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  • Gavilan
    Senior Member
    • May 2012
    • 352

    #1

    1 Samuel 8

    Israel Asks for a King - When Samuel grew old, he appointed his sons as Israel’s leaders. The name of his firstborn was Joel and the name of his second was Abijah, and they served at Beersheba. But his sons did not follow his ways. They turned aside after dishonest gain and accepted bribes and perverted justice. So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. They said to him, “You are old, and your sons do not follow your ways; now appoint a king to lead us, such as all the other nations have.”


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    10 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 but the Lord will not answer you in that day
    If the people asked for a king, and the LORD gave them what they wanted, how do we the descendants can go back to the LORD?
  • Michael Joseph
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 1596

    #2
    Originally posted by Gavilan View Post
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+8



    If the people asked for a king, and the LORD gave them what they wanted, how do we the descendants can go back to the LORD?
    By the means of which the Lord setup for the return of the people. He told Hosea - go marry a whore. Get it? Then name the son Jezreel - to sow and to gather - it has a double meaning! Get it?
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    • allodial
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      • May 2011
      • 2866

      #3
      Originally posted by Gavilan View Post
      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+8



      If the people asked for a king, and the LORD gave them what they wanted, how do we the descendants can go back to the LORD?
      The name Hosea is similar to or akin to Joshua and Isaiah. From what I gather, Hosea marrying a Harlot named Gomer was like being told to "experience what its like to deal with an apostate people": Marry a harlot, name the kids ruin, not my people, etc. The Gospel is said to amounts to the culmination of healing the breech. The answer you seek is evidenced in the NT and in the OT.

      When Jesus/Yeshua arrived on the scene, Israel was in exile for the most part. A split had occurred between Israel and Judah. If you look carefully, you might find that Apostles were sent to Israel (who was in exile) predominately because they were 'lost' at the time. Hosea's is said to have been writing or to have occurred around 753 BC. Around the time Rome was established.

      Perhaps you might find these links insightful:
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      • Michael Joseph
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        • Mar 2011
        • 1596

        #4
        Originally posted by allodial View Post
        The name Hosea is similar to or akin to Joshua and Isaiah. Hosea marrying a Harlot was like being told to "experience what its like" to deal with an apostate people: Marry a harlot, name the kids ruin, not my people, etc. The Gospel is said to amounts to the culmination of healing the breech. The answer you seek is evidenced in the NT and in the OT.
        When one studies carefully the intercourse between Rehoboam and Jeroboam we see that the folks to the north exercised a right of self determination - exiling from the Government - and by the way - their former agreement with the Ever Living. But notice their claim was acknowledged as the northern tribes setup a new government and a new religion. But notice in doing so they also broke their word. For they were informed of the terms of their contract and they all said - Yea, but we shall have a man-king - like all the other nations! Thusly Israel defaulted.

        Consider the inner kingdom as well for it is easy to point the finger at others, but hard to examine my own ego, pride and self-centeredness. I want what I want - but as St. Paul wrote - "I die daily". For what has Carnality to do with Spirituality? The scriptures declare an extreme hatred between the two as these two are pitted against each other in constant war. For St. Paul wrote "that which I think to do, I do not, and that which I know not to do, that I do". Is he double-minded, I think no. Rather, I think he describes within his body the same that we all experience. Which experience is the Carnal experience attempting to rule. Therefore we see in Israel they wanted a man-king just like all the other nations.

        Nations is the Key. We read that the nations are put to death - Carnal desires, thoughts, philosophies....etc. Was not Israel a Theocratic Republic? How to return to this style of government when all I can really effect is me? Answer: Start with Me. Turn and Return to the House of the Ever Living - turn and return to the Way of Life - the Way of Being. This of course will put you at immediate odds with the nation states and their philosophic views. But then again if you don't mind the sound of frogs - for at once when they drone on and on - the sound is replaced with "rib-bit....rib-bit".

        What can the lesser give to the greater? What do I have that is mine that does not belong to God? My choice? Of what power do I have to redeem myself to the Lender? No power at all. Therefore redeemed am I not of my own, but of Christ. Now the only question left is asked of Jesus. "Why call me Lord and do not obey?" For what good is knowing truth and not doing truth? For Jesus also said "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." Therefore have faith to obey and do and be set-apart and qodesh before the Ever Living. Do the Law of the Kingdom of God - be the humble servant. For that is the Way. For "Thy Law is a Lamp unto my feet." And we read from Jesus "If I don't wash your feet Peter, you shall have no part with me."
        The blessing is in the hand of the doer. Faith absent deeds is dead.

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