endorsing and SS.......a big question!

[stoneFree]

Oh this is rich. A new poser with zero credibility lecturing a group of nontaxpayers on the true nature of taxation. Jesse, I suggest you go back to your boss and ask for more help. You're seriously overmatched here, to the point of comedy. Granted you do make use of the whole bag of psycho-tricks, and may be the best liar the banking cartel has in their employ but, really, you can't handle the truth. All you can do is parrot back "no it isn't" like some Monty Python comedian. Your attempts to manage perception won't change reality. You keep bringing up private-credit-endorsing HENDRICKSON to denounce suitors. Suitors redeem lawful money Jesse, that's the key to our success.

But please continue Jesse, it's fun to watch you flail.

http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com

[EZrhythm]

EZrhythm,
Do you happen to have an example of an affidavit rebutting the presumptions for SS taxes that you could post?

Sure do!

I, ____________, affiant, am of sound mind and having achieved at least the age of 25 years deny that;
I have ever received any "income" as defined under UNITED STATES code, Title 26.
I am a willing participant in the UNITED STATES Social Security Administration's social security program.

Further affiant sayeth naught.

All Rights Reserved ___________________ (Great Seal)

____________________ State
____________________ County
Subscribed and sworn to (or affirmed ) before me on
this ____________ day of _____________, 20___ by
__________________________________________________ __, proved to me on the basis of satisfactory evidence to be the person who appeared before me.



Witness #1 _________________________
print name _________________________

Witness #2 _________________________
print name _________________________

Witness #3 _________________________
print name _________________________

[Record in the public such as in a newspaper for 30 days, county recorder, district court misc. case jacket, National Republic Registry , etc.
Serve certified copies.]

[motla68]

Thats because what you said doesnt address the imposition correctly

ok, lets address imposition. Such authority comes from a law or duty so what would that be ?

Before you try to play the card of receiving a SSN, let me throw this out to you:

5 USC 552A(a)
(13) the term “Federal personnel” means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components), individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits).

I am not a federal employee so now what? You will have to show me where I am some sort of statutory employee to perform a duty.

[jesse james]

ok, lets address imposition. Such authority comes from a law or duty so what would that be ?

Before you try to play the card of receiving a SSN, let me throw this out to you:

5 USC 552A(a)
(13) the term “Federal personnel” means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components), individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits).

I am not a federal employee so now what? You will have to show me where I am some sort of statutory employee to perform a duty.

Wow Motla68!
I'm simply amazed you cannot connect the dots. You sincerely need to be impartial to allow to see all the facts...........you really have to be honest with yourself. It was the hardest thing I did after being banned from losthorizons, but I wanted to know the truth!
I didnt like it but it was the truth.
Social Security is a retirement program of the Government of the United States. Social Security was enacted by Roosevelt. He acting as president of the US set up a panel that later became the SSA. Still today the SSA is a federal agency and therefor administering a government retirement.
If you ever look at a SS5 form (ssn application form) it is signed under penalty of perjury of being a "US citizen".
The courts know what "US citizens" are:

“...he was not a citizen of the United States, he was a citizen and voter of the State,...” “One may be a citizen of a State an yet not a citizen of the United States”.
McDonel v. The State, 90 Ind. 320 (1883)

“That there is a citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a state,...”
Tashiro v. Jordan, 201 Cal. 236 (1927)

"A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383 citizen of the United States survivors, and disability insurance
In addition to other taxes, there is hereby imposed on the income of every individual a tax equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 3121 (a)) received by him with respect to employment (as defined in section 3121 (b))—

See anything, motla68, simular in title 5 "federal personel"?

5 USC 552A(a)
(13) the term “Federal personnel” means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components), individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits).

Your duty as a "US citizen" is to be regulated and pay any taxes to receive the associated "privileges".
Also, when you see someone do a FOIA to get their records like you see alot of people in the patriot movement do they dont realize the records they wish to get come from Title 5............
You are only in the government record system because the SSA inputs the information.
Thank you for bringing title 5 to this thread.
Title 5 is where "employment" as defined for the Social Security Act originates from................if you didnt know.

Now if theres any doubt click this link which is from the SSA website linking to Title 5 itself. You even see 5USC 552A http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/comp2/D-USC-05.html

[motla68]

Wow Motla68!
I'm simply amazed you cannot connect the dots. You sincerely need to be impartial to allow to see all the facts...........you really have to be honest with yourself. It was the hardest thing I did after being banned from losthorizons, but I wanted to know the truth!
I didnt like it but it was the truth.
Social Security is a retirement program of the Government of the United States. Social Security was enacted by Roosevelt. He acting as president of the US set up a panel that later became the SSA. Still today the SSA is a federal agency and therefor administering a government retirement.
If you ever look at a SS5 form (ssn application form) it is signed under penalty of perjury of being a "US citizen".
The courts know what "US citizens" are:

“...he was not a citizen of the United States, he was a citizen and voter of the State,...” “One may be a citizen of a State an yet not a citizen of the United States”.
McDonel v. The State, 90 Ind. 320 (1883)

“That there is a citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a state,...”
Tashiro v. Jordan, 201 Cal. 236 (1927)

"A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383 citizen of the United States survivors, and disability insurance
In addition to other taxes, there is hereby imposed on the income of every individual a tax equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 3121 (a)) received by him with respect to employment (as defined in section 3121 (b))—

See anything, motla68, simular in title 5 "federal personel"?

5 USC 552A(a)
(13) the term “Federal personnel” means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components), individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits).

Your duty as a "US citizen" is to be regulated and pay any taxes to receive the associated "privileges".
Also, when you see someone do a FOIA to get their records like you see alot of people in the patriot movement do they dont realize the records they wish to get come from Title 5............
You are only in the government record system because the SSA inputs the information.
Thank you for bringing title 5 to this thread.
Title 5 is where "employment" as defined for the Social Security Act originates from................if you didnt know.

Now if theres any doubt click this link which is from the SSA website linking to Title 5 itself. You even see 5USC 552A http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/comp2/D-USC-05.html

person” and “whoever” include corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals"

True name never signed a SS5. True name never signed a oath of loyalty to be a citizen, Next?

[stoneFree]

It was the hardest thing I did after being banned from losthorizons, but I wanted to know the truth!

HA! That's bovine excrement & we all know it. You have no interest in the truth, if so you'd have taken a look at lawful money. You're a one-man chuckle factory Jesse.

But let's consider your premise. The SSA records on "JohnnyCash" show he spent several years participating in the SS scam, paying in over $34,000. And then in 2008 the Earnings Record shows he fell off the slave wagon. His SS earnings went to zero. Apparently he still earns income, having deposited over $115k lawful money into Peoples United three days ago, so we can't say he's poor. If he is still a US Citizen, does he owe SS taxes on that deposit or not? If so, how has Johnny been able to avoid the BIG BAD IRS and all it's penalties that you continue to scare us with?

And hey, how's that MFing Global takedown working out for your boss?

[jesse james]

HA! That's bovine excrement & we all know it. You have no interest in the truth, if so you'd have taken a look at lawful money. You're a one-man chuckle factory Jesse.

But let's consider your premise. The SSA records on "JohnnyCash" show he spent several years participating in the SS scam, paying in over $34,000. And then in 2008 the Earnings Record shows he fell off the slave wagon. His SS earnings went to zero. Apparently he still earns income, having deposited over $115k lawful money into Peoples United three days ago, so we can't say he's poor. If he is still a US Citizen, does he owe SS taxes on that deposit or not? If so, how has Johnny been able to avoid the BIG BAD IRS and all it's penalties that you continue to scare us with?

And hey, how's that MFing Global takedown working out for your boss?

You're put on ignore with this addy to Libra.

[jesse james]

person” and “whoever” include corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals"

True name never signed a SS5. True name never signed a oath of loyalty to be a citizen, Next?

Doesnt matter what you think. No different than hendricjkson thougfht either as he was wrong.
You are only taking this stance of remaining ignorant of facts because you had the employer terminate the W4. Redeeming lawful money was NOT the cause of your success......................you are in denial!
Besides where do you see the word "person" being used in Title 5?
Really!......................and what makes you think a definition of Title 1 holds any water to Title 5?

[motla68]

Doesnt matter what you think. No different than hendricjkson thougfht either as he was wrong.
You are only taking this stance of remaining ignorant of facts because you had the employer terminate the W4. Redeeming lawful money was NOT the cause of your success......................you are in denial!
Besides where do you see the word "person" being used in Title 5?

If you got something else, bring it. Your opinion is no better then mine, what works for you do not work for me. In my eyes statutes are color of law, non-enforceable without consent. If what people think in here don't matter then why you keep coming back?

[stoneFree]

You're put on ignore ...

HA! Hard to argue the truth eh? You've lost Jesse, you & your little fiat money scam too.

[jesse james]

If you got something else, bring it. Your opinion is no better then mine, what works for you do not work for me. In my eyes statutes are color of law, non-enforceable without consent. If what people think in here don't matter then why you keep coming back?

What you call my opinion is based on the law and operation of agencies. I dont give a hoot about you as you have the W4 terminated which is my whole premise which is based on fact, law and operation.
I give a hoot for those who take advice thats not fully thought out. You advise on redeeming lawful money will magically somehow erase the liabilty of those who still have reporting going on.
Lawful money will not help them when the collection hammer falls on them. Take my scenario of the truck being paid out right and the IRS seizing it because the redeeming didnt stop the employer from matching FICA which throws up red flags in the reporting system.
But you are just gonna ignore the hammer for those who receive the seizing hammer..........thats a real nice considerate fella you turned out to be.
And you will have no idea how to help them nor care!
You'll drop the ball and call it a conspiracy.................like it happens all the time.

[Life's-a-Psyop]

Sure do!

I, ____________, affiant, am of sound mind and having achieved at least the age of 25 years deny that;
I have ever received any "income" as defined under UNITED STATES code, Title 26.
I am a willing participant in the UNITED STATES Social Security Administration's social security program.

Further affiant sayeth naught.

All Rights Reserved ___________________ (Great Seal)

____________________ State
____________________ County
Subscribed and sworn to (or affirmed ) before me on
this ____________ day of _____________, 20___ by
__________________________________________________ __, proved to me on the basis of satisfactory evidence to be the person who appeared before me.



Witness #1 _________________________
print name _________________________

Witness #2 _________________________
print name _________________________

Witness #3 _________________________
print name _________________________

[Record in the public such as in a newspaper for 30 days, county recorder, district court misc. case jacket, National Republic Registry , etc.
Serve certified copies.]

Thank you, EZrhythm, you make it so EZ.

[motla68]

What you call my opinion is based on the law and operation of agencies. I dont give a hoot about you as you have the W4 terminated which is my whole premise which is based on fact, law and operation.
I give a hoot for those who take advice thats not fully thought out. You advise on redeeming lawful money will magically somehow erase the liabilty of those who still have reporting going on.
Lawful money will not help them when the collection hammer falls on them. Take my scenario of the truck being paid out right and the IRS seizing it because the redeeming didnt stop the employer from matching FICA which throws up red flags in the reporting system.
But you are just gonna ignore the hammer for those who receive the seizing hammer..........thats a real nice considerate fella you turned out to be.
And you will have no idea how to help them nor care!
You'll drop the ball and call it a conspiracy.................like it happens all the time.

oh ok like that makes a lot of sense? you do not give a hoot about people whose thoughts you cannot control, but you do give a hoot about people who you can control their thoughts.

There is no magic about lawful money, I have showed law and operation of agencies just as you have. Being that they are an agent of government, a department is not confined to one title or the other, if one title applies, they all apply. I showed you how title 31 makes reference to title 26, have also even seen people have success using title 15 with IRS.

The hammer falls down on us all eventually, that is just life. It is how you deal with it which makes you or breaks you. People do the work and actually study I am happy to answer questions, but people who come to me and say I have to go to court tomorrow what should I say, of course no cannot help someone like that. Nobody is immune from life's experiences, paid my dues through the learning experiences myself, even spent a day in jail once. You fight them you have to be prepared to suffer the consequences or get a competent attorney if such beast exists.

It is just ink on paper, it is not man. People got to open their mind to greater possibilities and get out of the bubble they live in of compartmentalized thought, expand the horizons. Bills are ink on paper, FRNS are ink on paper, receipts are ink on paper, what do they all have in common? They are all securities.
Male, female, young, old, black, white , olive , yellow people all have blood that runs red, yet everyone is so quick to sue everyone else and lose their mind over government paper ownership, one thing is for sure though, you cannot eat most of it.
When you accept that it is not always someone else's fault and face your own true liabilities you earn a little well deserved liberty in your life.

[stoneFree]

Perhaps it might help to look at the typical American small business from inception. Let's say you have a business idea to make the world a better place and make money too. You start a COMPANY, defined as a group of people working together as one for a common goal. You lease some space, hang a shingle, and hire 3 people to help. You have some questions on banking & payroll, Can I use my own bank account or start a new one? Should I do payroll in-house? How? You decide to ask for some help. Business consultant says you need to apply for a federal employer ID number (EIN). Your brother-in-law the tax preparer says you should start a new bank account using that EIN. Finally you confer with that attorney cousin who says your employees should sign Form W4. You think to yourself, are these optional or required? Invariably they all answer similarly: "Yes you havta. Everybody does it. It's just the way things are done!"

So you get an EIN, start a business bank account with it, and every employee signs a W4. You buy some bookkeeping software that calculates deductions based on the W4 info and pay everyone what the computer says. It deducts 3 federal items: Social Security & Medicare (employment taxes) and Fed Withholding (income tax). You then file the W4s away in a cabinet never to see the light of day again. You make regular payments of withheld deductions, plus company contributions of employment taxes, to the US Treasury. At years end you prepare Forms W2 for every employee and send a copy of each to the SSA attached to one Form W3 signed by you under penalty of perjury. These are the rules according to the so-called "experts" so you follow them.

What just happened? Did you bolt upright in the middle of the night saying: My God, what have I done?

to be continued.....

[motla68]

Perhaps it might help to look at the typical American small business from inception. Let's say you have a business idea to make the world a better place and make money too. You start a COMPANY, defined as a group of people working together as one for a common goal. You lease some space, hang a shingle, and hire 3 people to help. You have some questions on banking & payroll, Can I use my own bank account or start a new one? Should I do payroll in-house? How? You decide to ask for some help. Business consultant says you need to apply for a federal employer ID number (EIN). Your brother-in-law the tax preparer says you should start a new bank account using that EIN. Finally you confer with that attorney cousin who says your employees should sign Form W4. You think to yourself, are these optional or required? Invariably they all answer similarly: "Yes you havta. Everybody does it. It's just the way things are done!"

So you get an EIN, start a business bank account with it, and every employee signs a W4. You buy some bookkeeping software that calculates deductions based on the W4 info and pay everyone what the computer says. It deducts 3 federal items: Social Security & Medicare (employment taxes) and Fed Withholding (income tax). You then file the W4s away in a cabinet never to see the light of day again. You make regular payments of withheld deductions, plus company contributions of employment taxes, to the US Treasury. At years end you prepare Forms W2 for every employee and send a copy of each to the SSA attached to one Form W3 signed by you under penalty of perjury. These are the rules according to the so-called "experts" so you follow them.

What just happened? Did you bolt upright in the middle of the night saying: My God, what have I done?

to be continued.....

Why does there always have to be money involved, what about time banks and barter banks?
They call the game monopoly for a reason, the banker holds everything in possession, it all goes back to the box at the end of the day an returned to the owner(the house), put on the shelf for the next time someone needs to use it. A mistake can be corrected at any time, if we use a foreign instrument such as a SS card there is certain liabilities attached to it depending on how you are coming at it for use, are you acting as a beneficiary or are you acting as a Grantor or a trustee?

We do not own the currency, it does not have our stamp or signature on it, at the end of the day something has to be returned to the box to balance the books, if not currency then it needs to be receipts(copies). We do neither and that is why they come after people, that currency is a hot potato in some respects, if you do neither then you have to pay taxes. The only way out of that liability is not use their currency, not use their banks, good luck on that one.
If your intent is to use FRNS this is the automatic assumption because nobody ever showed a different intent otherwise, therefore one must pay rents, the currency is fictionalized for the privilege of doing third party business, this is banking interest that come out of your pocket of possession. However Lawful Money held by treasury for the benefit of all is simply stating that you have no intent to inflict pains and penalties upon your neighbor from profiting off of their backs and want to play more fairly. So lets play more fairly, return it all back to the box at the end of the day, then such services like I*R*S* will not be needed.

The Saskatchewan provincial charter up in Canada says within it: " Lawful Money of Canada has the same meaning as Lawful Money of the United States of America ".
I have sensed in the days of Thomas Jefferson he knew this was coming and is one of the reasons he quoted the following: " the earth is held in usufruct for the living ", do you suppose Lawful Money could be tied into this Usufruct somehow? I think it does, all done for the benefit and glory of God.

The Republic is tenement to the people, the artifacts are everywhere:

"When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every tenement and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old spiritual, "Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty, we are free at last."
- Martin Luther King

" have given you a Republic if you can keep it ".
- B. Franklin