Money Order question

[Moxie]

The format of the USPS MO is like the linen on Treasury Paper. Before the "smart" advances people would bleach $1 bills and print them into $20 bills.

I wish only to do what is lawful.

[David Merrill]

Today I went to the post office and bought a postal money order for $1. Before the clerk gives it to me, she stamps it with a red stamp "NOT VALID OVER $50 DOLLARS". But here https://www.usps.com/shop/money-orders.htmit says my postal money order is good for up to $500.

How to enforce? Thanks!

PS -- yes hold their feet to the fire by showing them their own rules -- this is the first time I've seen them do this. Anyone have any insight about this? Thank you

I am not accusing. But it is nonsensical to buy a postal service money order for $1. At least to me. And I can understand how the Postmaster General would issue memorandum to red ink the MO so that it cannot be misused. I am on the emails from the OCC and occasionally there is a warning/alert about falsified MO's.

For further information buy a $5, $10 and $25 MO. Tell us if they get the same stamp as the $1 MO.

[Moxie]

I am not accusing. But it is nonsensical to buy a postal service money order for $1. At least to me. And I can understand how the Postmaster General would issue memorandum to red ink the MO so that it cannot be misused. I am on the emails from the OCC and occasionally there is a warning/alert about falsified MO's.

For further information buy a $5, $10 and $25 MO. Tell us if they get the same stamp as the $1 MO.

The $1 money order was an attempt to substitute in place of a $1 stamp since the Red Fox stamp has two slashes thru the dollar sign and they're a pain to get a hold of.

[george]

hi Moxie,

that is interesting.. years ago when i used ebay, i required postal MO for payment (i quit ebay when they required PayPal) back then I received some for over $1000.

next time i am at the PO i will ask about a max amount now.

The $1 money order was an attempt to substitute in place of a $1 stamp since the Red Fox stamp has two slashes thru the dollar sign and they're a pain to get a hold of.

is it still a red fox? why is it so hard to get? Ive read some prefer them on more serious contracts but a simple 2cent stamp should serve the same purpose, no? maybe not backed by gold though, if that is what the fox stamp actually is (so they say anyway)

How to enforce? Thanks!

PS -- yes hold their feet to the fire by showing them their own rules -- this is the first time I've seen them do this. Anyone have any insight about this? Thank you

I was reading some "Tax Percue" information recently that had some tips on post enforcement. a search on that term may be helpful.

[EZrhythm]

I have used 2 cent stamps for the purpose quite satisfactorily so I see no reason to acquire Red Fox stamps nor MO's for my paperworks. For other circumstances I have printed the State flag on the upper left corner also achieving satisfaction. ...Remembering that it isn't the stamps nor flag that "work", it is standing behind my paperworks that achieves satisfactions.

I - can - get - mo... sat-tis-fac-tion

[Moxie]

This is what I was trying to do with the money order:

Yes, this is slick move, have done it a few times myself. It is called a simple trust, another way to do it is create an agreement for performance, don't forget to put the serial # of a U.S. Postal Money order in it, send it with the U.S. Postal Money order, when it is accepted and then send you receipt or you can have a tracer done on it to prove it was cashed they now have agreed to the performance.

[Moxie]

is it still a red fox? why is it so hard to get? Ive read some prefer them on more serious contracts but a simple 2cent stamp should serve the same purpose, no? maybe not backed by gold though, if that is what the fox stamp actually is (so they say anyway)

I've heard to only use stamps which are lawful money, and the Red Fox is only on e-bay and I needed something quick, no time to wait for it to arrive. Figured a money order is the next best thing. Plus I could use my new Lawful Money ink stamper for the memo line.

[Moxie]

I have used 2 cent stamps for the purpose quite satisfactorily so I see no reason to acquire Red Fox stamps nor MO's for my paperworks. For other circumstances I have printed the State flag on the upper left corner also achieving satisfaction. ...Remembering that it isn't the stamps nor flag that "work", it is standing behind my paperworks that achieves satisfactions.

I - can - get - mo... sat-tis-fac-tion

I've seen different info about stamps as consideration. One is, if you sign thru the stamp, it makes you the postmaster of that document the stamp is on, and the court has no jurisdiction over that document. Backed by the UPU.

Then I've heard -- any stamp is fine on the back of a document.

Then I've heard -- don't sign thru the stamp on the back, the court will cancel those with their court stamper.

Then I've heard - -the 2 cent stamp is the original dejure stamp, so use that.


I can't get no satisfaction!

Yes, standing on your paperwork is key.

[george]

This is what I was trying to do with the money order:

OK, thats cool! what thread is that matla68 quote from? mis that guy.. enjoy triangulating stuff into my own methods from his and others variances in perspective.

[Moxie]

OK, thats cool! what thread is that matla68 quote from? mis that guy.. enjoy triangulating stuff into my own methods from his and others variances in perspective.

http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?365-Does-a-birth-certificate-create-a-trust/page2

[David Merrill]

I remember the Postmaster of the Document was cited in the Universal Postal Union constitution. I did a word search and found nothing though.

Those of you who redeem lawful money might understand that you have no power or authority to "deface" the private credit of the Fed. So the cancellation of the stamp - lawful money - is an expression of authority; like the postmaster has to cancel value in the same stamps. So it makes sense the citation. I have just never seen anything on it in the DMM (Domestic Mail Manual) or in the UPU docs.

http://www.upu.int/uploads/tx_sbdownloader/actInFourVolumesConstitutionManualEn.pdf