The concept of representation, people, things.

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  • Gavilan
    Senior Member
    • May 2012
    • 352

    #16
    Amazing!

    I wasn't expecting on finding out my answer so soon, that is, that I suspected only a few are privileged to think in the abstract.

    Here I have come across my answer:


    WHEN confronted with a problem involving the use of the reasoning faculties, individuals of strong intellect keep their poise, and seek to reach a solution by obtaining facts bearing upon the question. Those of immature mentality, on the other hand, when similarly confronted, are overwhelmed. While the former may be qualified to solve the riddle of their own destiny, the latter must be led like a flock of sheep and taught in simple language. They depend almost entirely upon the ministrations of the shepherd. The Apostle Paul said that these little ones must be fed with milk, but that meat is the food of strong men. Thoughtlessness is almost synonymous with childishness, while thoughtfulness is symbolic of maturity.

    There are, however, but few mature minds in the world; and thus it was that the philosophic-religious doctrines of the pagans were divided to meet the needs of these two fundamental groups of human intellect--one philosophic, the other incapable of appreciating the deeper mysteries of life. To the discerning few were revealed the esoteric, or spiritual, teachings, while the unqualified many received only the literal, or exoteric, interpretations. In order to make simple the great truths of Nature and the abstract principles of natural law, the vital forces of the universe were personified, becoming the gods and goddesses of the ancient mythologies. While the ignorant multitudes brought their offerings to the altars of Priapus and Pan (deities representing the procreative energies), the wise recognized in these marble statues only symbolic concretions of great abstract truths.


    As all ancient Heathen nations had their mysteries or secret doctrines, which the priests carefully kept from the knowledge of the vulgar, and which they only communicated to a select number of persons whom they thought they could safely trust; and as the Jewish religion was anciently the same as the Persian, it will not be thought extraordinary, that, like the Persians, it should have its secret doctrines.

    Front this page http://www.mindserpent.com/American_.../epilogue.html

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    • Gavilan
      Senior Member
      • May 2012
      • 352

      #17
      Originally posted by george View Post

      edit: wow! someone has really put some time and effort into that site Gavlin! I'll be spending some hours there for sure.
      George, a treasure trove indeed!

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      • shikamaru
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2011
        • 1630

        #18
        Originally posted by Gavilan View Post
        I have been searching for a treatise on "representation" of people, things, etc.

        It seem that you must have the ability to think in the "abstract" to comprehend that people can be represented as well as things. Michael Joseph has made excellent points that you must have a fundamental comprehension of trusts, and how trusts are derived from relationships. I think that a to understand relationships, you must also have to be able to understand that you can have a relationship through an agent, and as a principal, that agent represents you.

        If you have any leads, please let me know.
        The terms 'fungible' and 'fungibility' may lend some clues in to understanding of representation.

        Voters, rights, duties, and obligations are all fungible.

        To represent someone could also be a party to an agreement or controversy.

        A few jural relationships to consider (the list below is not exhaustive):

        Principal - Agent
        Patron - Client
        Master - Slave
        Master - Servant
        Employee - Employer
        Principal - Surety
        Obligee - Obligor
        Mortgagee - Mortgagor
        Promisee - Promisor
        Beneficiary - Trustee
        Trustee - Trustor

        All the above have to do with obligations and duties which can be transferred.
        The parties are fungible. That which is fungible is capable of substitution, a placeholder. Substitution is a key element of representation.
        Last edited by shikamaru; 02-27-16, 09:56 PM.

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        • David Merrill
          Administrator
          • Mar 2011
          • 5955

          #19
          Originally posted by shikamaru View Post
          The terms 'fungible' and 'fungibility' may lend some clues in to understanding of representation.

          Voters, rights, duties, and obligations are all fungible.

          To represent someone could also be a party to an agreement or controversy.

          A couple party relationships to consider:

          Principal - Agent
          Patron - Client
          Master - Slave
          Master - Servant
          Employee - Employer
          Principal - Surety
          Obligee - Obligor
          Mortgagee - Mortgagor
          Promisor - Promisee

          All the above have to do with obligations and duties which can be transferred.
          The parties are fungible. That which is fungible is capable of substitution, a placeholder. Substitution is a key element of representation.
          Thank you! I enjoyed that.


          Urantia Book - State Development.
          Last edited by David Merrill; 02-27-16, 09:52 PM.
          www.lawfulmoneytrust.com
          www.bishopcastle.us
          www.bishopcastle.mobi

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          • shikamaru
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 1630

            #20
            Originally posted by David Merrill View Post
            Thank you! I enjoyed that.


            Urantia Book - State Development.
            I have to give credit to palani from another forum for the idea.



            From another treatise, not the one above, things include men, but men with rights are persons thus not things.
            Last edited by shikamaru; 02-27-16, 10:34 PM.

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            • shikamaru
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 1630

              #21


              Consider representation as the feigning of IDENTITY.

              Capital and Interest: A Critical History of Economical Theory
              Last edited by shikamaru; 02-27-16, 10:45 PM.

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              • shikamaru
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 1630

                #22
                With respect to representation, analyze the terms actor, actions, acts, and author.

                There is inter-relationship between the above and representation.

                He who acts for another.
                He who acts for himself.

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