Clarity please

[BAMAJiPS]

Did you get the signature card innovated as you wanted?

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for posting the example. I got the entire contract printed and am going to review it, but I sat there and stared at the signature card not seeing anything I could do to it to make it "my own". Thank you for the example so I now know what to do to make it "mine".

Im not stupid - but trying to overcome the conditioning and understanding that contract law allows amendments (on the spot) is proving to be a challenge. Again thank you for the example.

[BAMAJiPS]

Is it just me Johnny or, looking at your signature card, do illegal aliens have FAR more rights than we do as "citizens"? The more this simmers, the more blown away/angry I become

[JohnnyCash]

Not sure why you perceive aliens to have more rights than citizens, unless you're focusing on the bit about U.S. person.

[David Merrill]

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There are no silver bullets but getting your head clear of the conditioning is a great start toward better providence and will help you keep out of the mire when the gold is reinstated at $42.22/troy ounce. To everybody else, it will appear to be a "collapse".

(hopefully I quoted right) - I can only read so much in a day, and I am now cognizant of the need for a slow jog pace and maybe my questions will have to be answered only in due time... but I am curious... my head hasn't wrapped itself around this yet:

When we "demand lawful money" on all our incoming money to the bank, what happens when we "spend" that money? HOW do we "spend" it without US Notes in circulation? Do we spend it? If we have a bank account full of lawful money and we use our debit card - are we spending lawful money or spending debts (FRN's)?

As David said, "when" the dollar is put back on the gold standard (and I heard that for the longest time), does that mean if I have a modest bank account stocked with LAWFUL money, that my bank account will read almost 40:1 what someones bank account will read with all FRN's? (I base this on two assumptions - Gold at $1600/oz FRN and gold at $40/oz USNotes [without looking up actual spot prices])
I am assuming that a lawful note is worth (roughly) 40:1 vs the FRN (POTENTIALLY)?
Maybe I need to ask these in a new thread, or maybe they tie into my initial question - I don't know. Please bare with me. I have learned an immense amount in just over a week. I doubt I will ever use an attorney again except maybe for review opinion. I am just having trouble wrapping my head around how we can "spend" lawful money, rather than just acquire it. (Almost all google searches referencing "lawful money" redirect to suitors club)

Thanks guys

There are discrepancies by Congress that blockade logic and reason. Of course you would have to spend a few days here alone to cover everything but I have written about changing United States notes to United States currency notesthe Senate Report from 1976. I suggested that he sell me an ounce coin for $42.22/troy ounce and then I go sell that for Spot at the next coin shop, then come back and buy up two or three more ounces at $42.22. He wanted me to try that out at a different coin shop of course. [That is exactly what buying and selling the dollar domestic and foreign was that caused the Amendments to the Bretton Woods Agreements in 1976!]

[JohnnyCash]

There are no silver bullets but ... I have found Led to have greater power anyway.

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now,
It's just a sprinkling for the Bake queen.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on.
And it makes me wonder.

[Chex]

I will never listen to this song the same way I ever did before. Thanks JC.

[BAMAJiPS]

My small regional bank's CFO just called me. He is investigating the situation. He says he will be discussing it with council and seeing how they ammend the signature card or even account for it. He says in his 20 years he has never heard of such a thing, but says it doesnt suprise him with the looming "fiscal cliff". He was very intrigued about the idea so I encouraged him to study it.

My only fear is that as I educate more people, they use this technique and when the bank realizes this reduces their lending capacity, they may hike fees or try to find some creative solutions to combat it.

It's pretty damn empowering when you rattle off "Title 12 USC section 411" and the CFO of a corporation is on the other end typing it in and says "Oh, there it is, sure as you're born. Wow."

If they use the "we aren't a reserve bank" then I will point them to David's wonderful video notation that FRN's are ONLY for federal reserve banks and since I have them I am indeed a Federal Reserve Bank as is my local bank!

Knowledge is power! I am very thankful for you guys!

[David Merrill]

My small regional bank's CFO just called me. He is investigating the situation. He says he will be discussing it with council and seeing how they ammend the signature card or even account for it. He says in his 20 years he has never heard of such a thing, but says it doesnt suprise him with the looming "fiscal cliff". He was very intrigued about the idea so I encouraged him to study it.

My only fear is that as I educate more people, they use this technique and when the bank realizes this reduces their lending capacity, they may hike fees or try to find some creative solutions to combat it.

It's pretty damn empowering when you rattle off "Title 12 USC section 411" and the CFO of a corporation is on the other end typing it in and says "Oh, there it is, sure as you're born. Wow."

If they use the "we aren't a reserve bank" then I will point them to David's wonderful video notation that FRN's are ONLY for federal reserve banks and since I have them I am indeed a Federal Reserve Bank as is my local bank!

Knowledge is power! I am very thankful for you guys!

It is exciting as well to watch your experience. Thank you for sharing. I am wondering, did you actually submit your signature card yet?

If so, did you remember to get a copy?

[BAMAJiPS]

My local branch was very receptive and actually encouraging of what I am attempting to do. I went BACK today to try to amend my signature card after reviewing it monday without seeing anywhere to "check a box" or write it in. Although they were enthusiastic, they balked when I wanted to actually write on my signature card and thought it best to contact the upper management on "how" to do it - because, to their credit, they were worried that that piece of paper would just sit in a file folder in their office and not be credited properly in the bank's ledger. I had every intention of documenting what I was going to do with my signature card, but nothing happened and they wanted to see how to make it stick with the legal dept so it was binding. As soon as I sign, noted, alter, any documents I will certainly photo and provide updates!

WAIT A MINUTE!!! No way! NO WAY!!! How coincidental is this??? I remarked on how much you sound like Jesse James from West Coast Choppers and Austin Speed Shop and LOOK! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Tracy

David Merrill was Jesse James' cohort! Have I uncovered another secret??

[BAMAJiPS]

Oh I misread that - Harry Tracy was compared to Jesse James in the story. Grrr (Im reading way way too much this past week)

[David Merrill]

Harry TRACY and David MERRILL made an escape from prison together, so I guess they were cohorts for a little while...

[BAMAJiPS]

Bank CFO just called me back. He still thinks its an interesting idea and conveyed that he was going to research it more on a personal level, but said that legal council had come back with supreme court rulings that FRN's were indeed termed "lawful money" and that the original 1913 act was amended in 1933, so he went on to say there's just nothing they can do.

I have been trying to absorb the supreme court cases and, as pointed out in the Remedy video, men in black robes say the FRN is legal TENDER. I've read US v Rickman, Milam, appellant v us and a few others - and I can't use any of these things to advance my case. In bureaucrat circles I suppose legal tender is synonymous with lawful money and they dont want to deal with it.

It leads me to ask the question - in the banks that DO accept "Demand lawful money pursuant to Title 12 USC s411", do they actually ledger the books differently? I say they have to - they can't fractional lend on that money right? On the other side of the coin, is this all just an exercise of us doing our due diligence and keeping our own records in a passive manner for us to claim to have gotten lawful money in any actions down the road?

Either way, I'm discouraged. Time to watch the video AGAIN and then study more on saving to suitors clause... Im not sure I understand all that's entailed there --- had to read Black's Law on what "In Rem" was, so it makes me wonder...

[BAMAJiPS]

What more can I do? #Frustrated

[BAMAJiPS]

I have interesting news today. I deposited a check, my first attempt, and when I did so I did notendorse it . I placed on the back "demand lawful money ( US note) as per Title 12 USC S 411" then I signed James Paul DBA James Paul Fexxxxxxx and as an added layer under that I added "UCC 1-308 without pejudice"

The girl at the drive through didn't skip a beat and asked if there was anything se she could do for me.
I checked my account via iPhone app and saw something - it was coded different than any other deposit I've ever seen!!! Instead of being labeled "deposit" it was coded "BY 31 1196". This after all the runaround from the CFO! Ill post pictures tonight when I get home.

I wonder if ill get another phone call!!

I'm James Paul by the way guys. It's been a pleasure [slowly] learning from you guys.

[Michael Joseph]

I have interesting news today. I deposited a check, my first attempt, and when I did so I did notendorse it . I placed on the back "demand lawful money ( US note) as per Title 12 USC S 411" then I signed James Paul DBA James Paul Fexxxxxxx and as an added layer under that I added "UCC 1-308 without pejudice"

The girl at the drive through didn't skip a beat and asked if there was anything se she could do for me.
I checked my account via iPhone app and saw something - it was coded different than any other deposit I've ever seen!!! Instead of being labeled "deposit" it was coded "BY 31 1196". This after all the runaround from the CFO! Ill post pictures tonight when I get home.

I wonder if ill get another phone call!!

I'm James Paul by the way guys. It's been a pleasure [slowly] learning from you guys.

Hello James Paul,

In my estimate, the FRN is a dual capacity note. So I will say it like this: There are TWO seals on said note and two signatories. So then both the USN and the FRN are legal tender and Both are LAWFUL TO USE but only one is Lawful Money OF the United States. Just like there can be two children in a room from two different families and one child is OF his daddy and another child is OF his daddy.

So then any slick is going to just say you got lawful money - but that is obfuscation in that a FRN is lawful to USE but is NOT lawful money OF the United States.

As I said this is my opinion.

Shalom,
MJ