michael Joseph]

http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/presidents...son/jefl81.php

To James Madison Paris, Sep. 6, 1789

""that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living;" that the dead have neither powers nor rights over it. "

If the Earth belongs in usufruct to the living then whose property is the Earth? And who then has the right to make its use in enjoyment? Who has the power to Lease the Use? And how and where is the evidence of said lease? Who let the use to the trustee?

[george]

Don't follow Jona Bey direction. Many error and omissions.

It comes down to two issues always.
Don't claim their NAME and let them do what they want with it. (David Merril way)
Or claim the NAME and hold then liable on using it. (Boris way)

hi walter,
not aware of errors but the omissions he does so that he can charge consultation fees. doesnt seem to honorable IMO.

the two issues about claiming the name or not is what Im looking more into now. Im some what familiar with how David's method works since he has showed us so much about that and how he has made it work for him so now I will be trying to verify and confirm how making a claim to the name works.

If the Earth belongs in usufruct to the living then whose property is the Earth? And who then has the right to make its use in enjoyment? Who has the power to Lease the Use? And how and where is the evidence of said lease? Who let the use to the trustee?

hi Michael Joseph,
difficult questions.. property? I think it was shakumra who pointed out here that the origin of property is in religion which seems to makes a lot of sense. then theres Karl Lent'z thoughts on it in which he says property is what is proper to a man, that makes sense too. and IIRC you have said/wrote that property is interest in an estate, no?

it seems to relate to ownership in some way though and that (ownership) seems to be the root of many if not all of our problems but I dont see any other way we can coexist here without boundaries (property) but Im trying.

whos property is the earth? I cant imagine but Im pretty sure it is not mine or any other mans so that leaves us with it is not a property at all, no? I suppose it could be a god or gods property but there seems to be no way to verify that either.

without comprehending exactly what property is or is not then none of this makes sense.


FWIW I found this site after hearing a mention of it in the OP's link.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...=137688&cmd=tc

seems that it is the former court clerks (not assistant as I previously posted) site but Ive found it to be very good.

thanks

[walter]

If the Earth belongs in usufruct to the living then whose property is the Earth? And who then has the right to make its use in enjoyment? Who has the power to Lease the Use? And how and where is the evidence of said lease? Who let the use to the trustee?

The governments are the naked owner holding it for the creator in usufruct.
The evidence is the Birth Record.
We are held in a federal territory because we have not formulated our own government to be a part of the territory. = Belligerent. An infant of the state.

And George, Jona Bey's way if you walk through it leaves one stateless. A position nobody wants to be in if you understand the implication of it. Judicial rights are the only ones that apply to a stateless person. Those rights can be removed by the state at anytime. If done then Guantanamo Bay is your retirement home.

I like the line form the interview that states that Satan is an accountant and was given the kingdom of earth legal system to rule over.

[Michael Joseph]

The governments are the naked owner holding it for the creator in usufruct.
The evidence is the Birth Record.
We are held in a federal territory because we have not formulated our own government to be a part of the territory. = Belligerent. An infant of the state.

And George, Jona Bey's way if you walk through it leaves one stateless. A position nobody wants to be in if you understand the implication of it. Judicial rights are the only ones that apply to a stateless person. Those rights can be removed by the state at anytime. If done then Guantanamo Bay is your retirement home.

I like the line form the interview that states that Satan is an accountant and was given the kingdom of earth legal system to rule over.

I am not asking to chide or belittle. Who is the Creator?

The concept of Usufruct makes sense only AFTER the origin of perfected claim. So then again, how did the Usufruct come to be? For usufruct means the Right to Enjoy Property vested in another.

Consider that Satan is called an Adversary. But notice that in the Court the State is both beneficiary and administration. This is perfectly fine at Trust law. But again who was the Original Grantor who made the Grant allowing the Vineyard to be Administrated.

One will say it is God that grants. And they will use their Holy Books to externalize their grant. The same Holy Book says "I travail in birth pains again until Christ be formed in you." The government is upon the Shoulder of Christ - Isaiah 9:6. So the D.A. is the Adversary accusing the brethren before the Court. So again I ask who is the original grantor? Is there evidence of the Grant? Perhaps Gamaliel had it right the evidence is long common usage - but what if men have fallen asleep and are grossly ignorant?

Act 5:34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;

Act 5:35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.

Act 5:36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.

Act 5:37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.

Act 5:38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:

Act 5:39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.


Have you studied Unam Sanctum? How about the three Testamentary Trusts which were granted out of that claim? The leaves on the tree are of little significance. What matters are its roots! For in the Winter months the tree remains alive only by its roots!


Son 8:1 O that thou wert as my brother, that sucked the breasts of my mother! when I should find thee without, I would kiss thee; yea, I should not be despised.

Son 8:2 I would lead thee, and bring thee into my mother's house, who would instruct me: I would cause thee to drink of spiced wine of the juice of my pomegranate.

Pro 31:1 The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.

Pro 31:2 What, my son? and what, the son of my womb? and what, the son of my vows?

The Carnal Mind is also called the Adversary. Who will recompense God? Are some so bold as to say they will REPAY or REQUITE God?

Deu 32:6 Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?

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God Is - use your intellect to answer what God is and you immediately identify with a falsity! See how philosophy and religion strain at a gnat over trying to comprehend the limitless and as such they seek EARTHLY explanations - which serve the carnal aspect. And the Heavenly House remains desolate. Go to the ANT which has little intelligence and yet it builds incredible cities! Look at a mother dog who has no degree in medicine and yet when she gives birth she knows exactly what to do to secure the new pups. Whereof does this knowledge flow and whereof is its well spring?

If Mammon is God, then man will make a use of Spiritual Books to justify his/her philosophy. And in doing so man justifies his/her jailors. What is lower cannot understand what is higher for Pilate said to Jesus "what is truth". So now what are the true riches? They certainly are not those which are tools to satiate the flesh body.

Whereof is the House of Christ and whereof is Jesus? Is not Jesus you and I. Who is Judas? Is there not an aspect of you and I which was beguiled by a system whereof we betrayed what truly matters. Are you ready to throw those 30 pieces of silver at their feet? And now are you ready to hang yourself about your neck? For carnalty has been the jailor which has ruled the Mind. And those who are steeped in knowledge know how to manipulate those who lack it. Notice how the religious whipped Jesus about the back? Ever thought why? It is so that Christ may not be formed IN YOU.

These cut you off from the 7 seals on the BACK SIDE of the Book [the Word]. Thusly you know little about the Chakras and the Electro/Magnetic system of Energy that you are. As such two Cherubim [Cerebrum] are placed at the headship of the Garden to bar the way back into the Garden. Thought causes electrical impulse. Thusly we see these are equipped with a fiery sword.

Noah was drunk in his tent on the NEW WINE. And if you have been following Ham came in and cut his nuts off! Did he really? Or perhaps, Ham attempted to plow the field with another man's heifer! One will say - no haven't you read - he had sex with his mother! Exactly. Noah's wife is his HEART - his subconscious mind. Be careful how you allow others to plant seed in your garden.

What if this Holy precious moment is lost chasing a fleeting bird called lust? Can lust ever be satisfied? Can she have enough money? Can she gain enough stuff? See how she allures the mind? What of the mind which runs after her? Does he not go down into the grave of hell? Can this mind ever be satisfied? I think not. Who will tell this mind that he is correct! Whereof shall this mind be justified? Will other greedy men grant justification? Can you just imagine - "Yep you figured us out - you got us." Enter WAR stage left.

Does a prudent mind place trust in men who show themselves to be untrustworthy? Does a big system of rules prove one to be trustworthy? The answer is plain - is my name on the piece of paper? Is my image upon it? The latter may be true if I have pledged myself then I IDENTIFY with that system and in doing so I have lent my consciousness to observe the wave function and thus the wave becomes photon. The observer influences the experiment. What is expected is what happens. Just ask Pauli and Heisenberg.

Consider now RELIGION which does not believe that the Kingdom of God is AT HAND. For these Christ is something that one gets once one dies. Thusly in this system these are double minded. For at once they say Jesus paid for their Sins - but then they say we can't have redemption until we pass over Jordan. Therefore they VALUE DEATH. Debt = Death. And as such their system of exchange is in Death.

In the States there exists a REGISTRAR of DEEDS. The Registrar has a VAULT whereof the records are stored. This is synonymous to a tomb. Within the brain is a Vault which is connected electrically to the Pineal Gland. When the pineal gland activates an electrical signal is sent to the FORNIX whereof the white stone is rolled away. Now then, do you now see that God is GOLD in the Scriptures and that the 4 Rivers spoken of in the Book of Genesis are the 4 Winds. See what they did? They the same ones one is looking to for justification took God and placed him in a Golden Box! A vault. The Word was put on trail, whipped, and killed - placed in a rich man's tomb [carnal kings].

The answer lies in you. Intellect cannot solve this concern. It has not yet and it will not in the future. When men begin to see that it is CONSCIOUSNESS that is valuable, then oppression can cease and we can begin our upward ascension back to the Golden Age.

If Christ be the debtor then indeed who are the Creditors? And who will repay Christ? Remember Deut 32:6?


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Have you planted a Vineyard and become CONSCIOUS? Those who would rely upon a MONIKER do so to their peril. Do everything in the name of Jesus Christ does not mean to speak that name it means to operate in the WAY established and taught by Christ Jesus. And before the external house can be put into order FIRST the internal house must be put into order. Otherwise all that will continue to happen is homosexual deeds performed by the Mind on behalf of the Flesh. And the Emotion rages on dissatisfied always - for there will always remain one who is smarter, richer, or with more substance in possession.

If all one sees is the external then one indeed is in deep poverty.

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Hymn 43

If Jesus saves
Well, he'd better save Himself
From the gory glory seekers who use His name in death.
Oh Jesus save me!

Cross Eyed Mary

Cross-eyed Mary goes jumping in again.
She signs no contract
but she always plays the game.
Dines in Hampstead village
on expense accounted gruel,
and the jack-knife barber drops her off at school.

[Gavilan]

It's odd, one day you are fighting to be rich. Then another day you wake up and see that even after having everything your heart desires, you are still locked up on this earth. Death becames nothing more than a transitory event into a further void, no fear no joy.

Cruel joke of existence, was he or she lonely from being one of one? Shattered Itself into infinite pieces just to begin again?

It's all a lie that's true, it's true that's all a lie.

In simple words, one is master the other slave. If only two people were to inhabit the earth at one time how long would harmony last? Before one became master and the other slave?

[Michael Joseph]

It's odd, one day you are fighting to be rich. Then another day you wake up and see that even after having everything your heart desires, you are still locked up on this earth. Death becames nothing more than a transitory event into a further void, no fear no joy.

Cruel joke of existence, was he or she lonely from being one of one? Shattered Itself into infinite pieces just to begin again?

It's all a lie that's true, it's true that's all a lie.

In simple words, one is master the other slave. If only two people were to inhabit the earth at one time how long would harmony last? Before one became master and the other slave?

The desire - mind is a Beast. She is the GREAT WHORE of CONFUSION [Babylon]. Her intercourse with the fleshly carnal mind only births children of desolation. Thusly you are correct it seems vanity and vanity and all is vanity.

Ecc 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

Ecc 4:13 Better is a poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king, who will no more be admonished.
Ecc 4:14 For out of prison he cometh to reign; whereas also he that is born in his kingdom becometh poor.

Ecc 5:9 Moreover the profit of the earth is for all: the king himself is served by the field.

Ecc 5:10 He that loveth silver shall not be satisfied with silver; nor he that loveth abundance with increase: this is also vanity.

Ecc 5:11 When goods increase, they are increased that eat them: and what good is there to the owners thereof, saving the beholding of them with their eyes?

Ecc 5:12 The sleep of a labouring man is sweet, whether he eat little or much: but the abundance of the rich will not suffer him to sleep.

Ecc 5:13 There is a sore evil which I have seen under the sun, namely, riches kept for the owners thereof to their hurt.


The KING HIMSELF is served by the field. Christ is manifest WITHIN. For what causes compel the creation? Answer that one and you will know the womb that births the Usufruct.

[george]

MJ, you dont like to discuss property definition?

[allodial]

""that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living;" that the dead have neither powers nor rights over it. "

'earth' can be synonymous with 'soil' or 'estate'. The earth (land) coming from a president of the United States means the territory/estate of the United States. The United States neither created itself nor owns itself. Additionally, the United states neither created themselves* nor own themselves.

If the Earth belongs in usufruct to the living then whose property is the Earth? And who then has the right to make its use in enjoyment? Who has the power to Lease the Use? And how and where is the evidence of said lease? Who let the use to the trustee?

Pedis possessio. See: Standing upon the Land (ecclesia.org). Corporations do not have organic pedis possessio. That is why they need people to voluntarily register land (or claims to land) into municipal jurisdiction.

Consider that Satan is called an Adversary. But notice that in the Court the State is both beneficiary and administration. This is perfectly fine at Trust law. But again who was the Original Grantor who made the Grant allowing the Vineyard to be Administrated.

A trustee of one trust can be beneficiary of another trust no doubt. But, what is your basis for asserting the the State to be both beneficiary and administration? Typically the State (an estate) and its officers, etc. are trustees and the executive department aka "the Government" is administration (i.e. the Government of the United States==the executive). An officer of the court is not necessarily an officer of the state. The State neither created itself nor owns itself.

It's odd, one day you are fighting to be rich. Then another day you wake up and see that even after having everything your heart desires, you are still locked up on this earth. Death becames nothing more than a transitory event into a further void, no fear no joy.

Cruel joke of existence, was he or she lonely from being one of one? Shattered Itself into infinite pieces just to begin again?

It's all a lie that's true, it's true that's all a lie.

In simple words, one is master the other slave. If only two people were to inhabit the earth at one time how long would harmony last? Before one became master and the other slave?

One might find that the error in fighting to be rich is that one must first be tricked into identifying with poverty.

Related:
The Close Over and On Your Land

[David Merrill]

MJ, you dont like to discuss property definition?

If I may project for a moment...

e=mc² begs some interesting questions. At University I both intrigued and annoyed the physics staff by explaining Relativity very simply. I also informed them that I had invented a time machine when I was forty - past tense. Here, now, I assume you mean property in physical things.

I quickly noticed that e=mc² is identical in nature to centrifugal force - angular momentum - that holds water in a pail when you swing it in circles. One thing leading to another quickly we find that our conscious memory locates property. Our cellular memory creates that same property, as well as the entire universe.

In other words the double helix, as we invent it by praying to an electron microscope is about the length of the arms span of the Vitruvian Man. Fibonacci prevailing in the Pentagram - 5 - as a transform.

https://youtu.be/s65DSz78jW4?t=391

The Big Leap is to assume that this is true. Once in faith, you see it, then you are the creator, God providing the energy it takes to bend light into tiny electron valence shells. It is within all of us, together, as we are the same for 99.9998% of any single genome in any single nucleus of any particular cell. The ego drives us into a conscious specialization that makes us appear separate and for some divine purpose we create the universe for the simple purpose of remembering our unity.

Once this is truth to you then you begin to wonder when and where you might bother defending that which needs no defense. TRUTH as an Office.

Which I speculate might be why without this post, Michael Joseph will find it more worthwhile of his time to respond to other things in life. My point being that ego-to-ego it is not very worthwhile to shout:


Everywhere you go, everything you see; I own it all so long as You believe You are You, and Me is Me.

What happens from my perspective is that ego is stirred into existence by consciousness and with the truth in my heart, I might be enlightened enough to ponder WHY I am being brought to appear, to defend any special relationship or contract about my ability to use, alter or amend a specific piece of property? WHO am I being compelled to appear in front of (Court)? If it is a voice on the Internet (George) then I can easily understand why Michael Joseph considers the post, and then spends about 1/2 a second deciding where to jockey his mouse next.

This is why it behooves anybody interested in the subject matter here to study at Lawful Money Trust. We might quickly find that the Rules of Court where we are to start formulating usage rights is called Trust Law. Understand how trust law has formed and you might better see clearly that divine laws prevail in any body of law. I know from experience that Michael Joseph prizes older law books about Trust Law and therefore has integrated an understanding of which tenets survive time and which tenets are weak and become altered by the absurdity that debt has value and can be a basis for currency. Guilt converts love into currency by creating a sensation of debt/death/doubt = separateness.

The function of the courts of mammon (district NOT territorial/elastic currency) is sustainable debt. How can you ever own anything if you paid for it with somebody else's (Fed's) private credit?

[Michael Joseph]

A trustee of one trust can be beneficiary of another trust no doubt. But, what is your basis for asserting the the State to be both beneficiary and administration?

Good question. The beneficiary complains to the court and the DA represents the equitable rights that the beneficiary has title to and expects to have bestowed upon. Thusly the D.A. represents the equity in the Public Trust and the Judge Administrates the Trust and the Defendant stands as the Constructive Trustee who is NOT DE-JURE but has been licensed by the De-Jure trustee to perform certain duties and obligations upon such benefits the license bestows. If the duties and obligations are not performed, then the Constructive Trustee is made to pay the Fee by the Sheriff upon the Order of the Judge. The Power of Direction gives Orders.

Thusly equity is restored to the Public Trust. For the Court is female in its nature and it is the moving male nature that places seed in her and she receives and conceives the Common Law to the community at large.

Many times the Grantor of a Trust later takes the office of Beneficiary with the Power of Direction [Management]. This is a typical Land Trust agreement [Illinois Type]. There are many different aspects of Trust. I speak only to the nature of a Court. For clearly a Trustee might come to Court complaining that his Legal Rights have been trespassed and one will say "See you have it wrong MJ". To that end, I would frame the argument more clearly - I speak not to the players and their disputes - I speak to the offices of the Court. For the complaining Trustee is Plaintiff seeking remedy and relief from those who have the Administration of the Trust Law Boundary. Thusly the complaining party is Beneficiary seeking the Beneficial remedy of which the Administration can give or may not be able to give 12(b)(6).

Regarding Property - I have written at length in these Forums - One might consider Trust 101 or some such other posts found herein. Property is the subject of which Usufruct acts but there cannot be Usufruct absent Property; however Property may exist absent Usufruct.

george regarding Property - Lets first study Reproducible Mathematics - Sets and Subsets as it were.

Best Regards,
MJ

[george]

David, i dont understand "TRUTH as an Office", ive read you say "CHRIST as an Office" here before so i think you must mean this same concept and the two are interchangeable?

truth is to me simply, what is true. true, from my comprehension is something in alignment. true name? the wheel im working on now is not yet true but i have it on the truing stand and am working on it one spoke at a time. from my experience in truing wheels though, ive found that even after they are trued they still need to be balanced to be perfect. its not easy, i guess you could say that to obtain perfection requires a passion or love.

FWIW, im not only "a voice on the internet" and do consider joining your pay site www.lawfulmoneytrust.com but Im more into open source software myself. actually, ive philosophical issues with closed sources. thanks for clarifying things for me as much as possible under the circumstance anyway.

that youtube vid looks to be worth the time, thanks for sharing it.



MJ, thanks for the link/direction. your previous efforts here seem to be a goldmine and this one is no different. I'll be rereading it also since i may be more able to make something out of it now five years later (has it been that long? wow) this is why I see that www.lawfulmoneytrust.com must have some value and probably invaluable but im still not ready and need to keep brushing up on these type of concepts. I was actually thinking about sending you a PM about a membership last week to see if it could be done with a postal money order. i think ive more work to do before that though.


from that link to this one http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...full=1#post143

Hello, Property is Rights of Use. The Form of Matter is based on Survey it is NOT the object or concept.

rights of use, i remember that now but its still confusing for me. it all is, i struggle with translation.

ownership is the other big one that has me stumped at this time.


thanks again