endorsing and SS.......a big question!

[Chex]

Consent of the Governed} as a fiduciary, unless the principal consents

[JohnnyCash]

The astute reader may notice Jesse has not indicated whether he himself is a "US Citizen," if he participates in Social Security, and if not, how he did it.

Nor does he explain how I can work making plenty of lawful money, then deposit that into a checking account started with the Social Security number the government sent me, and yet not pay a dime in Federal Income Tax, Social Security, nor Medicare tax, for the past four years.

[shikamaru]

And its voluntary to participate because in doing so you proclaim under penalty of perjury to being a 14th amendment federal "US citizen" having but a scant Bill of Right protections of the Constitution.
If they would have such a mandatory participation clause in the benefit Act it would be in violation of the US Constitution on many different levels.
Do you think they could force every American to participate if this mandatory participation labels you a second class citizen that has a little Bill of Rights?

The power to contract used against a registrant.

This fight against taxation boils down to "RIGHTS" not money!

I see it as another scheme of servitude predicated on benefits for duties.

[jesse james]

The astute reader may notice Jesse has not indicated whether he himself is a "US Citizen," if he participates in Social Security, and if not, how he did it.

Nor does he explain how I can work making plenty of lawful money, then deposit that into a checking account started with the Social Security number the government sent me, and yet not pay a dime in Federal Income Tax, Social Security, nor Medicare tax, for the past four years.

I'm sure if you had a shred of decency you'd tell them the truth that you control the reporting from your multiple bussinesses.
Fellow forum members JohnnyCash here basically pays himself and opts from reporting. He admitted to this on another forum.
I highly doubt Johnny you are even remotely successful as you say you are if you were paid from entity you had no control of reporting to the SSA.
Keep propping yourself up high and mighty Johnny as the fall, when it catches up, is just as mighty!
I outlined my success on that other forum quite nicely for you so stop bullshitting everyone here as if you are some sort of authority.
I relied on understanding fully how SS works and knew exactly what was needed to be done to secure my Rights of not participating which stopped all reporting and withholding.........................you know this Johnny very well!
So why the bullshit?

Also Johnny, thanks for showing proof with your SS statement that you are only successful because the SSA doesnt show any "income" reported.
You know damn well all IRS data comes from the SSA......................I shown you that regulation which you had no clue about!
No reported income means, or should mean, no retaliation from the IRS.
Lets hope no idiot data entry IRS goon audits your businesses and looks at you like they do drug dealers who also dont show any "income", but yet have large amounts of $$$ transactions in a bank account.
You think you are so smart, but yet your ego shows everyone here how stupid you are by showing these documents that most likely are gonna get you audited and caught.......unless of course you know how to defend yourself against DoJ which we discussed, or I tried discussing with you a while back, but with no avail.
Really should try to control your ego........its the same thing that brought down lucifer from a most highly earned position with the Father to being sentenced to be destroyed, as in will no longer exist, by the Father.

[David Merrill]

The astute reader may notice Jesse has not indicated whether he himself is a "US Citizen," if he participates in Social Security, and if not, how he did it.

Nor does he explain how I can work making plenty of lawful money, then deposit that into a checking account started with the Social Security number the government sent me, and yet not pay a dime in Federal Income Tax, Social Security, nor Medicare tax, for the past four years.

I like your link to the large transaction with the Redeemed stamp. Thank you for sharing.

[JohnnyCash]

You're welcome David.

To the quatloser (Minister of Perception):
HA! I imagine you behaving similar when you lost at checkers as a child. You're comical with the ranting, word-twisting & fearmongering. To put it another way, I don't believe you Jesse. You claim to have escaped Social Security participation but if so, you must not have explained it clearly; it doesn't stick with me.

Yes, I work for myself; been quite clear about that. Everyone has a right to work, trade and contract (or not) with whomever they wish. I prefer not to contract with clients who issue info reports that create the presumption of statutory INCOME, to the SSA. My lawful money in exchange for work is not statutory income. I think you're mistaken that ".. all IRS data comes from the SSA." You know that you can't establish a bank account without a SSN or TIN. This way any endorsed credit from the (private) Federal Reserve can be tracked. Will the account-holder use the public side or the private side? Will he/she be depositing money in "one of the new forms" that Congress & FDR hoodwinked the nation into?



As for bovine excrement, I'll let the reader determine who's spreading it. As for the DoJ/IRS, you've threatened me with a good time for what... 3 years now? Bring it on! I'm not afraid of you or the IRS; the law is on my side.
Yes the ego is powerful, and dangerous if not harnessed. I use mine to generate bitcoin

And you J, are running out of time. You must choose a side, there will be no neutral. Continue in your oppression, or join the pebblepeople in our dreams of freedom.

[jesse james]

You're welcome David.

To the quatloser (Minister of Perception):
HA! I imagine you behaving similar when you lost at checkers as a child. You're comical with the ranting, word-twisting & fearmongering. (You may think its fearmongering and word-twisting when logic and common sense are used) To put it another way, I don't believe you Jesse. (we all know this but you arent beleivable) You claim to have escaped Social Security participation but if so, you must not have explained it clearly; it doesn't stick with me. (it doesnt stick with you because you havent exercised logic and common sense with the issue)
Yes, I work for myself; been quite clear about that. (No, no you havent been clear about that. It took quite a few posts to get it out of you and yet you still parade yourself around as if you are successful, but the truth is, you are only successful because you control the reporting which isnt saying much about your CtC returns or Merrills premise) Everyone has a right to work, trade and contract (or not) with whomever they wish. I prefer not to contract with clients who issue info reports that create the presumption of statutory INCOME, to the SSA. ( See that wasnt hard to be honest and admit the truth that its the lack of reporting that has gotten you this far) My lawful money in exchange for work is not statutory income. ("income" is defined in the IRC which the 1# on that list is "services" from what ever source. Social Security defines "service" as the 3121(a) "wages" you get paid in respect to SS "employment". So if you are not being reporting to the SSA, like you having control of such reporting, then the IRS has nothing reported as "income" in their system of records. So you are premature to say you are successful. I think you're mistaken that ".. all IRS data comes from the SSA." (no I have not mistaken the regulation one bit................its a bonified black and white regulation. I think its you who doesnt want to see the truth of the regulation which you bury your head in the sand to. Remember me asking you numberous times to be honest with yourself?) You know that you can't establish a bank account without a SSN or TIN. (banks use the number for two reasons.........reporting interest and identification......thats it nothing else) This way any endorsed credit from the (private) Federal Reserve can be tracked. (only interest from an interest bearing account is tracked. Dont fool yourself!) Will the account-holder use the public side or the private side? Will he/she be depositing money in "one of the new forms" that Congress & FDR hoodwinked the nation into?



As for bovine excrement, I'll let the reader determine who's spreading it. As for the DoJ/IRS, you've threatened me with a good time for what... 3 years now? Bring it on! I'm not afraid of you or the IRS; the law is on my side. (you really are paranoid arent you.........I'm not who you would like me to be. I was the 28th person to register to losthorizons under "hippy". Some might remember me but most of the good thinkers and questioners have been banned from LH because to much information was coming to light that the CtC thesis was very much falling apart. Pete couldnt have that so he banned a lot of people who questioned him.)Yes the ego is powerful, and dangerous if not harnessed. I use mine to generate bitcoin

And you J, are running out of time. You must choose a side, there will be no neutral. Continue in your oppression, or join the pebblepeople in our dreams of freedom.

.............................

[JohnnyCash]

Thank you for admitting I've been successful jesse, and until you post some documentation I'll continue to assume you're still a bankster slave*. I read Cracking the Code in 2008 and learned the tax code was smoke & mirrors. The IRC doesn't say what it purports to say. The federal income tax is an excise on federal privilege. I then learned about our fraudulent monetary system. I discovered Planet Merrill and learned that one of the two capacities of our currency carries an obligation for a return of income - the income tax excise. I don't have a Social Security number yet I used the SSN mailed to me to establish a bank account; how can that be jesse? My bank knows full well how much money I transact, and it's a simple matter for DoJ/IRS to get it too. if I hadn't started redeeming lawful money pursuant to Title 12 USC 411, no doubt I'd be staring down Auntie IRiS' full arsenal of CP letters, SFRs, & liens by now. But I haven't. They got nothing. And you got nothing.

And you're wrong about income; gross income is defined in the IRC not income. "The general term "income" is not defined in the Internal Revenue Code" so says the US Supreme Court, US v. Ballard, 535 f2d 400, 404 (1976)

You're sunk J, washed up, lost. Your attempts to discredit me & muddy the waters have failed. Epic fail. And your sacred little tax scam is about to collapse along with the monetary system too. Did you think it was seamless? Did you think a handful of quatlosers could stem the rising tide of freedom? Our side has infiltrated yours. They walk among you. All will be revealed.

* technically, I'd say you're a bankster minion, since you work for the elite to enslave your own kin.

[Brian]

The federal income tax is an excise on federal privilege.

JC; would amending that statement to something along these lines fit "more better"?

At the time the money in question was earned was I performing a function of, or acting as an agent of, in a contract with, or being payed by the Government? What evidence do you have that I have acted in any of these capacities knowingly?

[JohnnyCash]

Assuming you meant the following, then Yes. That works too.

"At the time the lawful money in question was earned, I was not performing a function of, acting as agent of, in contract with, a Government agency...."

[JohnnyCash]

the Alice in Wonderland way to collect taxes

'smatter J? Lost your connection to Iowa? I was hoping you'd return for more humiliation.

And I wanted to address your suggestion that I'm only successful because of no SSA reporting. If this were true, it suggests a fairly easy route out of taxation. One could simply stop working for employers & clients that issue W2s and 1099s. In fact wouldn't employees flock to the first company that withheld no taxes and issued no W2s? Of course. But there is another avenue of reporting you're overlooking, and it's brought down many criminals when authorities couldn't find enough other evidence to convict. BANKS.

He doesn't have it exactly right but here's a little piece by George Mercier that helped me understand how BANKS fit into TAXATION:

So what happens during these Willful Failure to File trials is that:

1. The Intelligence Division of the IRS surveys the local banks in the vicinity of the tax protester, and obtains copies of the protester's signature card and financial transactions statements from the bank.

2. At the time the U.S. Attorney requests the Judge to sign the Summons, the Judge has been presented with your bank account information. So now during the prosecution the Federal Judge is sitting up there on the bench with your agreement with the King in front of him while the tax protester argues:

"Well, Judge, the Fourth Amendment says..."
"Judge, the Fifth Amendment says I don't gotta..."

Are you beginning to see why the Judge is prone to experience frustration and blurt out "the Constitution does not apply here!"?

Meanwhile, the Judge is ignoring all Constitutionally related arguments and denying all motions.

If you would go back to your bank and ask the manager to show you your signature card again, in small print you will see the words:

"The undersigned hereby agrees to abide by all of the Rules of this Bank."

Have you ever asked to see a copy of the bank rules? If you have, you will read and find out that you agreed to abide by all of the administrative rulings of the Secretary of the Treasury, among many other things.

What is really happening in these Willful Failure to File prosecutions is that the Judge is operating on the penal clause to a civil contract. And since you have agreed to be bound by Title 26, what difference does it make whether or not Title 26 was ever enacted by the Congress? A contract does not have to be enacted by Congress -- in whole or in part -- in order to make it enforceable.

As for the actual taxation itself, what happens is that the King creates a "juristic personality" at the time you open your bank account. And it is that juristic personality (its income and assets) that the King's Agents are "excising" back to the King. But in any event, the taxing power of the Congress attaches by contract or use of the King's property. The Congress does not have the jurisdiction to use the police powers to raise revenue.

That is the proper way (the ideal Alice in Wonderland way actually) to collect taxes, and that is the procedure by which Federal Judges are enforcing the law -- not by ruling over gestapo Star Chambers.
http://www.14th-amendment.com/Miscel...ge_Mercier.htm

As many NON-taxpayers have bank accounts, we now know it takes more than just having a bank account to create a liability. The law (and even the currency itself) makes a distinction between lawful money & legal tender. David Merrill & company have shown that difference matters when it comes to income tax liability. There must be a way around an excise, and the saving to suitors clause required that remedy be written into the Federal Reserve Act. And there it is in section 16 "They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at ... any Federal Reserve bank."

I redeem lawful money, J. That's what I deposit in the bank accounts I use. That's why I've been a successful NON-taxpayer for over four years. It's game over J. You've lost. Time for you to end the deception game & come clean.

[jesse james]

'smatter J? Lost your connection to Iowa? I was hoping you'd return for more humiliation.

And I wanted to address your suggestion that I'm only successful because of no SSA reporting. If this were true, it suggests a fairly easy route out of taxation. One could simply stop working for employers & clients that issue W2s and 1099s. In fact wouldn't employees flock to the first company that withheld no taxes and issued no W2s? Of course. But there is another avenue of reporting you're overlooking, and it's brought down many criminals when authorities couldn't find enough other evidence to convict. BANKS.

He doesn't have it exactly right but here's a little piece by George Mercier that helped me understand how BANKS fit into TAXATION:

As many NON-taxpayers have bank accounts, we now know it takes more than just having a bank account to create a liability. The law (and even the currency itself) makes a distinction between lawful money & legal tender. David Merrill & company have shown that difference matters when it comes to income tax liability. There must be a way around an excise, and the saving to suitors clause required that remedy be written into the Federal Reserve Act. And there it is in section 16 "They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at ... any Federal Reserve bank."

I redeem lawful money, J. That's what I deposit in the bank accounts I use. That's why I've been a successful NON-taxpayer for over four years. It's game over J. You've lost. Time for you to end the deception game & come clean.

Your logic is wrong.............you are only finding what you want to hear and taking it out of context to fit your excuse.
You'll find the excise thats the "privilege" at 26USC 3111. 3111 specifically tells you what the excise is and thats someone participating in Social Security whos earning 3121(a) "wages" in respect to 3121(b) "employment".

(a) Old-age, survivors, and disability insurance In addition to other taxes, there is hereby imposed on every employer an excise tax, with respect to having individuals in his employ, equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 3121(a)) paid by him with respect to employment (as defined in section 3121(b))

Use some logic!
Logic says if the employer is taxed an excise tax for having an employee earning 3121(a) "wages" in respect to 3121(b) "employment" then the act of participating in Social Security by the employee is an excise itself.
Before Social Security was enacted was working for someone an "excise". Since when was working for a living considered a "privilege"?

Section 16 of the reserve act has nothing at all to do with the imposition........we went over this with our discussion of you fitting the medical description of "delusional".
The imposition is located in the Social Security statutes then drips into chapter 24 under 3401(a) "wages" to clue the astute thinker in comprehending what going on.

[JohnnyCash]

HA! Very funny jesse. It seems you don't like to be shown you're wrong. You know, many here have far surpassed my four-year record of success against bankster theft. They're just not as "in-your-face" about it as I am. As you are the internet's most prolific supporter of misapplied taxation (under multiple usernames) I rather enjoy it.

Social Security is an optional tax. It's also a very bad investment. I no longer participate. I don't have a Social Security number. See here.

You've been shown to be a repeated liar, Jesse. To my thinking a psychopathic liar. All that remains is to identify which type: Identifying Different Psychopaths

[Binbokusai Yagyuu]

' There must be a way around an excise (tax).

How might You have come to that conclusion .... ???

I pay an Excise Tax to the Federal Gov't on say, Tires, and Alcohol ...
there is " no way around " ...

why would the taxation we are speaking of here be different ..??

bye the bye ..
I met George Mercier before his death
careful how much credence you give to his legal "opinions", as that is exactly what they were

George himself, was a borderline nut case
read some of his Court filings ..

[JohnnyCash]

Jay? posing as an Asian now? Yes, many items are excised. You can get around the liquor tax by brewing your own or befriending a winemaker. Smokers can grow tobacco or roll their own. Likewise, the elite bankers couldn't excise the currency and require everyone to use it. Legally, an option had to be allowed. Lawful money is your excise-free option out of central banking enslavement. Of course this currency scam wasn't setup overnight, it happened over time by slow degrees. And thanks for all the clues.

Quatloo - a fictional currency
Federal Reserve note - a fictional currency

And please continue. This thread is developing into a Planet Merrill for Dummies.